Destiny’s scores could cost Bungie money

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Destiny is out, and is not the runaway success everyone – most notably Bungie and Activision – thought it would be. While it’s selling like digital hotcakes, it’s not a critical success, with reviews scores ranging from a far-too-high 96, to a far-too-low 50; the middle out somewhere around 76. The fact that it’s not a media darling may cost Bungie a heap of cash.

Remember when it was discovered that Fallout: New Vegas developer Obsidian lost out on a substantial cash bonus because the game just failed to hit 85 on Metacritic? It seems a similar sort of agreement was in place for Destiny.

According to Kotaku, who dug up old documents relating to the rather acrimonious split between Activision and then heads of Infinity Ward, Jason West and Vince Zampella, Bungie would have received a $2.5 million bonus based on the game’s critical performance.

Activision shall pay to Licensor a quality bonus (the “Quality Bonus”) in the amount of Two Million Five Hundred Thousand Dollars ($2,500,000) should Destiny Game #1 achieve a rating of at least 90 as determined by gamerankings.com (or equivalent reputable services if gamerankings.com is no longer in service) as of thirty (30) days following the commercial release of Destiny Game #1 on Xbox 360.

Should the game have received a rating of at least 90 on GameRankings or similar  “within 30 days of release on Xbox 360,” they’d have been privy to a lump sum. With the game’s current 76.03% on GameRankings, and a 76 on Metacritic, that pay-out is looking rather unlikely.

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Of course, as Kotaku notes, this was a rather old agreement, and may rightfully no longer be in place. Destiny is, of course, a tricky thing to review; It’s a shooter wrapped up in the trappings of an  MMO that requires quite a bit of time to play through to grasp – meaning at least a handful of those reviews shouldn’t be applicable. I think at the very least, a responsible reviewer would have hit the endgame content before committing a review to digital paper.

It sucks for Bungie if this agreement is still in place and was not amended to be one based on sales. Of course, that’s not to say that critics should feel bad about it; it’s their job to critique things, and not their responsibility to make sure devs get paid.

Last Updated: September 17, 2014

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Geoffrey Tim

Editor. I’m old, grumpy and more than just a little cynical. One day, I found myself in possession of a NES, and a copy of Super Mario Bros 3. It was that game that made me realise that games were more than just toys to idly while away time – they were capable of being masterpieces. I’m here now, looking for more of those masterpieces.

  • TGS Babay (Umar)

    Not a fan of the way things are going at this point in time. Seems you can’t like/dislike or even have an opinion of a game without being biased or a fanboy or even…bought out by big publishers…Seems to be a lot of hate out there for reviewers though which is completely wrong 🙁 ….. I’ve personally always looked up to reviewers since reading gaming mags back in the day…You obviously do get the idiots that really put out kak reviews with nonsensical reasoning for certain scores(high or low), but still…..Its a freaking job though…and a lot of reviewers put a fuck ton of effort into reviewing a game…..Anyway….errr…..Rant over

    • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

      Agreed. But I agree with the sentiment that reviewers ought to (at the very least) hit the endgame before committing a review to the interwebz. If it takes a developer x amount of hours to produce said game (with x amount of dollars), it would be unfair to critically access said title in 2.5 hours of running game time. Which is what some (not all) reviewers do. User reviews are even more guilty of this, but of course they aren’t professionals (as you pointed out).

      • Kromas of City17

        Depends on the game. You can finish any CoD in less time time than that and you need less characters than a twitter post to review it. 😛

      • JJ the Reus

        I often prefer user reviews to some of the other big reviewers like Metacritic since I’ve too many times been proved that their reviews tend to be biased.

        • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

          And fair enough. Sometimes a user with 1, 753 hours will have insight that a game reviewer might not have caught. And these reviews are super helpful. But we’ve all seen how user reviews tend to be biased as well (if a Developer doesn’t do something – everyone trolls with a 0 and the game is stuck with a score of 15 for all eternity). Or after 2.5 hours a user provides us with all the insight we need “game is shit. Uninstall.”

          Ty, denizen of the interwebz. Ty.

          • Admiral Chief Assassin

            Agreed, if you have only played 1-2 hrs of game, I tend to think less of your opinion than the one of the guy who put in a solid 10-20hrs

          • JJ the Reus

            Yes. True. I know I’m biased. But i think the difference is that lots of times the reviewers aren’t followers of the series of a game so to them it’s just another game. Also, I believe many of them are influenced by “gifts”. Since there are times when their scores make no sense.

          • Admiral Chief Assassin

            So if I tell you FTL and TWA is frikkin awesome, you would not believe me?

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            FTL is awful. Game Time: 0.1 hours.

            I’m right about this. Trust me.

          • Admiral Chief Assassin

            Hahaha, NO SPACE FOR YOU!!!!

            FFS, I should not have talked about FTL….I feel that damn addiction kicking up again!

          • JJ the Reus

            I got spacebase. Maybe I should try it out today.

          • Admiral Chief Assassin

            Spacebase? Tell me MOAR

          • JJ the Reus

            Still early access, but check it out on the Tube of You

          • Admiral Chief Assassin

            I saw, turn based?

