Do exhibitors like The Attraction Academy belong at rAge?

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We had a wealth of responses to rAge this year. For as many people who attended, you will get as many and varied opinions, something evidenced in our staff post with all our views. It’s a gaming expo for families, adults and everything in between, and it has grown to include all manner of geeky awesomeness including fantastic cosplay and a really cool flea market. However, one exhibitor grabbed some attention this weekend and maybe for unexpected reasons.

The Attraction Academy had a stand at rAge. It quickly grabbed attention from male and female gamers alike wondering what it was all about. If you check out their site, they explain that it isn’t about teaching pick up lines, but that they seek to teach the tools and skills men need to approach, connect with and develop attraction with women. As such, they say that  numbers game and seduction science manipulation traditionally employed by pick up artists isn’t quite applicable (even though that’s really exactly what it is), but they do make some rather specific promises.

With our extensive experience and after being mentored and trained by the worlds number 1 Attraction Specialist and Dating Coach, our theoretical seminars and practical training courses are designed to increase your confidence and assist you in meeting, connect with, attract, building lasting relationships and dating exceptionally beautiful and high- quality women.

[…] What makes The Attraction Academy unique is that we teach ‘Natural Game’; which allows our students to reach levels of success with women without using generic pick up lines. Instead, you will develop an underlying understanding of the female psyche, which allows the women to become deeply attracted to the best version of yourself.

Despite my profound disgust at the phrasing surrounding “exceptionally beautiful and high-quality women” (as compared to all those low-quality women?), the site does say that it’s not about using lines but rather becoming a best version of yourself. It even goes so far as saying that this will improve overall confidence, helping men to improve their business abilities and social life in general. All of that does, indeed, sound great for anyone. There are enough people in this world who need help with social skills, and self-help gurus can help some of them. In fact, they are even looking at making a master class for ladies, although there are apparently some issues around societal expectations that need to be overcome – don’t worry, I’m not touching that aspect of this situation with a ten-foot pole.

However, my objection about the presence of The Attraction Academy at rAge is two-fold. First, I find their sales pitch, tone and phrasing to be rather offensive towards women; it’s predatorial, misogynistic and pretty damned creepy. Second, I don’t feel that they belonged at rAge. I’m not going to go into too much depth on the first point because that is purely a personal thing, but I will let you listen to a sample chapter from one of their master classes. The psychology behind it is sound, but the phrasing of it makes it sound like the men are fooling women into agreeing to a first date and manipulating them into getting further. Again, the psychology is sound and is similarly often used in marketing and sales guides, but the tone makes my skin crawl.

 

During rAge, Sam from Tech Girl and I went to go chat to The Attraction Academy about what they offer and why they were at the expo. You can hear that chat over on our podcast, here. To be clear, I have no problem with people meeting up for casual sexual encounters if that’s what both parties are after. What does distress me is for someone to sell their CD based on the prospect of getting more sex with any and every woman, which is exactly what I heard in the sales pitch to the young man talking to Ryan before the podcast began. This kind of pitch feels predatory to me, either selling a false promise to the young man buying the CD, or promoting disingenuous encounters with women if you follow their techniques.

The most disturbing part of their presence at rAge was how it played on the stereotypes of gamers as being primarily straight male, socially under-skilled cretins who need to be taught how talk to women and get laid. Sure, there are plenty of men and women who fit into the stereotype of being in need of some lessons in social interaction and (based on the smell in the Dome) hygiene. However, there are also plenty of people who play video games who have social skills and have already found meaningful relationships with partners.

I’m going to assume that the guys from The Attraction Academy are unaware of the changes going on in the gaming industry, that they simply didn’t know that people are more aware of the cisheteronormative issues in stereotypes and all the hard work that gamers, developers and media have done to change perceptions about gamers and gaming. However, I can’t imagine that the rAge organizers are unaware of the industry, which is why I reached out to Michael James, the Senior Project Manager and general head honcho for rAge, to ask him about their inclusion in the expo.

What sort of criteria do you have for inviting or allowing companies or services to exhibit at rAge?

Just to clarify, we don’t invite exhibitors to be at the expo – they make an enquiry to exhibit and pay to be there. We don’t allow alcohol or cigarette sales, nor do we allow sexually explicit content that is rated 18+.

Why was the Attraction Academy allowed/invited to rAge 2015?

When they made an enquiry to be an exhibitor at rAge we checked that their content didn’t contravene any of the criteria I mentioned above. We asked them about the suitability of their material and reminded them that rAge is a family show, and all their answers satisfied me with regards to what they would be displaying at their booth.

He goes on to explain that rAge is definitely still a family show and that they even host organizations like the FPB to show their commitment to protecting kids while gaming continues to grow. He believes that companies like The Attraction Academy might even help improve the way people treat each other online and off.

It’s always easy to jump on these things and look for the negatives, but consider the scenario where just one person who might have previously and thoughtlessly made an inappropriate comment to women online now won’t, because he was informed that behaving like that isn’t right.

Also, for clarification’s sake, Sam and I were incorrect in our numbers of female attendees at rAge. According to Michael James, the rAge audience is closer to 60% male. While I’m sure he has a better sense of his demographic than either of us do, I think some of you could agree with our estimates based on the sheer number of women and couples visible at rAge, and I’m curious how the demographic would shift if it includes or excludes those who attend the LAN.

