Now a lot of people have been saying that COD4 is going to look much better on the PS3 than it will on the Xbox 360. It was finally going to show why the PS3 is a better gaming console. However the news trickling in is that it doesn’t look any better at all.
Obviously this is causing some people to get a little upset and has even prompted Jim Kahle from the IBM Cell Project to jump in.
Kahle said that the next-generation of gaming is taking on more than just pushing graphics to extremes. He indicated that artificial intelligence (AI) will be higher on the priority list than ever before.
Now forgive me if I am losing the plot but hasn’t the PS3 been nailed quite a few times for bad AI already? Someone should tell Jim that when you decide to shift the goal posts you should move them to your strong areas…
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Last Updated: October 16, 2007
Tan365
October 16, 2007 at 11:50
U really do go on abt the ‘bad ai’ thing … Where is this bad AI info? Please point me in a “completed” PS3 game that has this bad AI you speak of. Have you actually played the PS3 for a decent amount of time? (exclude all motorstorm kiosks)
Anyways there hasnt been great AI improvements since around Far Cry and FEAR were introduced (ie. enemy finding cover, flanking etc). So i’ll be interested to receive ur bad AI info and what u base the standard as a comparison to.
Burns ZA
October 16, 2007 at 11:53
Ouch! Really I was hoping this was going to come off for the PS3. So I can bin yet another title on my must haves for PS3.
Burns ZA
October 16, 2007 at 11:58
Weren’t initial Kill Zone 2 impressions also going on about bad AI? This may be sorted though before it’s released.
abev
October 16, 2007 at 12:02
Um am I missing some thing??
This piece of news only states that the graphics are more on par with the other versions as opposed to being better (Still Good). Nowhere does it say that the AI is bad, it just says that more effort is being put into making the AI great in next gen games.
Now I havent heard rumours that the ps3 graphics arnt going to be better, in fact I have seen many many images to prove that the ps3 version will be better!
On the AI issue, I agree with Tan, I am yet to experience bad AI in a game on ps3.
This article is actually weird, it doesnt really say anything, except that maybe devs are working harder on ps3 AI and it certainly doesnt prove anything!
Burns ZA
October 16, 2007 at 12:15
I think the point of the article is pretty clear. As of yet the PS3 graphically has been a let down. It’s not that the graphics have been bad, just that the whole point of Sony including such an advanced chip, coupled with all the other technical enhancements it’s purported to contain was to blow the opposition away. All we have heard is how great the graphics will be. Now that they are clearly not, old Jim is basically saying next gen games are concentrating on other areas, for instance AI. This statement is clearly to take the heat off the bold statements made up until now about the consoles graphical expertise. The irony is that the AI that they have been concentrating on has come under some criticism too. That is Lazy’s point.
LazySAGamer
October 16, 2007 at 12:26
Thanks Burns, yes that is the point. We all heard about these 4D graphics which never appeared. We were then told about lazy developers, now they are saying the graphics won’t get any better and they are working on AI instead. The AI of PS3 games has never been better than the 360 and there has been a lot of complaints about it.
@Tan, how about a game that the devs refused to develop on the PS3 due to bad AI?http://www.gameplayer.com.au/Home/PREVIEWS/PREVIEWGAME/tabid/1484/Default.aspx?CID=bb1443ed-30f8-4eb2-b212-8926111caf49&v7Pager=3
abev
October 16, 2007 at 14:30
I cant think you can judge the PS3’s graphics on 1st gen titles, the ps3’s first gen titles are matching and in some cases toppling 3rd gen titles on the xbox in terms of graphics. They PS3 will have its day and it shall be glorious, perhaps not 4D (retarded term) but it will def be way better than the current standard!
LazySAGamer
October 16, 2007 at 15:03
@abev, but that is the point of this article, IBM are saying they don’t expect the graphics to get any better than they are already… It’s a very strange thing to say
Tan365
October 16, 2007 at 15:11
i get an error on that link lazy. But anyway, where are these bad AI PS3 “COMPLETED” PS3 games you speak of? And abt graphics,there is nothing at the moment that i have seen bettering HS in terms of graphics …u should really play the first chapter of HS, ur jaw will drop.
But again … Bad AI? Hype i say … prove me wrong coz i’ve played plenty PS3 games and there arent any AI issues. What i notice is that at present it is harder for devs to cope with the PS3, including AI. But Bad AI? show me plz
papa-action
October 16, 2007 at 15:26
@LazySAGamer Please quote the exact piece of text where they state that they dont expect the graphics to get any better than they already are. This IBM oke simple states that there will be more focus on the AI.