          • JJ the Reus

            Don’t think so

          • JJ the Reus

            Well FTL is pure awesomeness and I bought it on your recommendation. So that proves my point 😉

          • Admiral Chief Assassin

            😀

            I wonder what the budget for that gem was?

          • JJ the Reus

            Lots of pizza and beer. It’s the only way they could make it so cool.

      • TGS Babay (Umar)

        Very true, I absolutely agree they have to play the game long enough/get to the end to properly review it. This is a creed by many of the reviewers I follow and those are the people I respect. Whether or not they like it , has nothing to do with anything. It is afterall, their assessment of the game and at the end of the day we might like what they hate or vice versa and this gives no one the right to really shit on a review for not liking/hating a game you like/hate. Its all about fairness as you put it. Developers put a ton of time into a game, and as a reviewer, it is the ethical thing to do to at least return the sentiment by putting the time into play and reviewing the game(while remaining critical)

    • Hammersteyn

      Have you ever reviewed a game and give it a bad score? Which ones were they?

      • Admiral Chief Assassin

        Probably some silly weird game 😛

      • TGS Babay (Umar)

        PS Vita Pets lol I’m not into rubbing virtual pets to please them

        • Anon A Mouse

          Rubbing and please in the same sentence. O.o

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          Until you find out one is an octopus right?

          • Kromas of City17

            Ah hell. You really went there didn’t you. 😛

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            I don’t know why it always has to be me, but it’s a burden I bear willingly 😀

          • Kromas of City17

            He is the Chosen One!

            I shall bring you …


            A SHRUBBERY!

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            lollllllll

      • Ohhhh, no. Never a bad score as LG asks him to review JRPS and he loves them more than the colour pink *RUNS

        • Hammersteyn

          Bwahaha!

    • Sir Rants A Lot: On Pandora

      The thing that most people don’t seem to understand is that, good or bad, a reviewers game review is always what they experienced. Just because you experience it different to the reviewer doesn’t mean the reviewer is wrong. If they thoroughly enjoyed it and gave it a 9/10 instead of the normal 6/10 that others give, then they really enjoyed it because guess what: They are human and experience everything differently.

      It’s why I generally try not to hate on any reviewer who’s review is different to the norm at the time. I will call them out if they give a glowing 10/10 review with no reason. But if they give a bad game a 10/10 with valid reasons and an in-depth review of HOW they got to that score, I will respect it because that is their view and experience of it

      • TGS Babay (Umar)

        EXACTLY THIS!!….Its their butts man….People get butthurt very quickly

        • Sir Rants A Lot: On Pandora

          huehuehue

      • Kromas of City17

        All reviews are valid from a certain point of view.. From a certain point of view.

        Obi Wan teaches you things!

        • Sir Rants A Lot: On Pandora

          Lol

        • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

          Careful.. we’ve got a cultural game relativist over here…

          😛

          • Sir Rants A Lot: On Pandora

            That post gave me a headache 0_o

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            Me too. 🙁

          • Kromas of City17

            There is no emotion, there is peace.
            There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
            There is no passion, there is serenity.
            There is no chaos, there is harmony.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Sounds boring, needs MOAR FIRE! BURN IT ALL!

          • Kromas of City17

            I think that is the Sith Mantra. 😛

          • Admiral Chief Assassin

            Awwwwww jissssss

  • Kromas of City17

    Overhype is Overhype. Thank the maker Dragon Age and The Witcher is not overhy….. oh crap.

    Start praying now people!

    • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

      The Witcher is overhyped because the last two games were friggin AWESOME. Dragon Age is overhyped because the first one was good and the second one was so shit, that shit teleported to Mars to get away from it. So a certain company has poured a ton of revenue into marketing the third game….

      I have hope for the Witcher!

      • Kromas of City17

        I think it is a matter of opinion what is better..Personally Dragon Age Origins is way better than Witcher 1. Witcher 2 however beats DA2 by far.

      • Her Highness the Hipster

        i LOVE what i’ve seen of Dragon Age: Inquisition thus far. my pre-order is in because I’m fairly confident that I will adore the game. Not saying it will be perfect, but will certainly keep me happy for many many hours.

        • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

          Hahaha. I know you do. And your constant support for the game is the only thing keeping it on my radar. But I will not preorder a Dragon Age game after the second one… I will not take that risk. 😛

          • Spaffy

            Same, these days it’s pointless to pre-order anything, you are only setting yourself up for disappointment

          • Admiral Chief Assassin

            I disagree, I like to pre-order my pizza so that I don’t have to wait for it when I go pick it up

          • JJ the Reus

            Your wisdom knows no bounds

          • Admiral Chief Assassin

            Just call me Admiral Chief of No Bounds

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            Where do you live? Cause I just order my pizza. If you pre order your pizza, do you have to wait longer for them to source the pizza base code from somewhere exotic in order for it to be fresh on release day?

          • Admiral Chief Assassin

            Indeed, source code is downloaded and a digital masterpiece is replicated before your very eyes!

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            WAIT – IT’S NOT EVEN A REAL PIZZA?!?