I understand where the rAge organizers are coming from. There is nothing explicit in the marketing material on show from The Attraction Academy, and I suppose as long as they applied and paid whatever it cost to have their stand, that’s about it as far as the organizers are concerned. However, it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It perpetuates the very same stereotypes that gamers of all walks of life are seeking to change, plus I can’t imagine that any women who saw the stand felt particularly comfortable as a result.

Companies are welcome to market themselves in whatever venues and ways that they think will be most worthwhile, and I’m sure they had a rather successful weekend at rAge. It just still makes my skin crawl; both as a woman, and as a gamer.

Last Updated: October 13, 2015

Zoe Hawkins

Wielding my lasso of truth, I am the combination of nerd passion and grammar nazi. I delve into all things awesome and geek-tastic. I believe people should stop defining themselves and just enjoy playing games, so let’s get on with it!

  • Brady miaau

    Well, from a pure business perspective, perhaps they saw a gap and made some good money there. Assuming the stereotype male gamer, struggling to talk to the cheerleader is true. Hey, maybe he should use the money he was going to use to buy the new guitar her wanted to help fix her car, to get in her good books and try and get closer to her. (You can’t buy me love, 80’s movie). Yeah.

    Is this about building self confidence and becoming a better you OR is this about supposedly plowing (Plough, Geralt) through as many men and womand as possible because you are now your “best” you?

    I am all about self improvement and I read books on that topic. I know how important it is to be the “best” you and how emotion and self doubt can eat that away and take your confidence. I know that many people, myself included, slip from time to time and need to learn to in touch with themselves, know themselves and accept themselves (is you bum too big? or whatever). This is an important topic and should never be dismissed. These chaps seem to be trying to to sell self help so you can get laid. Yay.

    Finishing school, anyone? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finishing_school) – and yes, it can be construed as a terrible pun.)

    tl:dr, right?

    • Grand Admiral Chief

      Right, tl;dr

      • Brady miaau

        Well, if you got so far as tl:dr, then….?

        • Grand Admiral Chief

          Huehuehue, I ALWAYS read! tl;dr means THAT I TOOK THE TIME TO READ, and HAD to troll, to say that I “didn’t” read
          😉

          • Brady miaau

            I give up on these sodding acronyms.

            Did read. Did not read. Purple.

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Heh, it is actually my way of saying, TOO LONG, DAT READ!

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            I’ve never heard that one. Purple. What’s that an acronym for?

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Pleasant unhygienic robust person lazygamer entity

          • $ 7000 to $ 10000 Every Month by just these simple steps which i am going to show you. go to this website for details…..

            ======>>>>> Just point to my discuss account for more info

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    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      It’s about making a meaningful connection with totally hot women.

      • Bad man!

      • WitWolfy

        “All women are beautiful in the beginning. Until they’re all after your trust find like pack of wild wolfs” Norman Osborn.

    • GooseZA

      No problem with self help and building self confidence but this doesn’t feel like it’s the same to me. It just feels seedy. I’m basing this purely on the posters and the general vibe I get from them obv, and don’t have any info really about the course content, but ja…

      If it’s really just a “Do X and Y and the ladies will love you” kind of a course then it’s not really building confidence or accepting who you are, it’s just teaching you that who you are is not what women are looking for and you need to project someone else in order to be accepted. That’s kinda the opposite of learning to better / accept yourself surely?

      • Brady miaau

        I do not think they are about building confidence or self help. In order to achieve their stated goal, they would need to do a bit of that, but the reason for doing is not, in my book, kosher.

        I wanted to make a point about our human frailties and weakness’s and how we need to build on them and never stop. I know this for a fact.

        It is not the same and the long term result will, in all likelihood, be worse than if no intervention was done, as you pointed out “That’s kinda the opposite of learning to better / accept yourself surely?”

        • GooseZA

          Yeah I figured that’s what you were trying to say. So we’re in agreement. Hooray! 😀

          • Brady miaau

            I sometimes do not bother to explain a conclusion, as I type quickly, close and leave.

            But yeah, I am not happy with this.

            High Performance Mind, Anna Wise.

            Focus: The hidden driver, Daniel Goldman

            Interesting books

  • GooseZA

    LOL! I gotta agree. No place for that at a gaming convention (or even anywhere) and ugggghhh… I feel gross just thinking about it.

    To me, that’s super creepy and the douche-vibes radiating from their picture alone would send me running if I was a lady.

  • Grand Admiral Chief
  • Gareth L (That eXCheez Guy)

    I was going to say no, then I saw how handsome and confident they both are.

    • I laughed.

    • Brady miaau

      you mean like the stockbroker guy trying to sell me the coolest software in the world for buying shares, but he arrives in old clothing, driving a battered car. Yes.

      Sell your product, live your product. Not that I like this product, I think it preys on fears and promises much with no real measure of deliverables.

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      Their attractiveness powers have no limits!

      • Brady miaau

        over 9000, without spiky blonde hair? Is that possible?

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          It must be his magnetic personality.

          • Brady miaau

            Years ago, these extremely young ladies came and sat with my friend and myself in a bar. It was very cold, we were sitting under the aircon. One of them, to break the ice (yes, yes) says it is extremely cold here. So my friend points to me and says it is just his personality.

