PS3 can’t keep up with the 360

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Ps3 will never catch up

So we have now seen 12 rounds of Eurogamer face off’s come and go with the 360 always coming out tops. So why is that?

Well if a site by the name of product-review.net is to be believed then the PS3 is never going to beat the 360 purely because it can’t push out the same amount of polygons per second.

Apparently the Xbox 360 can push out 500 000 000 polygons per second while the PS3 struggles to 275 000 000 per second. So when the developers decide to cross platform a game they have to drop down the 360’s ability so that the PS3 can keep up.

Well if that isn’t flame bait I don’t know what is but it raises a point, why is the PS3 constantly losing these cross platform comparisons?

Source: Product-Reviews.net

Last Updated: July 7, 2008

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  • SlippyMadFrog

    This is going to get heated. Anywho…

    I don’t know precisely where this article get it’s numbers from but it sounds suspect. Can’t the cell also help out with poligons? I don’t think you can assign a simple number of poligons per second to each console, there must be other factors as well.
    The multiplat showdowns have show the above as holding some sort of truth but it sounds suspect.

  • abe

    Hey Monday is the new Friday 🙄
    But seriously I will say it again, why is it that one site can say something and its taken as golden? Eurogamer is a single entity and why you place so much emphisis on its “findings” is beyond me. Nearly everygame released in the last six months has been said to be better on each platform by various different sites, including many legit sites that will tell you the ps3 versions run and look better. Plus no one can deny the insane beauty of MGS4

  • But, we know this already. 😉

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  • Milesh Bhana ZA

    I’m sure that depending on the benchmark, you’ll see some pretty varied results. I do find it hard to believe that the raw polygon-pushing power of the 360 is roughly double that of the PS3.

    (I’d easily believe a 30% difference, 360 in the lead though)

  • SlippyMadFrog

    You said this in the other thread as well. I asked you for links to the sites you claim are saying the PS3 versions looked better but you didn’t answer me. Maybe you will answer me now?

  • kabraal

    Well, I truly don’t care about these comparisons anymore. I know what the PS3 can do and I know what the 360 can do. You really need two TVs for a side by side comparison to actually see notice a difference if any for that matter. Games on both PS3 and 360 look great. If I can have some more of these games for the years ahead, I’d be pretty happy.

    Btw, I think we can now stop referring to these consoles as “next gen.” My R1000 PC gfx card pushed more polygons than those two combined….

  • Milesh Bhana ZA

    LOL the PC gfx card doesn’t count. You’d probably find that the game runs smoother on the console (either one) because Windoze saps half the [email protected] resources. 🙂

    As for the two TV thing. Remember: A true fanboi can tell the REAL resolution and frame rate at a glance. 🙂

  • LazySAGamer

    I also hate the next gen tag but until the next buzzword is released we are stuck with it since Sony hasn’t given up on the PS2 yet

  • abe

    I dont have time to pull the millions of links together.
    But yoou know as well as I do that there has been more than plenty sites that prefer the PS3 on many games such as Burnout,COD, GTA, DMC4, B-BC actually as I said pretty much every game since the end of last year!

  • kabraal

    That was not my point. The point was that we’re comparing yester years technology with each other.

    Anyhow, I’m enjoying mass effect on the PC very much. Apparently it has some huge graphical enhancements over the 360 all because of a thing we can tech progression.

    “Remember: A true fanboi can tell the REAL resolution and frame rate at a glance.”

    Well then that confirms it for me. I’ve had my doubts but if your statement holds true, I’m no fanboy. Maybe I should try harder. 🙂

  • Fox1

    “So when the developers decide to cross platform a game they have to drop down the 360’s ability”
    I was thinking the same thing :mrgreen:

  • Fox1

    ATI did say back in 2005 that the 360 will have better graphics than the PS3.
    http://play.tm/story/6095

  • LazySAGamer

    Actually Abe very few sites have claimed that after the game has been released.

    Visually I don’t think any major site has ever given the PS3 a win.

  • Fred

    It is clear now that the ps3 needs a bit of special attention to get games running as well as on the xbox , as in COD4, but it can be done.

  • SlippyMadFrog

    Actualy, I don’t know of “plenty” sites that gave the PS3 the win. As LG explained to you on the previous thread, Eurogamer is the only site that uses the correct techniques to come to a conclusion.