            You poor poor bastard…

          • Admiral Chief Assassin

            What constitutes a REAL pizza then? Surely most “franchises” out there make silly fake pizzas

          • HvR

            Apparently “real” pizza is very disappointing. Dough with fresh Italian tomatoes and crap load of herbs.

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            Pizza must contain God Molecules.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            You mean garlic right?

          • Kromas of City17

            Depends on the cool Collectors Editions stuff you get with. 😛

          • Spaffy

            Yea, like my Witcher medallion 🙂

          • Kromas of City17

            Does that come in the R3000 CE?

          • Spaffy

            It does.
            R3000… 0_0

          • Kromas of City17

            Pre-Ordered mine already yay. Mostly wanted the statue did not know about the medalion.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            I’ve seen the medallion, it’s cool as hell & that statue! I preordered the first chance I got, it’s my birthday & xmas pressie all rolled into one.

        • Admiral Chief Assassin

          I hope you are correct

        • TGS Babay (Umar)

          People tend to forget…gaming media peeps are humans too….You get excited for games too LIKE every other fucking gamer…But if you’re excited for something then suddenly the gaming media is overhyping a game, sellouts, bought out by companies…What a weird time we live

          • JJ the Reus

            Exactly. Almost everyone at Lagz are people too.

          • Admiral Chief Assassin

            BIRTHDAY BOY!!!

          • TGS Babay (Umar)

            Go SHAWTY

          • Admiral Chief Assassin

            You know what is strange, you KNOW each year what your birth day falls upon….but every year you pass your death day and YOU HAVE NO IDEA…

          • JJ the Reus

            O_O

          • Spaffy

            Is this you? (refresh)

          • Admiral Chief Assassin

            Not even close

          • Spaffy

            Darn.

          • TGS Babay (Umar)

            DEATH DAY???……

          • HvR

            RSVP please
            For the death of JJ
            He has little time
            And he is running out of life
            Happy Birthday JJ
            YOU ARE GONNA DIE!!!!!!

          • 0_O

          • HvR

            Happy Birthday Dethday!!!!!!

          • JJ the Reus

            Thanks. I’ll be sure to remind you all how I’m chilling at home.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            You could… but I remember where you live…

          • JJ the Reus

            Since you stole those UAV’s I can’t enjoy anything anymore.

          • Admiral Chief Assassin

            Grab a kettie!

          • TGS Babay (Umar)

            ITS YOUR BIRTHDAY????HAPPY ANOTHER YEAR OF EXISTENCE DAY!!

          • JJ the Reus

            Haha. Thanks. I’m still lying in bed

          • Hammersteyn

            Lazy bastard. congrats by the way 😀

          • JJ the Reus

            Now…which game shall I start now?

          • Hammersteyn

            GAAAAAAAAAAH!!!

          • TGS Babay (Umar)

            Best way to spend a bday

          • Good man!

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Happy Birthday! I decree you may stay home for a day, but tomorrow it’s back to the salt mines.

          • JJ the Reus

            Haha. Took the rest of the week actually, my dear Emperor. 😉

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            I get my salt from the Karoo. I’m told that indigenous fauna to the region uncover it with salt snouts crafted by evolutionary forces over millions of years – just for this very reason.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Until the fracking starts, then no more salt for you.

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            Or frackers uncover ancient salt mines used by Dwarves from outer space. And this salt is the TASTIEST salt on all Pandora!

          • A WHOLE day?!

        • Kromas of City17

          Can’t say I love you for posting all the DA stuff. I am trying to turn a blind eye to all the hype but you keep pressing it in my face and every time I wanna cry.It is like Disney shoving the new Star Wars cartoon in my face. I know I am gonna watch it but every trailer and/or reveal makes me want to skip time forward to 18 October.

        • Sir Rants A Lot: On Pandora

          I wish you would stop posting DA:I stuff. It’s breaking my resolve for not wanting to support the company who shall not be named

          • Kromas of City17

            I actually got over my dislike for EA. My hate is now directed towards Ubisoft almost exclusively.

            Then again I don’t play Sims and BF is finally fixed.Also their support services are quite decent.

          • Sir Rants A Lot: On Pandora

            I still can’t bring myself to like EA. I just don’t agree with their business structure and their insistence on doing microtransactions and always online and then being told to “Just get with the times”

          • Kromas of City17

            Hey at least they decided to not jump on the ea game.

            Hehe EA is not doing ea.

            Also with the change in company culture they are going through at this time let us see what happens.

          • Sir Rants A Lot: On Pandora

            Change? HA!

            As I said in my post yesterday:

            ” establish a player-first culture in the company: Ok so the apparent “what the player wants” (always online)

            build a digital relationship with customers: Read Microtransactions

            eliminate silos within the company: So layoffs to downsize and make one dev team to do all the work? “

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            Change takes time. You can’t fix a company the size of EA in twenty weeks.

          • JJ the Reus

            But you can burn it down in one week ;P

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            There have been a recent spate of bombings in CPT recently… is this YOUR work?

          • JJ the Reus

            I will not confirm this. I will not deny it either.
            Nah. Seems silly if it’s not for a noble cause like gaming.

          • Sir Rants A Lot: On Pandora
          • I’m outta here!

          • Kromas of City17

            Let us examine these statements and what I believe they are trying.