            So I sat and stared and did not say a word to them. They left eventually. Ice cool. Meeting woman is one thing, but school girls in a bar, late at night? I have never like that. time and place for everything and I believe when you are 16, that is not your time and place to be in such a place. Prude, I know, right?

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Nope, the older I got the less impressed I was with underage kids in clubs. Not that I was particularly impressed in the first place.

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            tl;dr

            😛

          • Brady miaau

            Urple

            Please Use Respect Politely in Life for Everything?

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Aye, I like that one

  • Viking Of Science

    I think the rAge organisers could use rule of thumb. As in:
    Were They at SexPo? If so, they do not meet the criteria for rAge. (If they
    really want to keep their “Family Event” image.)

  • Alien Emperor Trevor

    I don’t see why they’d be there because they don’t seem to have anything to do with gaming or general geeky nature, for want of a better term, of the event.

    “allows the women to become deeply attracted to the best version of yourself” – I’ve met me, this seems implausible.
    “exceptionally beautiful and high-quality women” – are they also free-range & grain-fed?

    People need to realise most self-help “gurus” do exactly that, help themselves – at your expense.

    • HAHAHA! I’ve met you too, and you are right!

      • Commander JJ of the Normandy

        What the hell is going on!? How can you agree with him? I thought it was axiomatically impossible.

        • Only when he is saying damning, and correct stuff about himself.

  • Grand Admiral Chief

    THAT COLLAR SHIRT!
    Can you hear the panties d-d-d-drop?

    • Guild

      XD I can’t take that guy on the right seriously.

      • Grand Admiral Chief

        IKR? No collar shirt? NO SALE

      • Gareth L (That eXCheez Guy)

        And then you see… the stubble!

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        Um, he has a master class diploma. He’s the real deal.

        • Guild

          Wif his keef shades, hang ten hand signals, collar up button opened chest exposing shirt, lekka groomed stubble, balding head wif the wave of the ocean running through whats left….. I know I am being a dick but seriously this guy just makes me laugh

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            If women fall for that, then I’m sorry, they can have him

          • Guild

            True, can’t argue with that

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Funny that you immediately latched onto my comment once I used the word “drop”

            #NevarrrForget

            😛

          • Guild

            XD

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            You know what, ladies and gents should fine people like the awesome folk that form part of our wonderful Lagz community. The community is the real awesome folk

          • Greylingad[CNFRMD]

            You, sir, deserve a 12 year reserve whisky for that statement!

          • Pariah

            Only 12 year?

          • Greylingad[CNFRMD]

            Ok, negotiable!

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Sold

          • Gareth L (That eXCheez Guy)

            It’s that confidence, yo!

  • Gareth L (That eXCheez Guy)

    Have the “event organisers” had anything to say about this? I mean, it was only a few months ago that the advert / mascot for the event went under a burn reaction to the third degree for its sexist design.

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      They said it doesn’t violate any of their rules. Which I assume means they’re powerless to make any kind of judgement call. I’m kinda hoping that means at the CT rAge we’ll get to see some fancy car exhibitions.

      • Gareth L (That eXCheez Guy)

        Add some Meat is Murder and Vegetables Cure Cancer stands while you’re at it.

        • Weanerdog

          I love meat. I once spent an hour trying to convince the canned lion activist that having more lions in existence was essential for keeping a good breading stock and if they banned canned lion hunting it was actually detrimental to lions everywhere else. (And for all I know this may in fact be true, you can’t argue with the logic, I also had an hour to kill between appointments.) So vegetarians don’t scare me. Most of the meat I eat is vegetarian and you are what you eat.

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Just don’t spin the meat

          • Weanerdog

            Thanks and now to go find the mind bleach, again.

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            You are most welcome

  • Milesh Bhana

  • Fnuik

    If the guy on the right can get a girl with a nose like that I’t must work. He looks like a character from a Asterix book.

    • Gareth L (That eXCheez Guy)

      His surname is guaranteeed to end in “opolous”. 😛

      • Fnuik

        I bet his hook to get girls is to use his nose, you know, as a hook… o never mind.

  • So… “Not Quite” Pick-up artistry is now a thing at rAge?
    The biggest problem with this sort of stuff is that different people interpret it differently.
    The overt kid who doesnt get out much or doesnt have the ability to socialize with that one girl he’s always fancied will see it as a tool of getting closer to her.
    The jock boy will see it as a tool to get into her pants, and her friends pants, and her friends cousins pants, and so on and so forth.

    While it can technically be seen as a good idea… lets be honest here… those dudes were there to capitalize off of the stereotype of the unpopular, awkward and shy gamer kid.

  • Jac7

    Of course women don’t have brains. NOT giving them a yes or no choice would completely blindside them, as they are only capable of seeing those two options. They had a whole 8 hour documentary about this on the Discovery Channel the other night in 1952. It’s also a well-known fact that women prefer to stand close to the oven to keep their feet warm while they cook for the family. This shows gratitude….

    These guys are so confident it’s creepy.

  • Darren Peach

    This is very tasteless. When you post objective views on the nature of society and look at the mitigating factors, This is a clear attempt at exploiting a market that has preconceived ideas surrounding it. These folks are playing on the Idea that Rage will be a bastion of virginity and insecurity and think they are tapping into a lucrative market.

    Either a masterstroke in marketing from them or just a flash in the pan. Your article is giving them more “press” and exposure. In a way, It is a win win situation that this exhibit finds itself in. This has no place in a event like Rage.