  • RivaZA

    Whilst I smile with glee at anything that says that the 360 is better than the PS3 as much as the next guy, the Xenos is a unified shader chip. Since the shader processors can do either pixel or vertex operations is that figure of 500,000,000 not meaning if that entire GPU was dedicated to vertex processing?

  • darthdad

    “ATI” :mrgreen:

  • abe

    And I suppose the right technique is giving the xbox the victory? Ag get real! Stop being blindsighted by fanboyism and accept that the xbox and ps3 are equal!

  • Tan365

    The argument would have an eckling of truth if these multi-platform games were even close to the graphical standards of a Heavenly Sword, Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted & now MGS4. Quite frankly, these 4 titles hit the cross-platformers over the bleachers.

  • Lupus

    Wow fanboyism, if you want to defend your purchase go ahead. The original Xbox was far superior to the PS2 in almost everyway, but the PS2 did far better because of games. That is what it all boils down to.

  • SlippyMadFrog

    “And I suppose the right technique is giving the xbox the victory?”
    No, go read what LG replied to you last time. You’re being silly now.

    “Stop being blindsighted by fanboyism and accept that the xbox and ps3 are equal!”
    lol! That sentance is hard to believe coming from you Abe. I thought the PS3 was WAY better 😉

  • SlippyMadFrog

    Well, you can say that GeOW, Bioshock also hits PS3/360 multiplats out of the park…
    You’ll never know what those PS3 exclusives will look like on the 360. Maybe they will look just as good, maybe not. At the moment the only realistic way of comparing the consoles performance wise is with multiplats.

  • Tan365

    There’s no hope with u madfrog, u always miss the point. Ok, here goes in a fool proof version –> Multiplats are predominantly the lowest common denominator and/or are not fully optimized.

  • Ace

    This guy works for microsoft. No seriously. Fanboyism aside. Search the net.

    Not sure how reputable this website is but i found it without searching to much. It seems to think ps3 can do about 500 – 700 million polygons per second.
    http://www.jlsnet.co.uk/index.php?page=ps_specs

    Read this article it explains alot
    http://www.thesixthaxis.com/cod4_a_burden_on_ps3_blog_1276_tsa.aspx

    I know its a ps3 website but its seems more legit than the other article

  • abe

    And IMO the ps3 has the games which I want more

  • SlippyMadFrog

    I understood you Tan. Let me translate my reply to you:
    Although the PS3 exclusives are much better than multiplats, it doesn’t mean that the PS3 is more powerfull than the Xbox360, it doesn’t make the article false.

    No need to get personal Tan, I’m just looking for a light hearted debate. 🙂

  • kabraal

    Wait, this article is all about claiming the 360 to be the most powerful console, not the other way around so I’ll reverse your comment. Sorry. Although the PS3 usually pulls on the short end of the multi platform titles, it doesn’t mean the 360 is more powerful than the PS3, and hence doesn’t make this article true either.

    I’ve yet to see a difference between multi platforms that remotely causes me to bother anyway. If they want to start getting all technical with polygon counts etc, then they really need to use the best both consoles have to offer. You can’t compare technical performance of two F1 cars by putting an experienced driver into one and an inexperienced driver in another.

    I believe that if I want to make a choice which one is the best, I’ll look at the best both have to offer. Quite simple really. I.e. I’ll compare gears of war with uncharted for example. Yeah, they are two totally different games, but at least you know, this is how it looks like, and this game used the most optimized engine tech available. Not a copy and pasted port. So putting on my fanboy biased hat on, I’ll say MGS4, Uncharted, GT5p and from what I’ve seen of the HD gameplay video of killzone 2, the PS3 leaves the 360 in the dust technically. I’ve no belief in someone trying to sell me polygon count numbers.

    Guess we’ll have to wait for Bioshock. Now there we’ll have a multi platform game which, by the sound of things, will be optimized for PS3. Don’t be surprised if they’ll look the same…

  • RivaZA

    The simple fact is the 360 is much more well thought out machine. The PS3 is a slapped together mesh of badly designed parts. It’s a pity that so many people have been duped by Sony’s double speak.

  • abe

    Yea RRoD was very well thought out.
    Carefull Fanboyism causes impotency!

  • darthdad

    🙄 lol

  • SlippyMadFrog

    I agree with you that if you own just one console, you’re not realy missing out no matter what version of a multiplat you buy. The only way you will notice if you put them side by side.