            ” establish a player-first culture in the company: Ok so the apparent “what the player wants” – Always online is sorta the way we are heading so I don’t completely blame them for thinking that way but that aside. Did you know they are adding grappling hooks for rappeling down buildings in BF:Hardline cause they asked the players what they wanted and this came up as the most wanted utility item?

            “build a digital relationship with customers” – Free games (okay a bit crappy games but still) and also the only distro to have a return policy

            “eliminate silos within the company: So layoffs to downsize and make one dev team to do all the work? ” – This has been discussed. What they did was create a team to design the engine that will be used by all other business units. Thus we get the benefit from shorter dev times and better looking games with less devs needed per BU.

            Okay time to stop. I like their games but I don’t like the company enough to defend them to that extent. I believe that they are trying to come back but only time will tell.

          • Sir Rants A Lot: On Pandora

            My post was a bit “satirical” in being super focused on the bad and disregarding the other things they have done. It was just a joke lol 🙂 But yes, you do have valid points and yes I do see EA at least trying.

            The point is that they need to get rid of some of their previous beliefs before they can truly move forward

          • Kromas of City17

            Indeed. Dragon Age might be the pivotal point in seeing if they are truly trying or not.

          • Sir Rants A Lot: On Pandora

            Indeed

          • JJ the Reus

            Yes. You cannot not mention not EA

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      DON’T JINX IT! You can keep talking about DA though 😉

      • JJ the Reus

        LOL

      • HvR

        LOL, think both reached over-hyped status 2 game conferences ago.

  • Spaffy

    I’m so disappointed in the scores Destiny has been racking up. I couldn’t wait for this game to release on pc, now? Another Watchdogs?
    It would appear my expectations are too high these days, where some indy games are just so much better than AAA games.
    I hope this is just a phase, as there are still a few AAA games on the horizon, and I really need something to look forward too.
    Witcher and Far Cry, please don’t disappoint

    • JJ the Reus

      I haven’t been hyped up at all for FarCry, but I have no doubt that it’s going to be great.

      • HvR

        How can you not get hyped, its got All Terrain Front-line Assault Elephants!!!!!

        • Kromas of City17

          No shark with frikkin lazors on their heads. I am disappoint.

          • HvR

            Sharks and lazors is so FC3.

            Now if they would only allow the player to catch squirrels, duct tape grenades to their furry asses and chase then into enemy bases.

          • Kromas of City17

            That is so (insert movie with strings of fate and Angeline Jolie. can’t remember name.) 😛

    • Hammersteyn

      Look the score really isn’t relevant here I believe. I think most reviewers just played the story and a little PVP and boom they were done with the game, last night I joined five other guys in a PVP match in a party and it was fun. Can’t believe I’m saying this. Plus I still have this feeling that even though the story is done, the game is only just beginning.

      • Spaffy

        I hope so. And seeing I haven’t bought the PS4 (yet) I have to wait for the pc version, so I have time to see how Destiny plays out

    • Jonah Cash

      The game isn’t as bad as the reviews says!! Sure there is holes as big as Kimberley’s in there but the game play is awesome!! And I am still finding new places to go and explore after 50+ hours in…. I really like the game, it is just FUN…

  • Ryanza

    If Bungie just created a single player shooting game that told a good story over 10+ hours of gameplay, with added multiplayer, then Bungie would have had a chance at meeting Bungie’s fans expectations. But instead Bungie created a lack luster game that revolves around always online DRM that repeats itself from get go. Not what fans were expecting.

    Just for reference. The Last of Us scored 95 on Metacritic and 9.1 from users.

    anyway these type of agreements are meant for when Activision and others know that the game won’t get high scores and don’t have to pay bonuses.

    • JuJu

      Ryan not everyone wants to play your style of game, just an observation. Obviously “all” developers aren’t to interested in it either. Its great to have the variety on offer, so games can cater for many needs and wants. Just spent over 12 hours in the story mode of Destiny and for me its been a blast and seems I’ve just scratched the surface. But hey maybe my bar isn’t set that high …..

      Hey just for reference Bioshock: Infinite scored 94 on Metacritic and didn’t sell well Globally? Brilliant Story and Amazing game …. what happened?

      • Kromas of City17

        It was not CoD.

      • Ryanza

        I get that you like Destiny and want to defend it and read good things about it. But Destiny is not my type of game, Theme Hospital, even though I love shooting shit in games. Destiny gets the shooting right and everything else wrong. That’s why I am waiting for Cyberpunk 2077.

        Bioshock Infinite was not a brilliant story nor an a amazing game. Bioshock Infinite was just like the opposite of what Bioshock 1 was, which was a good game. Bioshock 1 is like a classic, makes people want to reply it as time goes on. Bioshock Infinite worth 1 playthrough at least to the people who bought it, which doesn’t entice those who didn’t buy into it. Were they not saying that Bioshock Infinite will sell 200 million.

        • Ryanza

          There is a difference between good to try out, good to play through once and good to play the rest of your life.

          Destiny falls into the category of good to try out.

        • JuJu

          So why did you mention Ratings then? Bioshock achieved 94/100 on Metacritic and and 8.4 user score….. surely its good by your definition?