    I guess rage itself needs to ensure they fill a quota of stands in order to meets their financial needs and this was a no-brainer. Maybe a cautionary tale for future Rage events. But clearly a bad Idea.

  • konfab

    So what are gamers more likely to spend money on. The season pass for Battlefront, or a glorified self help guide.

  • Greylingad[CNFRMD]

    If there is one thing that irritates me, it’s a guy wearing a button up shirt and leaving the top buttons undone, having his chest hair, like unwanted pubes, fluttering in the wind, catching on the gold chain around his neck, looking like the typical sleazebag you’d find in a New Jersey chop shop with comb over hair gelled to perfection, to reflect a Johnny Bravo wannabe with brown hair covered in self applied spray tan lotion and smelling like an out of place sheik dipped in Gucci…

    tl;dr I don’t like jocks…

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      I think that’s one of the best descriptions I’ve ever read in my life.

      • Weanerdog

        Yet you never even gave an upvote.

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          I’m jealous.

    • Grand Admiral Chief

      “unwanted pubes”
      ROFL

      • Greylingad[CNFRMD]

        Can you imagine going home and having to dig the hair out of that chain… Sies man…. nee dis af chutney….

        • DragonSpirit009

          Wonder if he uses conditioner to untangle it

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Nope, olive oil

          • DragonSpirit009

            Well no I have a picture in my head that doesn’t really work for me

          • Greylingad[CNFRMD]

            One thing is for sure, I really don’t want to know what he uses to get his hair to stand like it does….

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Olive oil

          • DragonSpirit009

            How do you know that would work?

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            He looks like an olive oil kinda dude

          • Greylingad[CNFRMD]

            You’re sure it’s olive oil and not motor grease?

  • Weanerdog

    Personally I think it is tasteless but not in the degree to warrant it getting any attention at all a bit of a mountain over a mole hill. I did write a wall of text over at Llews blog regarding this. But then again who am I to judge how others feel.

    Although Alessandro’s reaction to my survival of the species tweet was priceless.

  • Personally I don’t think we (Edit: Gamers not this website) should be seen as pressuring rAge to ban people like this. I don’t care much about what they are offering but from what I understand it isn’t illegal and it isn’t pushing women into doing anything they don’t freely choose to do.

    Yes I, and others, may find it distasteful to fake who you are to land someone in bed or a relationship but if you really want to bang a drum,about deception we could start talking about makeup, hair dye, clothes that shape your body, fragrances, all girl magazines (how to please your man etc…) and anything that someone does to make themselves more appealing to their preferred partners.

    I walked past their stand with my 2 daughters and didn’t worry about it, They aren’t taking away the family friendly vibe and if rAge were going to crack down on something I’d rather it be the horrific language of people in the center and crowding of the doors by smokers. Those things made me worry about my children far more than 2 guys who think they’ve solved the mystery of relationships.

    Censorship needs to GITFS

    • Oh and to make this out to be a slur on gamers is pathetic.. it’s a massive expo that they know is going to be filled with 15-35 year olds… which makes up most of their market.

      Get a grip

      • konfab

        I agree, the next 4×4 expo should have a stand selling penis enlagement therapies.

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          They do – the 4×4’s. 😀

        • Greylingad[CNFRMD]

          HAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Holy hell!!!

        • Pariah

          They’d find more business though.

          Also. XD XD XD

        • Grand Admiral Chief

          Comment of the week. NO need to look further, this here, is it

          • Rock789

            Has to be! If not – WUZ ROBBED!!

            **presses play on comment of the week self-help CD… Recognizes Alien Emperor Trevor’s voice…** o_O

        • WitWolfy

          Sounds like my kinda expo

      • Weanerdog

        Agreeing with Gavin twice in one day. WTF

        • Grand Admiral Chief

          This must mean….THE HEATWAVE WILL FINALLY BE BROKEN!!!

          • Pariah

            You should’ve taken a class.

            NOPE.

          • Weanerdog

            Sorry, I am in Cape Town and it just started snowing or maybe those fricken gulls are back.

          • Pariah

            <3 Cape Town. Love this place.

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Hahaha, Murphy’s Gulls?

          • Because it will snow right?

      • Lol. Tell us what you really think Gav 😛

        I see what you are saying. And it makes sense. But you know what? At the end of the day I reckon it boils down to:

        rAge is a gaming, geek culture and tech expo.

        Is this stand related to any of those? No.
        Therefore it really shouldn’t be there.

    • Brady miaau

      Yes, also very valid. My opinion is not relevant, as they have equal right to theirs.

      Well stated.

    • Darren Peach

      Friends of yours ? Or is it a possible revenue stream for future advertising on this website ? Just dotting the I’s and crossing the t’s ? Understandable. Maybe be a little more supportive of your writers because I can understand how this can be offensive to any lady.

      • Pariah

        Wait, because he employs people he’s no longer allowed his own opinion, even if it differs from his staff’s? O_o

        And this is Gavin. We all know he likes to talk about the hotly debated stuff, and violently rip us out of our bloodlust by talking sense and making us think.

        Even if it does come across as him being an asshole – most of the time he’s right. #JustSaying

        • Darren Peach

          It’s just a name on a website to me. And I think that the debate about the value of a stand selling sex at a gaming expo is clear cut. As a Individual I think it is out of place. It plays on insecurity and therefore is dishonest.