    “I’ll compare gears of war with uncharted for example. Yeah, they are two totally different games, but at least you know, this is how it looks like, and this game used the most optimized engine tech available”
    True, but the problem is that it’s two different teams, working with two different gfx engines. Maybe the one team is better than the other. Maybe the Uncharted team can make Uncharted look even better on the 360, maybe not. To me the best test is to take ONE team and let them work on BOTH consoles with the SAME engine (built from scratch for both consoles). To me that seems like the best comparable test.
    Not all multiplats are ports. The PS3 COD4 team created the engine from ground up for the PS3 so technicaly it’s not a port.
    “I’ll say MGS4, Uncharted, GT5p and from what I’ve seen of the HD gameplay video of killzone 2, the PS3 leaves the 360 in the dust technically”
    This is the same argument as above. Different teams and different engines. Maybe they can put KZ2 on the 360 and it will look the same? Theres no way of telling.

  • Tan365

    I can only find irony in ur statement regarding ‘badly designed, not well thought out’ Riva but i’m still pretty sure there’s a masterclass gem of lesson in humour somewhere there that i cannot seem to find. Please awash me with a dumbed down version so i can understand 🙄

  • wwemark

    RivaZA, you swop your two statements around and replace sony with microsoft…

  • Hey this discussion is moot. The PS3 has Blu-Ray. It is the winner. Blu-Ray shits on polygon counts.

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  • Abe, I think the details are in the GTA comparison, but Eurogamer use a proper process that measures things like the framerate, exactly, not just “eyeballing” it.

    What they show is things like, PS3’s “vaseline effect” where everything looks a bit mushy, that some folks say they like? It’s blur compensation because the PS3 can’t anti alias as well as the 360. So unlike a subjective comparison of “Oh I like X”, the 360 wins because it’s powerful enough to implement features that the PS3 can’t.

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  • @abe, So no kids for you then? 😛

    @tan,

    Any time someone says “yah well, the exclusives are better than anything” they need a smack upside the head. While I won’t dispute that those games are pretty, so were some PS2 games, even n64 games for that matter.

    As impossible as it may seem, if you look at those games objectively, they are no better (and in some cases significantly worse) than some of the cross platform games, “Oh the exclusives are better,” is just a pathetic argument to cling to when know you’re losing.

    But I forget, Sony fanboys like to count cutscenes as “game graphics”, my bad.

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  • kabraal

    In my books, you’ve just won yourselfs the idiotic post of the week award. Congratulations.

  • Tan365

    1. so let me get this straight … it is best to measure a consoles’ performance according to the least optimized games that look the least advanced? flip! u know, 9 times out of 10 u spew a lot of irrational xbot shit on most of the local msg boards and this is just another… take a break buddie, seriously; for everyone’s benefit.

    2. The games i listed have been graphical benchmarks & all use in-game/in-engine graphics there lad.

    Ur post is utter tripe!

  • Undertakerza

    Kabraal no need to argue with these guys, some have the IQ of a rockspider, they should rather concentrate building a pedestal with Legos for their RROD Box, ag sorry mean 360. 😛

  • The Wii is the most advanced console. It can push out 500,000,000,000,000,000 polygons per second. It is also used to calculate huge medical formulas and can also run all PS3 and 360 games at 167FPS, easily. It just hasn’t been harnessed yet!!!! He He. Why does this debate continue, what is the goal!!!!!

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  • kabraal

    “Why does this debate continue, what is the goal!!!!!”

    Because it’s posted as “news” on a weekly basis on a webiste we like and a website we like to see as SA’s equivelant to kotaku or joystiq…

  • Milesh Bhana

    yep, at least once a week a “reputable” website will favour one console over the other. So it’d get posted here. It’s mostly to generate traffic seeing that fanboys are sooo touchy.

    As a 360 fanboi. I couldn’t care if the PS3 wins the war. As long as i have enough good games to play, enough friends to jam with on Live, I’ve won the console war. If you’re an MGS fan, you’ve just won the war for yourself. THat’s just how it works.

  • RivaZA

    I am talking on a performance level not a reliability level. Besides I have been luckiy, I only had to change my 360 twice.

  • Lol, no, that’s not what i’m saying.

    Exclusives certainly have the potential to be some of the best looking games on a platform. What I’m saying is firstly, there has been no objective technical analysis of the subject with which to compare, it’s the GTA “eyeball” versus “measured” thing, which is unreliable.