          Destiny for you falls into the category of, “good” to try out”, fortunately you don’t speak for me. Now we are getting to the point, often when you make statements I get the feeling you are “telling” me and other readers a truth or fact when in fact its your opinion. When you harp on a subject I get the feeling you see it that all other gamers that don’t see a point your way have automatically made the wrong choice and you are trying desperately to convert them.

          I have no issue that you don’t like Destiny or its method and I am in no way defending it as you have the right to choice and I respect that 100%. But I have chosen to pay and play said given games with my wallet and its a choice I alone have made. I got your message the first 10 times do you need to keep drilling it home in every post? Its akin to those extremist rebellious religious fanatics standing outside every gaming convention holding up placards stating we are all going to hell for playing games. (We saw those signs the first time and I chose to ignore them)

          • Ryanza

            It seems my stupid comments are being taken way to seriously.

            I do anti DRM comments. Don’t support DRM. I’ve been doing it for years. I will say anything and I mean anything, just so I can say Don’t support DRM. I will make up stuff, I will go off topic, I will be illogical, just to say, Don’t support DRM.

            I’m pro The Witcher 3 and pro Cyberpunk 2077, pro CD Projekt RED. That is all anyone will get from me. No DRM, The Witcher 3, Cyberpunk 2077, CD Projekt RED. Well until CD Projekt RED fucks up. Then I will use that to make my anti DRM comments.

            I harp on the anti DRM subject because I want to harp on it.
            I don’t think about you nor other people when I make my comments. I couldn’t care less what people do. I say, don’t support DRM, and people still go and buy DRM games. That means my shit makes no difference on here. Convert people. lol.
            If I replied to everyone’s comments by telling them what to do or what to like, then maybe you have a point. But I post my comments and then I have to deal with people who say my comments are shit.

            I give up votes to other peoples comments that I like. There are people who say stuff that I agree with that’s not related to DRM. And I give them an up vote. So I don’t have to repeat what other people are saying. I just make my anti DRM comments and pro The Witcher 3 comments.

            What else was there. I mentioned Metacritic and ratings because the article was about that. You mentioned Bioshock and I mentioned The Last of Us, both getting a rating over 90, both being a single player game that told a decent story. If Bungie did what was expected from them, a single player game with a good story and some decent multiplayer added. Then the Metacritic score would have been higher and they would have gotten their bonuses. But they wanted to fuck it up by giving a online DRM game.

            “I got the message the first 10 times” lol. I wonder how many, Don’t Support DRM, comments I’ve made. Maybe 50. It can’t be over a 100. Can it…

          • Ryanza

            There is a difference to posting a comment and replying to peoples comments in a certain way.

          • JuJu

            LOL K

        • JuJu

          Oh and I have a feeling Cyberpunk will be epic!

  • Sir Rants A Lot: On Pandora

    The risk of new IP’s I guess. I would NEVER put a clause in that requires a new IP to reach a specific ranking. It’s far too risky.

    The sad part of all of this is that devs now see that new IP’s just get thrown away and then head back to the same copy/paste they always do.

    It’s a vicious cycle and I sometimes wonder if it’s because gamer mentality as of late is one of only being able to enjoy established games?

  • HvR

    If this is true Bungie can only blame themselves. Having your performance bonus based upon opinion of a dozen (Semi-) professional people and 2 dozen sad guys in their mother’s basements is never a good idea.

    • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

      But… but… but…

      My mother doesn’t have a basement. I live in the attic! Way to misrepresent!

  • L337J1MB0B

    What do reviewers know anyway, I’m ENJOYING the game cause its ENJOYABLE as I get to shoot the same things over, and over to infinity… how can any sensible person not ENJOY doing ENJOYABLE shooting?!? I’M ENJOYING IT DAMMIT!!

    • Hammersteyn

      It is fun, but this is a rare game in that it’s even more fun playing with other people.

    • Sir Rants A Lot: On Pandora

      This comment made me giggle a bit 🙂

      But you hit on a very important point. Different strokes for different folks. Some enjoy this kind of game and others don’t. That’s the nature of any game

      • L337J1MB0B

        Indeed.. just seems like the default and only defense for the game is “I’m enjoying it”.

  • Hammersteyn

    To bad they didn’t base the contract around sales :/

  • Hammersteyn

    Look all I am gonna say is that I am still having loads of fun, the team chat was abuzz about the level 26 strike mission that was running last night and how hard it was. There are still places I need to explore and I am slowly getting to grips with the PVP. I actually placed first in a team deathmatch game last night, that was after I ran into this guy called Dewy who just molested me in a PVP match. But that’s how the wheel turns.

    • ToshZA

      Wait, so a guy molests you, and you think “Hmmm, I want more of that!”?

      • Hammersteyn

        No, I want to be the molester……. what?

      • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

        I think what he is saying is that when he sees a wheel turning, it reminds him about molestation. Traffic must be fun…

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        Makes him Dewy-eyed.

    • Ryanza

      Is Dew not the really good Halo player and big Halo fan.

      • Guild

        Dew is a good fps player all round, no matter the game. I’ve teamed with and played against him usually on Cod. And now on Destiny we do it again.