          • Pariah

            It’s not quite selling sex though – it’s selling confidence and dates. I think we automatically jump to the worst possible outcome and then latch onto it – that’s what I’m saying has happened here. Perhaps the same thing with the Roxy mascot, tbh. And yes, I’m as guilty as the next person regarding this. Gavin almost always brings about some perspective, which makes me at least stop and think about my reaction. Sometimes I’ll still disagree, but often Gavin is bang on the mark. Just in my experience and dealings with him.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Please don’t talk about Gavin banging. 🙁

          • Pariah

            Not my fault your mind is almost as filthy as the Admiral’s underpants…

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Damn it, 2nd place AGAIN.

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Plot twist…I DON’T WEAR UNDERPANTS!!!

          • Pariah

            That is worse. Much, much worse.

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Sweet dreams tonight!

          • Pariah

            Good thing I’m not sleeping much at the moment already…

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Yeah, this heat and my balls are not a interesting thing to dream about

            #Line?WhatLine?

          • Pariah
          • Grand Admiral Chief

            xD

          • Weanerdog

            Mind bleach again

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            Commando Skid, at your service?

          • Weanerdog

            Coffee streaming from my nostrils, I hope you are happy with yourself.

          • Darren Peach

            Actually, It is selling sex.

          • aw you’ll make me blush

      • Thankfully my writers don’t need me to baby them and are mature enough to handle critique and differing opinions.

        I have no idea who the guys are who run AA and it’s massively offensive to imply I would throw a friend under a bus for advertising..

        • Darren Peach

          Dude, I work in Advertising and in this world, Nothing is out of the question. Absolutely nothing at all. Money talks.

          • Attraction Academy doesn’t have anywhere near enough money for me to throw away my morals and ethics.

          • Darren Peach

            I suppose balance is required and the nature of this article does serve to cause debate and anger. I defer to your measured view. Still, It’s friggen seedy as hell.

        • Darren Peach

          Scew it. I disagree with you. I firmly believe that any business owner puts the need to protect their interest above all else. It is to the detriment of humanity that our lives are governed by this. ” This is an opinion piece by the author indicated and does not represent the views of the publication or its staff.” This serves to affirm my view.

          While you say you it’s massively offensive to imply you would throw staff under a bus, I think that this disclaimer serves to protect you from having to do so as you take no responsibility for what someone you employ says. This website constantly pursues controversial topics but hides behind a disclaimer . Your image is more important than common sense.

          I personally think that the second you felt the need to have to put a disclaimer on the article, You did exactly what you imply you won’t ever do.

          • The disclaimer is automated.

            Funny thing, it was put there to protect the writers from my over the top editorials because they were all being painted with the same brush and I thought it was important that people know that everyone here is unique and has their own opinion.

            Maybe it would change your mind knowing that my main income comes from my fulltime job and this is a work of passion and not a need for money?

          • Darren Peach

            Automated. Unless you think I am a stupid log, I sincerely doubt that saying something is automated is a respectable or valid response. In fact, I would argue that the Idea of something being automated further validates my point.

            But, Let us get down do the real issue at hand. Being somewhat independent in nature, I tend not to follow mainstream trends and I Ideas. Being BI-Polar has enlightened me to the true nature of people. The initial point of the article raised what I consider to be a very valid concern about exploitation based on preconceived Ideas.

            Most readers seemed to agree with this idea. It’s the kind of debate that has merit. But, Then you post a opinion which undermines rational sentiment and further antagonise through another post in which you imply that those that disagree with you need to check themselves or get a grip.

            While there is most definitely a younger less savvy ( inexperienced) demographic portion of you user base that might agree with your post by default, There are also those who are far more experienced by comparison who would wholeheartedly disagree with your somewhat heavy handed approach. It serves to isolate those who disagree with you and makes one feel uncomfortable. But, Being part of a demographic that is considered unsavory by the mainstream has thickened my skin to the point that I see BS straight away. And I call everything you have said complete and utter BS.

          • Bagel

            “Then you post a opinion”

            OPINION
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            Its his opinion, whats the problem here?

          • Darren Peach

            Want some coffee ?

          • The disclaimer is added when an article is tagged as an editorial. I don’t see how that validates or invalidates the point at all. It’s just a fact, same as we automate disclaimers on sponsored posts and event posting. ANYWAY…

            ” The initial point of the article raised what I consider to be a very valid concern about exploitation based on preconceived Ideas.”

            Exploitation of what though? The ladies who will be targetted by people using the service or gamers who are being targetted and a possible clientelle for the service?

            For the first one I don’t see ladies as damsels in distress who need protecting, they are just as capable of deciding for themselves if the person they are talking to is really interested in them as people or for sexual use only. Is it underhanded to use the ‘skills’ these guys teach? I absolutely think so. But my moral compass is mine alone and I don’t feel the need to impose it on others.

            If your worries about the second part, where gamers are being targetted because they are stereotyped as nerds who need help then I don’t see the problem at all., If the targeting is incorrect then the company’s marketing will fail. if it succeeds then maybe there is some merit in the stereotype. Either way it doesn’t hurt you or anyone else who isn’t the stereotype.

            They are offering a service, not forcing you or anyone to do anything.