    Secondly, I’m saying that it’s numb nuts like you that will vomit praise over anything as being the photorealistic messiah, just because it’s exclusive. Resistance versus GoW comes to mind…

    I don’t profess any 360 exclusives to be “better than anything on the PS3” because I cannot be objective about it. That has always been the difference between your ilk and me. While you’ve been shooting your mouth off professing your undying love for the omnipotence of your toy, the Xbox has gone on it’s merry way and PROVEN its capabilities, so much so that your precious’ greatest achievement, life to date, has been to ape 2 year xbox features, which even now it can’t get right.

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  • 10 points. Have some rep. Doh! 😉

    doobiwan’s last blog post..The Games that made the consoles

  • Tan365

    lol.. u trumpet how multiplats prove a console’s summit & i gave a counter to that with the titles i listed. U on the other hand merely rambled rubbish without any facts or multiplat titles that better the games i mentioned. This is what i mean by ur ‘irrational xbot shit.’

    Secondly,U call me a numb nut for praising graphical benchmarks as messiahs? i’d luv u to quote me on that. I merely Mentioned titles that surpass multiplats hence making this ‘article’ moot. U on the other hand? more irrational irrelevant shit. Also note the article is abt polygon etc so i’m on topic …u? just talking rubbish.

    Thirdly, u say i’ve been shooting my mouth professing undying love for my toy? You are exceptionally deluded. I am not the one on countless blogs,sites,forums etc going on with anti-PS3 pro-Xbox rubbish. I am not the one with a 1 member blog on why my toy is great.

    So again, u post utter baseless tripe away from the topic. Like i said earlier… give it a break, try it; keep ur ‘comments’ to urself for a wk … just a wk my son. It’ll be good for all of us.

  • SlippyMadFrog

    Too bad that RROD Box pushes more polygons than your Blu-Ray player.

    Sorry Undertaker, I just couldn’t keep my mouth shut, this thread went to hell and I missed it. I just wanted to contribute my share of fanboy mindlessness. :mrgreen:

  • darthdad

    😯 Wow! Spite levels are getting up there.
    And it’s not the PS3 fanboys this time.
    Why? 😉

  • SlippyMadFrog

    Why?

  • Why?

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  • JimBob

    What?

  • SlippyMadFrog

    Oops, seems like Jinja and JimBob are confused

    “And it’s not the PS3 fanboys this time.
    Why?”

  • SlippyMadFrog

    ❗ ❗ ❗
    It only posted half of my reply. strange

    I meant to ask darthdad to elaborate more on his post.

  • darthdad

    @SlippyMadFrog, I like a bit of banter and debate as much as the next person. The level of personal insults and aggressive responses however is uncalled for in my opinion. And it does seem to be the 360 fans that are hurling the abuse more often.
    Hence I asked the question ‘Why?’ 😐

  • Who?

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  • JimBob

    When?

  • kabraal

    That time of year I suppose, they are probably suffering from new exclusive gamelessnessness and overall general xbox eventlessnessness… oh except for rumours of a uber Tom Cruise style holographic dashboard interface thingy and the odd GeOW screens… 😛

  • SlippyMadFrog

    Fair enough, I wasn’t calling you out or anything. I just wanted you to elaborate.

    “And it does seem to be the 360 fans that are hurling the abuse more often.”
    Disagree completely. BOTH sides are guilty of this. Looking at this thread, how did you come to that conclusion since all I can see is personal insults being made by both sides?

  • SlippyMadFrog

    Also, whats up with using this -> 😐 emoticon after your post. You complain about insults and then you sneak one in yourself just because I replied with “why” to your post. Whats up with that?

  • darthdad

    No problem Slippy. You are always very balanced with your comments, and digs 😉 .
    I have re-read the thread and in hindsight you’re correct, the abuse is pretty even. Maybe I’m just getting a bit tired of the whole ‘bash console time’ debates.

  • SlippyMadFrog

    Cool, I just read your reply above, ignore this post

  • Easy Tiger, It was called a joke sunshine, trust me, I work on the site and I know what it takes to push out the work on a daily basis. I Just don’t get the debate all the time, but I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion!! I have no stance in this debate, I have all the consoles, and I love them all!!!

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  • Lol, keep going, that’s an awesome hole you’re digging.

    I am pro Xbox, of that there is little doubt, but unlike you and your brethren I’m not “anti-PS3” which is what seems to totally blow your noodle.

    You and many others take more pleasure in hating the Xbox than you do from actually enjoying PS3 games, otherwise you wouldn’t go off like such a nana using unprovable hyperbole.