    • Guild

      It was a lot of fun last night. I’m glad you saw last night how much fun the PVP can be. And if you are in a good group it makes a difference instead of relying on randoms. I don’t think we lost a game when we ran the 6 man fire team. Next time we team up I’m pulling Dew in as well.
      What time did you eventually log off?

      • Hammersteyn

        Past 1 😛

        • Guild

          lol and we’ll do it all again tonight.

          • Hammersteyn

            For sure

  • Guest

    First group finished Raid on normal, took close to 11 hours. Now I just need to find a way to level myself and 5 friends up to 26. From what I’ve seen, it looks bloody awesome

    • Hammersteyn

      I’m up to 25, I want in on those raids, 11 hours. Wow, wait. The controllers battery doesn’t even come close to lasting that long

      • ToshZA

        O_O Get new controller batteries man. I can go 18 hours or more on one charge.

        • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

          Go back to bed. Your controller will live your life for you. 😛

          • ToshZA

            Hey, shut up guy. You don’t even game on console.

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            What is console? Is that like.. when a PC is connected to your TV in the lounge? I’m so confused.

          • ToshZA

            Don’t worry, we know you’re confused. Not in the same way as Mr Steyn, but we can see.

          • Brady miaau

            Can;t we all just get along?

            Insert evil grin here

        • Hammersteyn

          PS4? I’ve worn mine out is seems

      • Ir0nseraph

        Bungie kept us in mind , you have a week to complete a raid and saves progress that week.

        • Hammersteyn

          Cool!

  • OVGrounded new game+++

    People forget how important good narrative is. This is not the 80s or the 90s. I suppose the ending of Mario “The Princess is in another castle” is just fine for todays ADD on-line MMO gamers.

    BRING BACK THE NARRATIVE. Titan Fall, Watch Dogs and Destiny feel like they fell off of a conveyer belt.

    • Kromas of City17

      And that is exactly why TLoU was such a brilliant game.

      • OVGrounded new game+++

        21hours of addictive unpredictable story telling. More than 2 seasons of a good series.

        Why the hell Destiny could not make a CODEX like in the Mass Effect menu is beyond me.

        • Kromas of City17

          That is easy. Add proper narrative with loads of backstory and codex like info and you end up with SWTOR. Great story and great game except for the fact that it is a MMO.

          Bioware I want KOTOR 3!

          • OVGrounded new game+++

            Light VS Dark? who wrote that shit.

          • Kromas of City17

            Same guy who wrote Spy VS Spy maybe? 😛

          • OVGrounded new game+++

            Well, Its a huge success and gamers vote with their wallets. 500 Million in 24hours. Expect more Spy vs Spy games with Narrative as shallow as Tetris.
            After Black Ops breaking every record under the sun to this…
            I feel old.

          • Kromas of City17

            I understand that story takes a back seat. We old people are the minority these days. Between Justin and Miley it can be seen that what kids want comes first. That is why I am so critical when going to watch a movie these days. Sparkly vampires and Dystopian teenage societies aside I long for the days where you had the choice of anything other than action movies or extremely bad 25th remake horror movies (and I use the term horror loosely).

            Okay now I am sad.

          • OVGrounded new game+++

            lol You sound old.

            The good thing about being an old school gamer is that we have already categorized over 3 decades worth of games that we will never forget. With all the HD remakes and emulators we will never get bored.

            Just a pity that the Next Gen has taken 2 steps back so far.
            Until next year when the likes of Remedy Studios, CDProject, ROCKSTEADY, Bioware, Naughty Dog, 343, Square START KICKING BUTT AGAIN 🙂

          • Kromas of City17

            I actually have a list of HD remakes I want. Just remastering not remakes mind you. I learned my lesson with Syndicate.

            – LBA and LBA2
            – Anachronox
            – FF7 (one day it will happen)
            – Kotor 1 and 2 (using frostbite!)
            – Fallout 1 and 2 (maybe make them 3D … would be interesting at least)
            – Septerra Core
            – Everything Dark forces up to and including Jedi:Knight:Jedi Academy. (Or at least reboot the series using the guys who did a brilliant job on Wolf)

            A few others but there are fan conversions around such as the one for Vampire:The Masquerade.

          • OVGrounded new game+++

            You need a Vita. The system is filled chocka block with Anime Visual Novels and HD remakes.

          • Kromas of City17

            Believe it or not but my one fatal flaw is that I am a staunch right wing supporter of PC. I only once used a console to play The Last of Us.

            Oh well. I got loads of mods that improves visuals for the time being.

          • Ryanza

            I just want a Theme Hospital remake. But then again they will just fuck it up with DRM.

          • Guild

            I don’t go to the movies. I find people just piss me off. I wait and buy the blu-ray or DVD and I’ll watch with my home theater. I am also finding I am not buying as many movies as I used to. The movies these days just don’t seem to be good enough or interest me

          • Kromas of City17

            And that is why I watch anime.

          • OVGrounded new game+++

            Hear fucking hear. The concept of the Cinema has dated so bad. Might as well just go to the pub with all that chewing, pissing, slurping and talking.