            The recent trend to be hysterical about anything that someone doesn’t personally agree with doesn’t sit well with me.

          • Darren Peach

            Here is a Idea, How about taking mental health and making it a worthy
            debate ? Sick of seeing mainstream society never even bother with it.
            Gamer-gate, Misogyny, Sexism, Race and exploitation are hot topics. But
            no-one has ever ventured into the world of the impact modern mental
            illness, The discrimination that those who are afflicted with it are
            subject to.

            Wonder how many of your readers are too scared too be
            open about it ? So, Every time you post a article about the lack of
            transformation in games, You slap a great many people in the face. But,
            To be honest, I doubt any one of your writers give a damn. These topics
            you post are pseudo issues compared to the stigma that those who are
            afflicted with serious mental health issue. God damn arrogant that your
            writers continue to pursue selective topics and think they are holding a torch for all of humanity. Am I being hysterical ? Or am I just not worthy ?

          • You’re being hysterical and disrespectful.

            Yes you have an issue you want people to talk about and are upset that we don’t. So you insult everyone around you to try and get your point across.

            I’m done in this conversation, you started off with some great points but this thread no longer has value. Hopefully we get to chat again sometime.

          • Darren Peach

            Fair enough. I guess you are in no way equipped to handle me. You fucked up my day good and solid.

          • also, you yourself said the majority disagree with my view so how can I isolate people with my opinion. This isn’t an echo chamber, this is an editorial comment section where debate and discussion are invited and desired

    • Weanerdog

      This is pretty much my sentiments.

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      There’s exactly one mention of “ban”, “illegal” and “censorship” each, anywhere – your comment. So it was never even brought up. The question was: “does this relevant to a gaming expo”? You haven’t addressed that. By your logic EVERYTHING is permitted at a gaming expo simply because an application is made? That’s silly.

      • Valid point. But I don’t see people writing editorials to kick out the lady selling biltong or the Virgin Active guy or the freaks trying to touch me with massage machines.

        If they saw the gaming market as a market to advertise to then good for them. They paid the same money as others to get a stand to market to us, if we allow massage machines then we surely have to allow this?

        • Pariah

          Hadn’t thought of it like that, tbh.

        • Grand Admiral Chief

          I nearly slapped the massage machine guy, I don’t like being touched by strangers

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            You just like playing hard to get.

          • Yeah I also freaked out.. This is why I don’t go to places

          • Lardus-For the Emperor!

            When I saw them at rAge I managed to dodge them because of all the practice dodging them at Sexpo…

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Yeah luckily I rolled a 20 and dodged that dodgy character

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          Because they chose not to write an editorial about that, but about something that matters to them? All or nothing doesn’t really work.

          They should kick those massage machine freaks out :/ I always make sure to give them a wide berth.

        • Lardus-For the Emperor!

          Agree with AET, but then you come with that massage machine guys – they are creepy and what does that have to do with games? I avoid them at any expo I go to! I know where to go for a proper massage thanks. Virgin Active guy? What does that have to do with games? But Biltong = snacks = always welcome anywhere 🙂

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            VA guy is competing with Wii Fit. 😉

            Little did they know, Nintendon’t!

          • Her Highness the Hipster

            biltong/cabanossi guy was also at Sexpo. it was way creepier there for men to be offering me their meat 😛

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            O_O

          • Lardus-For the Emperor!

            Hahahahahaaaa! Yeah, Sexpo…the first of two boring expos this year for me…

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            Haha. I think getting me near a Sexpo would already be difficult enough as it is.

    • Bagel

      I may not be the biggest Lazygamer fanshit (the name i give to a fan of anything), and you may not here it from me daily Gavin, But i thank you almost on a daily bases that someone as level headed as you, is in control of this website.

      So really. Thank you

      • Gavin, in control of the website? BWAHAHAHAHA! That shit is funny.

        • Bagel

          You know what i mean :c

      • oh wow… That is a really kind thing to say, thanks.

  • ZA Ludomusicologist

    Neither Tinder nor this love app is on Windows Phone. Also… I have a partner. 🙂

    • Weanerdog

      There is a 3rd party app called Timber on Windows phone if you really wanted to know.

      • Pariah

  • Martin Human

    As a happily married gamer, I can so no, we don’t need this.

    • Pariah

      I met my girlfriend in a game. Yep, in a game. We’ve been together well over a year and the trajectory looks like married for life. So, what about this class makes sense? Not much. But that’s us. I know at least 2 people in my very small network of colleagues and old friends and acquaintences who’d sign up for this on the spot.

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        So your gf isn’t a real person? 😀

        • Pariah

          I’m not you. She’s real. 😉

        • Commander JJ of the Normandy

          I knew it!

          • Pariah

            This coming from the guy who used to date his eyebrows?

            *RUNS

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            Wrong. I had a date UNDER my eyebrows. IT’S DIFFERENT!

          • Pariah

            So she’d stayed dry the whole time she was with you? 😛

            Ps, I’m running out of ideas for insults here, I thought the eyebrows would work. >_>

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            Looks like the most of the insults surrounding my eyes have dried up here at Lagz. It’s nice. I feel like I’m being treated like a human being again 😉

          • Pariah

            Sadly it’s not quite as classic as the 7 thing with Llew. Mostly because of how you handle them – like a baws. 🙂

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            Haha. I’ve had to adapt or die. 😀

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            ScarBrowman, the flash noob

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            If that statement was underlined you would have literally addressed each one in a single sentence ;P

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            I left the best one out intentionally

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            And cool in the summer.