    My point was simple. To compare you have to do apples to apples, everything else is too subjective. Anyone who tries to do otherwise is an idiot or an insurance company.

    doobiwan’s last blog post..The Games that made the consoles

  • Tan365

    u’re more delusion then 1st thought. I merely rebutted this article’s premise with empirical evidence of superior titles to its multiplats & u’ve called me a fanboy, a numb nut, an idiot deserving of a smack etc etc ‘sigh’ ur bull is long winded, baseless, offers no facts & is merely a reply for the sake of replying. Something u’ve made a shameful art.

    You’re not just pro-360 mate … u troll & troll & troll & troll & troll anti-ps3 nonsense since what seems like an eternity now. U are by definition a true xbot in ur own league. Now plz if u r to reply… offer a rebuttal, not more inane ramblings that question ur age and/or social development.

    Abt ur comparison, 360 optimised vs PS3 non-optimised is not apples to apples & not a true reflection of a console’s power where the titles i mentioned outperform the multiplats graphically, end of. On ur bike now.

  • RivaZA

    No I think it is mostly the PS3 fanboys. They just touchy about their under performing investment.

  • kabraal

    “You and many others take more pleasure in hating the Xbox than you do from actually enjoying PS3 games”

    Doobiwan, you are_completly_missing the point. Go and read the article in the OP:

    Claim: 360 Pushes twice the amount of polygons than the PS3.
    Conclusion: PS3 must be holding the 360 back.

    You try to watch your back by coming over as the god send anti-fanboy who just wants to get on with his life and enjoy his games, yet you’ll defend your stance and opinions to the end without giving a single form of acknowledgement that someone’s might actually have a valid point.

    Multi platforms are developed for multi platforms. In most cases for the 360, PS3 and for the PC. In some cases it’s even developed for the Wii, DS and PSP all simultaneously. Some of these games used by your god (eurogamer) are games like Ironman with little to no actual passion to deliver a quality product. I can put my life on the line that 90%+ of developers do not delevelop, from the ground up, 3-6 different game engines, each taking 100% advantage to every platform. Somewhere along the line, something’s gotta give and compromises have to made to save time and to safe money. Yes, the PS3 usually receives the least amount of love. Why? Well it’s simple, 360 have more install base and historically way better software sales. If I were to develop a game today, I’d develop it for the 360. Plain and simple.

    Now I ask you, what happens if one multi platform comes out that looks better (or the same) on the PS3 than on the 360. COD4? GTA4? What happens if Bioshock looks shockingly similar to the 360 version? And remember; focus on the point in the OP. Your whole method for comparing hardware will fail epically. Does the slightest known differences between these those above mentioned versions make the OP true. That’s what we’ve been arguing about and that’s what we are saying. I’ll rather use my subjective method. We all know what the 360 (GeOW, GeOW2) can do and we all know what the PS3 (Uncharted, MGS) can do. Yes you won’t be able to summit a thesis using that comparison but why the hell would you want to anyway. The only thing those eurogamer comparisons show is the preferred system to make games for. It definitely does not show which console has the most muscle.

    And nobody is out to get you …seriously…. No one hates you or your xbox. You can remove that electric fences, ADT alarms and motion sensor around you xbox. No one will pitch up at you home 3am, bash your head in and rape you xbox. I promise.

  • kabraal

    And yes the GPU in the PS3 is not powerful enough to handle AA like the 360’s so before you come with your “Vaseline look” theory about the PS3 is not able to handle AA, go read up on deferred rendering with AA. That’s how you how you make a game for the PS3. That’s the direction Uncharted and MGS strived to take and that’s what direction both Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 to is going. That’s the strength of the PS3 and pretty much 0% of cross platform developers use it as of yet because they develop games primarily for the GPU. That’s why I call BS on you eurogamer comparison approach and BS on the OP.

  • darthdad

    Ok RivaZA.

  • Kabraal, while I sincerely appreciate the amount of effort that went into that. Realise no-one is going to read it.

    Tan, you’re a hypocrite too no less. You blatantly claim, without justification that exclusives are superior, but you can provide no evidence to support that claim except your own blinkered perception. Yet accuse me of trolling when I say “prove it”. Go on. Prove it, Quantitatively.

    doobiwan’s last blog post..The Games that made the consoles

  • kabraal

    Thanks, that proves to me that I’m trying to communicate with a teenager. I shall therefore not bother to have a conversation with you again.

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