          • Guild

            Couldn’t agree more. I really miss the drive-in, I really enjoyed going there. Park the car, setup a bed in the back and just chill. Plus I could actually step out the car and enjoy a smoke while still watching. The drive-in was fun.

          • OVGrounded new game+++

            I remember my mother would make me hide under the seat at the entrance lol
            Jason Brody being smuggled over the border has nothing on my Drive in experiences lol

          • Hammersteyn

            First movie I saw at a drive in was Twins

          • Guild

            I’m showing my age but first one I saw was the huge worldwide release from Disney “Snow White and the 7 Dwarves”. The next time I went I was a little bit older and saw F/X.

          • Hammersteyn

            Exactly, at least one can partake in the chewing, pissing, slurping and talking at the pub.

          • Hammersteyn

            Same here, cellphones, kids talking, babies crying, kak popcorn & soda which is way to expensive, untrained projectionists. Fuck cinema. It’s gonna die eventually.

    • CAE9872

      You speak the truth there! It does feel like it was done “by numbers”. Just about every review I have read (which is going on 5 now) says the same thing – the game has no soul…and they kinda right about that.

      I cannot fault the mechanics or graphics – but the story…nope! Its horseshit.

  • Pieter Kruger

    Proof that kak games can still sell well! Xbox fans bought this because of Bungie. They were expecting Halo open world mmo but was sadly disappointed because it lacked Halo’s good story line. PS fans bought this because they were understandably expecting a taste of what all the Halo hype was always about, and frankly because Sony paid so much for advertising rights they thought it an exclusive( HUGE FAIL btw looking at PS/Xbox sales figures). They too were disappointed because all they got were repetitive online pew pew pew! I luckily held off and now, will never get this game! Bungie will lose out even more as many folks who got it will shelf this game and never pay for any upcoming DLC!

    • OVGrounded new game+++

      HALO is still around the corner. Destiny better watch out.

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      Oh you!

    • Jonah Cash

      Hahahaha!! I think you are miss reading most reviews!! This is the most polarizing game in a while!! I for one absolutely love it!! It is by far the best online game I have ever played!! I will be playing this for years to come and I find quite a few people who agree. Maybe just give it a shot, just don’t think you are buying a single player game with multiplayer tacked on!! The game is heaps of fun, even with its flaws it is just fun to play!!

    • Hammersteyn

      It’s not a kak game and I bought it because the Beta was free to try and I enjoyed the hell out of it. It’s still sold very very well even though the reviews aren’t as good as they hoped.

    • Guild

      I don’t think the PS4 sales have been a fail from previous articles I have read, I would say its dominating. I agree that the XBox sales have been a dismal failure but then it still hasn’t completely released worldwide so maybe that will change.
      As for Destiny, I’m enjoying it and bought it exactly for the online pew pew. I love me some PVP and co-op. I think it’s a great game and caters to me perfectly. I never bothered playing story modes in COD and BF. Destiny gives me a reason to do it and I can do it with friends. So I am really looking forward to all the good stuff this game will release in the future. And I am sure they will build on the story line with future DLC since that is what everyone is complaining about, not that I am bothered about story since all I want to do is pew pew others 😉
      So I think you are wrong that people will shelve the game but hey time will tell

      • Pieter Kruger

        Hopefully you’re right! Seeing this was the biggest IP launch in the UK in history, Bungie already made bags of cash off it anyway. What I meant by Sony failure is them paying millions of £ for exclusive marketing rights on the game and in the end only outselling Xbox One copies by 10%. Total Xbox One and Xbox 360 sales accounted for 50% of all sales almost!

        • Hammersteyn

          Very impressive, clearly Bungie has a very strong following on XBOX at the moment.

          • Pieter Kruger

            They have and always will. Like most things on the internet the whole Bungie boycott because of Sony exclusive content/marketing debacle got blown way out of proportion!

      • Hammersteyn

        That’s another thing, the game does a great job of bridging the gape between PVE and PVP.

  • Mielies the Magnificent

    Good. I sorted out MY connection issues as requested as the issue was clearly on my side. I still can’t play the fucking game…

    • Jonah Cash

      Shit that is bad!! sorry man that sucks!!!

      • Mielies the Magnificent

        Utterly frustrating. Their support is also atrocious, and provide no information to a community experiencing similar problems. Obviously not everyone is having these problems, but the silince from Bungie Help is infuriating. I’d seriously be pissed off if they handed out bonuses and patted each other on the back while I’m not allowed to play the game I paid for.

        • Hammersteyn

          Yeah, that’s utter bullshit. What errors are you still getting?

          • Mielies the Magnificent

            Still exactly the same. Bee, Cattle (a lot), fly, Centipede (still), even Nightingale (which I understand requires re-installation). All this while I’m on NAT type 2, which was supposedly the issue.

          • Hammersteyn

            Nat 2 is the issue, you did open all the ports and assigned a static IP? What type of connection are you using?

          • Mielies the Magnificent

            Isn’t 3 the issue? Yep, did allm that. Mobile wifi.