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            I prefer using the word “rad”

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Yes I’m sure your brows give off quite a few rads of radiation

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            I have one more, but I’m saving that for when JJ REALLY messes up

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            He’s not bluffing.

      • Martin Human

        The problem with gamers is that they expect to get gamer girlfriends. Metalheads hope for metal girlfriends etc. Newsflash, the girl you get might just let you forget about your hobby for a very long time, and once married the hobby can get in the way of your time together, I know from personal experience. Trying to sleep with every girl is just a bad idea, just wait and see how unplanned pregnancy messes up your gaming time friends. That all being said, i suppose all I really want to say is yes, every geek can get a great girl. Just at least try guys, but not like that, its cheap

  • Deceased

    No, as a straight, white male ( because all 3 of those offend someone somewhere ) – I can honestly say that I ( my opinion ) do not believe this is the type of stand that should be at rAge – maybe on the sidewalk outside of a club somewhere – but it has so little to do with nerds/geeks and their hobbies specifically.

    Also, after listening to the clip, I actually think the appropriate place to advertise might be on porno websites ( I think it might be a better target audience as well )
    – Think about it – single, shy guy goes for his routine jack and all of a sudden there’s the possibility of being taught how to deal with women – shit, maybe I need to trademark this concept or something :/

  • Commander JJ of the Normandy

    It’s business. Money.
    Their target market is there.
    I’m not saying I agree with it, or support it, but there are way worse things to be worried about than this.

  • DragonSpirit009

    I’m with you Zoe… My skin is crawling as well.

    • Commander JJ of the Normandy

      I’m all for self-improvement, but this isn’t it.
      Seems dishonest.

      • DragonSpirit009

        I already have a hard time trusting people. And when I read stuff like this it freaks me out even more!

        • Commander JJ of the Normandy

          Exactly. That’s why I find it dishonest.
          If you’re helping someone with confidence, or interpersonal skills, sure, but this is advertised as “getting women”…now that I think about it like that….it actually shouldn’t be allowed at Rage. There’s no relevance. I retract my former statement.
          But money gets everyone in somewhere.

          • DragonSpirit009

            Yeah money is always the one that brings out… certain things that shouldn’t be there to begin with.
            One of the reason’s why I’m afraid of people XD

          • Pariah

            I’m not afraid of people, I’m afraid of capitalism. Which is the source of most of the issue here regarding “money talks”. It brings the worst out in people a lot of the time.

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            Money breeds entitlement
            edit: or a sense of entitlement

          • Pariah

            And greed. Yeah.

  • Nikola

    Well to be perfectly honest what kind of “quality women” will fall for this kind of stuff?? You are not going to find a girlfriend or anyone worth dating with this kind of stuff, sure maybe a one nighter or something like that BUT I really doubt stupid cheesy seminars will help you find a girl I am sorry…Just man up!

    • Pariah

      Just as an aside, I think the term “Man up” is rather sexist too. What defines a man? “Man up” is used too often, much like “don’t be a pussy”. It’s sexist, both to men and women. But that’s just my two cents worth.

      • Bagel

        What defines a man? A penis and DEEEZ NUTTTTZZZ

        im sorry ._. forgive me

        • Pariah

          haha yeah but that’s the entire point. That’s the only thing that should define us. Same goes for women. But in society that’s rarely, if ever, the case.

          • Bagel

            Dont forget that we can show our nipples in public. DAMN THAT FREEDOM FEELS GOOD.

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            Please, keep those inside your shirt sir.

          • Pariah

            Moobs are offensive to sensitive viewers? O_o

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            Admiral is as flat chested as Ken. No moobs there. (I got your back Admiral – kind of)

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Gee, thanks, I suppose. Although that is not true. I got mini moobs

          • DragonSpirit009

            I think that’s the only thing I’m jealous about. Being a woman in summer sucks!

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            I just keep my shirt on at all times for fear of blinding people when the sun catches my paper-white skin.

          • Pariah

            I take it one step further. I don’t go outside. XD

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            Wise

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Well you can wear a dress, while we have to wear long pants for work

          • DragonSpirit009

            Wearing a dress in Strand is dangerous… ‘n regte mannetjies wind!

          • Bagel

            Y’all can wear those nip cup things?

            I dunno what they are called.
            Nip shields? Nip Cups? Bedazzled Nips?

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Pasties?

          • Bagel

            I dunno Miley uses them alot on instagram.
            I know because of research >_>

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Isolation tape?

          • Bagel

            oomfg please use tape and report back on your findings.

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            NOOO MY NIPPLE HAAAAAAAAAIR

          • Pariah

            They are indeed called pasties. And only porn stars and Miley use them.

            I mean. What?

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            If they are porn start, surely they are NOT wearing them?

          • Pariah

            *in public

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Ah, I’m not very knowledgeable on the doings of those people

          • DragonSpirit009

            Yeah no I don’t think work will allow that XD

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            Those disturb me. It’s like putting a sock….you know…
            No.

          • Bagel

            Dont act like you haven’t at least tried it

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            The sock or the nipple thing?

            Wait….why am I even asking?