LazySAGamer
October 16, 2007 at 15:31
@Tan,Hmm tru this link
http://www.lazygamer.co.za/ps3/ps3s-to-dumb-and-the-wii-is-not-powerful-enough/
As for games completed with bad AI, Rainbow 6’s AI was worse than the 360 even though it had additional development time
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/reviews/review.phtml/1974/2998/Tom-clancys-rainbow-six-vegas.phtml
@papa: “I think we’ve got to get back to where is this edge of graphics going to be. I’m not sure that pushing the graphics all the way to the extreme edge is where people are going to go”
Yes it can be interpreted in many ways but he is saying we should stop concentrating on gfx, after the rumours went around that the PS3 version will be better looking than the 360 version.
Tan365
October 16, 2007 at 15:51
@Lazy, is it new that devs of exclusives say such? … and this was debunked. -> http://www.ps3land.com/article-820.php
Secondly i’ve never played RB6 on PS3, did on PC and the AI was standard. I’ve never heard of the site u linked 🙂 .. but regardless, thats a 360 review anyway boet… are u serious?
Where is this bad AI lazy? there is no proof, only speculation and suggestion. Lets concentrate on facts and not hearsay, whispers etc.
LazySAGamer
October 16, 2007 at 16:04
@Tan sorry dude I am swamped at work and trying to answer questions, getting it all pear shaped.
The AI that we have seen in MGS4 has been terrible, the AI we have seen in Assassins Creed has been terrible, The AI we have seen in Killzone 2 has been terrible.
Yes none of these games are out and only time will tell.
It is difficult to concentrate on facts alone when we are talking about games that haven’t been released 🙂
Still waiting for those 4D graphics though, you need to remember that Sony made these promises and now cannot keep them. Until they start being a bit more humble they will keep getting the slack
Tan365
October 16, 2007 at 16:22
i know you will certainly be on the ball in giving them slack, its become quite the hobbie it seems… and no, u cannot underplay unfinished games to suite your opinion mate.
But again, end of Lazy, the PS3 games available do not have AI issues, and there are many games out. So why u choose to base ur opinion of the “PS3 being dumb, PS3 has bad AI” on the unfinished games that i could count on my fingers that are not out yet is pretty swak and is what leads to people saying this site is baised and that u are “XBOX yes, PS3 no”
Just be balanced and stop over analysing and please TRY practice a lil patience. later
abev
October 16, 2007 at 16:33
Ok everyone, lets all take a deep breath in…ahhh..
Lazy is giving us a service, so lets not take what he does for granted. Sure this article is a bit wonky, and I feel it is totally unecessary as it IMO doesnt actually achieve anything. Only time will tell with games like MGS4 and Assasins creed, but I truely believe that come this time next year the PS3’s graphics will be miles beyond the xbox and the alleged AI issues will be a distant memory!
doobiwan
October 16, 2007 at 17:07
I love the amount of faith the Sony faithful place in the likes of Killzone 2, and the importance they place on graphics.
Remember Lair. Remember Killzone 1, Remember “This generation doesn’t start until we say it does . . ” Sony habitually over hypes and under deliver.
Halo3 graphics are great. But it’s not what sells the game.
BioShock is technically not so much a marvel but the revolution is in the gameplay and artstyle.
Crackdown graphics are downright last gen cartoony.
Gears is gorgeous but the mechanics are also revolutionary.
Warhawk looks dodgy but it’s fun to play.
PillsburyDeeBoy
October 16, 2007 at 17:49
When I first read Lazy’s post, I thought to myself, well, dude, you do seem to bash the PS3 quite a bit more than you probably should 🙂 . Then I read some of the responses…tsk tsk.
I must admit, in terms of AI, the PS3 hasn’t done anything great, yet, and all the games Lazy cites for having bad AI had/have exactly that at some point in their development and preview cycle. Now, who is to say this won’t change, but this is the nature of the PS3 at present: “We’re always talking about what is to come and how great it’ll be because nothing great is out right now. Whereas the 360, admittedly out a year longer, has games available on shelves today to comment on.”
Oh, as for bad AI, am I the only person who’se noticed the Heavenly Sword ‘trigger points’, where, until you walk past a specific point, the ‘trigger’, your enemies do nothing? That is sub-par AI at best.
LazySAGamer
October 16, 2007 at 20:00
@Pillsbury, yeah didn’t you know PS3 bashing is the new national sport 😀
Anyway about those trigger points, have you seen them in Halo 3 as well… it annoys me that. Most of the enemies are intelligent enough to see you coming and react but seriously they can be stupid sometimes.
Gazza ZA
October 17, 2007 at 11:27
I believe one of the previous AI issues with the PS3 was concerning Assassins creed, witch then would lead me to believe there would be the same issue concerning the next splinter cell and so on.