          • Hammersteyn

            Sorry I meant 3. I get less than 1mbps on my 2MB line O_o, Have you struggled with any other online games? I see they updated their site a bit, where they actually now say it is preferable to but your PS4s static IP on the DMZ, not sure if my router can do it but @jonahcash:disqus has and he’s smiling all the way. Also they basically say you need ADSL but have other tips for Wifi users.
            http://www.bungie.net/en-us/Forum/Post/68555592/0/0/1

          • Mielies the Magnificent

            Haven’t ever played any other online game before, so not really sure. I did however put the PS4s IP on the DMZ as the port forwarding did not solve the NAT issue. But as I stated before I’ve been on nat 2 now for almost a week, so thats not the problem anymore. And I understand ADSL is a better option, but I have such a good/ fast/ stable mobile connection that I doubt it’s the issue. Some people have even stated that PSN on PS4 is unstable, yet again only for a minority of the community. Thanks for the link, I’ll check it out immediately.

          • Hammersteyn

            I really hope you succeed. In the end it’s unacceptable that the consumer has to struggle like this.

          • Mielies the Magnificent

            sigh me too… Seems like box covers these days should include “Requires internet connection to play AND a Bachelors degree in Network engineering for setup” – “Oh you don’t? Well F$&K YOU! Then you probably don’t deserve to play this”

          • Mark Treloar

            Error 37?

          • Hammersteyn

            Oh you.

  • Jonah Cash

    The game should be played very differently to what most reviewers did!! In 3-5 years time when more of these type of games come out, we will start to see “better” reviews or rather more fair reviews….
    Don’t start up the game and just go from story mission to story mission that would be very irritating!! You will feel like a sheep and every time your ghost has to scan something you will be looking for a vantage point for the inevitable rush of enemies….
    If you play Earths missions and then go and play PvP or go and stroll around on Earth and go and see what you can find, you will be 10-15 hours in already!! Then go on to the Moon and rince and repeat above formula and I promise you that you will have a good time!! I have played 50+ hours and haven’t finished the story yet, and by now I really want to!!

    • Hammersteyn
      • Guild

        Bwahaha! I read Ctrl+Alt+Del everyday. Awesome web strip

        • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

          I have been following that strip since I was but a young gamer person. It is pure awesome!

          • Guild

            I know read all them. Still wondering when Ethan will make a reappearance. I also enjoy “Looking for Group” and “Least I could do”.

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            I think the Ethan and Lucas reboot is due really really soon. I have been bleak ever since Tim ended that thread!

      • JuJu

        Hahaha so true!! When you see a blue drop I’m like WTF !!!!!

      • CAE9872

        LOL

      • WARLORD VIII

        Funny strip but an hour in his hand should be empty or have a green item lol

    • Guild

      I really need to finish the story mode now as well. I’m just starting out on Mars. Problem is finding time with so much to do once you ding passed 20. I’m finding I’m doing bounties, then daily PVP, daily strikes and daily story by this time I’m surprised 6 hours has flown by. I’m going to be playing this game for a long time. So keen to get into a raid when I hit 26. It looks insane

    • L337J1MB0B

      Ah I see what you’re saying… so in order to enjoy the game one has to follow a blueprint that avoids the mundane by bouncing between a variety of repetitive objectives… gotcha.

      • If you have to play a game in a specific way to get enjoyment out of it, then its designers have fundamentally failed.

        • Jonah Cash

          I don’t disagree with that at all!! The story mode is repetitive but it is by no means a deal breaker for the game!! That is all I am saying!! I agree with your score to an extent but I am more in the 80% somewhere but the guys panning the game with 50% is just bullshit!! The game is fun, I still game to get as much fun out of it as possible otherwise I would be fishing every weekend and in Cape Town that would mean I am going to be wet every weekend for 7-10 months of the year 🙂

        • Nick de Bruyne

          Yeah that’s Horse Crap. If I wanna play a Tennis game like a Golf game, I should be able to without enjoying it less! Crappy Devs!

      • Jonah Cash

        Yes!! Or just don’t play the story missions as a linear experience and broaden the way you play the game…. Not that difficult!! And as I said this game has no middle ground, you are either going to like it or not!! I absolutely love it!! It is the best FPS experience I have had!!

      • Jonah Cash

        The PvP is not repetitive at all by the way, even if you play 10 rounds of just Control it won’t be the same in any of them!! The basic rules stay the same but if you play all 10 rounds the same you are going to win some and lose some so you need to adapt to what the other team does… Have you played it?

        • L337J1MB0B

          I played the alpha and the beta and realised its not the game for me, despite really REALLY wanting to like it. The problems that the negative reviews are bringing up are the same issues that I had with it.

          • Jonah Cash

            Then you made an informed decision, the people who are moaning are generally people who thought they bought a single player game.. There are a ton of games I don’t get and won’t ever buy so I understand that wholeheartedly. Have a good one

  • I am saddened by this!

    • FoxOneZA

      I was saddened by the hype around this. Back to Borderlands and Halo then.

  • Greylingad

    This doesn’t surprise me, too much hype…. I suppose the devs tried their best, but getting a score of that magnitude won’t get done by reinventing the wheel….

  • dhinged

    There shouldn’t be agreements for benefits based on critical scores. That allows too much tampering in the industry. If the game scored 90 but didn’t sell well, Activision could have lost money on the bonus as well. A bonus like this should just be based on how well the game sells.

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