          • Bagel

            ayyy lmao.
            I got nothing to add. this got weird fast

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Nope, escalated properly, keeping with Lazygamer ‘standards’

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Sock on your c0ck?

        • konfab

          The Y chromosome does it for me.

          • Pariah

            Yeah, but Y?

          • konfab

            Because woman find it seXY.
            🙂

          • Pariah

            That’s so good. Damn. So good. This article is comment of the week material it seems.

          • Bagel

            😐

            waow.

        • Commander JJ of the Normandy

          lol

      • I agreeeeeeeeeeeeee.

        • Bagel

          Your overuse of the letter “e” is sexist and needs to change.

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            He is SO insensitive!

        • Pariah

          With me? For real? O_O

    • Commander JJ of the Normandy

      I get what you’re about, and I agree.
      But for many guys it’s not as easy as just “manning up”. And a lot of them do get desperate. Desperate enough to use this. Society created this business after all, not the other way around.

      • Nikola

        Very true, look it’s not always easy finding a girl I understand that hell it’s not for me either at the moment hahaha. I just feel these kind of things are dodgy,creepy and it doesn’t really help anyone in the long run instead of learning real social skins you falling for pretty much a scam.

        • Commander JJ of the Normandy

          True.
          These kind of things exist everywhere.
          There’s a “scam” for every emotion that people feel.

          • Pariah

            Love is a scam… It’s a plot by women to secretly control and subvert the male race.

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            This man speaks truth!
            I have been fooled by my wife for years! I don’t really like making her coffee every morning…she made me believe that I do!!
            (I think this comments section has reached its peak now)

          • Pariah

            *peek

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            xD

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            *screenshot saved, 2015-10-13-jj-blackmail.jpg

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            LOL

          • Nikola

            hahaha I think just maybe hey now you guys are going to be labeled sexist!

          • Nikola

            BOOM!!! hahaha might have felt like that a few time;) But you learn lol;)

    • DragonSpirit009

      The problem is some women who are decent can sometimes get caught up or “tricked” and believe some of these men because they also wanted to beloved. I mean sure a girl should realise this but sometimes the heart kicks the brains butt.

      • Nikola

        Very true look it can happen both ways to be honest I’ve seen it happen! Guys also get crushed by women that do the same thing….But this is exactly the reason why this is soooo disgusting trying to manipulate another human being into falling for you, giving you their hearth and then literally breaking that person it pisses me off! and it leaves scars. But should they be there at Rage if they paid like everyone else sure do I think what they doing is morally right hell NO!!!

        • DragonSpirit009

          I’ve seen it happen to both as well and I myself have been a victim to this.
          So I feel… what a nice word… Don’t know but I don’t businesses like that

          • Nikola

            Yeah I wish nobody would do business like that but hey world we live in:(

            Going to go home play games after this depressing comments and article today we all need it;) lol

          • DragonSpirit009

            I’m hoping flatmate will cook dinner so I can play games XD

          • Pariah

            Holding thumbs for you then. XD

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            I send you a prayed to the gaming gods 😉

          • DragonSpirit009

            Thanks… Hopefully he won’t talk me into making the food again. I still don’t know how that happened! O.O

          • Brady miaau

            Well, is it not because you make the best food? 🙂 Tried that on my wife.

            I still reflexively duck when she says my name, though.

          • DragonSpirit009

            XD
            I don’t know to tell the truth. I know my friends like my food. I don’t know if he likes my food.
            But yeah I don’t think that statement would work on any woman that easily.

          • Grand Admiral Chief

            Much to learn, you still have

  • konfab

    A gay person, or someone pretending should have asked these guys if their tips would work catching men.

  • Those are pretty loose criterias to get in. I would think that some common sense would be employed too…

    • Weanerdog

      You let me in your house, I don’t think you are qualified to comment.

      • Commander JJ of the Normandy

        I let him in my house. Beat that! ;P

        • LOL

        • Weanerdog

          I assume he used some sort of self help guru trick to get you to agree to that.

          • Commander JJ of the Normandy

            Come to think of it….I don’t remember anything of that entire day!
            He trixed me! 😉

          • Pariah

            Wait, so that means…. RINCE IS A WOMAN?!

      • I had OvG ready 0-O

  • Happy Meal

    could not agree more with you. Could not believe when I saw the stand very insulting. RAGE is a celebration all things Gaming and Tech including the people that support it.

  • I still feel that the organisers of rAge need to be a little more sensitive to the topics currently revolving around the gaming and tech industry. It’s easy to say they aren’t explicit (Which they aren’t) or that they didn’t contravene any of the rules around being allowed to display (They didn’t) but as far as appropriateness? I don’t think it’s appropriate at all.

  • WitWolfy

    In the old days when I was in my prime.. A few beers ALWAYS gave me confidence to talk to girls. Now I just look at those guys and pity them..

    How hard can it be to say hi to someone and get them to sleep with you? Its so easy on Sims 😉

  • Francois Knoetze

    Man and here I was thinking that the whole pickup thing went back underground o.O…Read “The Game” by Style. Actually tried some of the stuff myself and for most parts it worked but hell nothing beats being yourself. Then I met my wife and all went out the door.

    I think these guys saw a gap since us gamers are put in a box and people think we can’t interact with others. Which isn’t the case at all. Agree that they shouldn’t be at the show though but kudos to them for trying at least.

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