Racism continues in the local DOTA 2 scene

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Here we go again

Earlier this week I posted an article about Racism in the local eSports scene that garnered over 200 comments and caused a huge stir on the local DOTA 2 Facebook page. Unfortunately there were quite a few people on the page that actually condoned the actions as well as a few who claimed the issue didn’t really happen like that.

To respond to both groups of people I’ve been given more evidence from the original infraction as well as some new issues that have come to light.

First up the issue between RapingNinja and Strider, I have now received high res images of their online chat which can be viewed here, here and here. It appears that Ninja is an incredibly naive child and I have to commend Strider for the way he acts in the chat. I for one wouldn’t be as calm when someone says something like this to me

No everyone doesn't say that

For our overseas guests the K word is possibly the worst word in the country. Yes worse than what you are thinking.

The original thread discussing this was removed by the page admin and the second thread was also removed yesterday. However the second thread’s removal is being claimed as a mistake by the thread originator.

Next up we have another local who has also been upset by the blatant racism online and has started his own page to name and shame offenders. I’d urge you to submit any incidents you see to him so that they can be posted on the site.

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The worst such incident I can see however is someone who is currently calling himself {DA}The Wrath of Kaptein Koos!!! but his previous names are a little more colourful. Please feel free to click the link and report him for racial abuse. The last time he played was 2 nights ago and he has put in 665 hours into DOTA 2 so you know he’s going to be upset when he can’t get into a game.

Scum

And then the latest incident happened in a game last night actually. All the detective work has been done by a member of the community and it appears to be pretty solid. 

As we can see here the player, Kusanagi, appears to not be very good at DOTA 2 getting killed twice in quick succession before abusing another player in the chat. Please feel free to click on his name above and report him to Valve with this image below as evidence. He’s played over 3000 hours of DOTA so will also be upset when he can’t play anymore.

kusanagi

However if you click his name you can see that he has previously played as pheryxia which is quite an unusual name, it’s an incorrectly spelled hero name. A quick search on that name brings us to the DGL player profile for Nazeer Solomon.

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Which says this 27 year old male plays for BerZerk Gaming where he is listed as a player in their DOTA 2 team. 

[Update] Berzerk Gaming has contacted us and confirmed that this player is not involved with their clan at all and is in fact part of of clan Insaniti

They also had the following to say

It is a strict rule in BzK to respect players in and outside of BzK 

I reached out to the local DOTA 2 community to see if we can get some contact details for BerZerk Gaming but either my access has been dropped or the entire community is now heavily moderated?

approval

I’d like to say thanks to the people who are sending me links to issues as well as providing more evidence against previous offenders. I wonder if the DGL can link their player lists to their official DOTA 2 profiles so we can make these links easier on all of us? For the record, sexist and homophobic slurs aren’t cool either. Stop it. 

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Last Updated: January 29, 2014

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  • Umar Break Dancing Cyborg

    “Like this is South Africa”
    “Who doesn’t say it”

    Only ignorant bigots say those things. Pointy Hat much asshole?

    • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

      Who doesn’t say it? Anyone with decency and respect for other human beings.

      *edit: How do people like this still exist? That poor persons parents failed. Hard.

      • Umar Break Dancing Cyborg

        Exactly…gives humans a bad name

      • Brian Murphy

        Or succeeded (In making their child as scummy as them). Children aren’t born this way, they’re taught it from somewhere, typically a parent or some other close relative when growing up.

    • Willem Van Wyk

      I understand the implications of the word and what it represents in our country and I am not a racist, but the word itself isn’t racism. Racism is discriminating against someone due to their race.

      This is just a pathetic insult from a bigot. People love insulting people on the internet, but why is this so offensive? I am white and get called white slurs, but I am not discriminated against, unless you include BEE.

      While I think this guy is a bigot, what I don’t get is why there is such a big “cry” over this? This has a lot more to do with appearance than actual racism, we insult people based on their religion, family, culture, countries (love hating Russians on DotA 2) and even other races, but we cannot use black people?

      I don’t think we should insult people at all, but this isn’t racism it is double standards…

      • Umar Break Dancing Cyborg

        Well, fair point sir….Maybe I got too hot headed. But such slurs, whether used to describe white/black people still breeds stigmas and could lead to racism. Sure, he may not be racist…and I probably went a bit overboard. But this type of talk should be eradicated from online communities…

        Racial insults are very touchy in this country. I’m coloured and I don’t mind racial jokes about my ethnicity or race, but once some form of negativity starts getting attached to that insult (or joke), it could lead to some very dark place.

        • ArchieChoke

          Btw. Don’t apologies, you did nothing wrong, I leave clans if I hear that word in TS from any memeber within the clan. Use such words and you carry on a legacy that is so wrong. I feel equal about it.

          • Umar Break Dancing Cyborg

            That is exactly my point. I’m usually a clam guy and I don’t like calling people names despite what they might be…But I feel the same. I think it’s time we stop tolerating it

          • georg

            youre making a stupid point

          • ArchieChoke

            Only stupid cause you dont think it hurts any1.please elaborate your opinion of you like to share opinions.

          • Zoidberg

            this.

          • ArchieChoke

            Ty you have a clear understanding.

          • antibitching

            you really think going on like a little bitch is going to change racial slurs in SA? lol newsflash its never ever ever ever going to die its like AIDS it will just keep on spreading. Do not try to argue with a racist you will make his hate for the certain hated race even more if its black or brown or white or asain its all around the world look into your own heart and mind and man the fuck up learn to live with the fact that this exists in the world>> nuff said and if you think otherwise welll…. grow some brains

          • ArchieChoke

            Typical mentality and attitude.sign in real life bro.man the fuck up and login with your facebook profile. Your nick shows how pussy you are yourself.

      • Fanie

        Exactly, its a joke that it can go one way but not another. I’ve been called a retarded dutchman (which is blatantly racist) but i dont give a shit cause i dont care. Saying shit on the internet shouldn’t effect you in real life. in fact, once you make a big deal of something said on the net, is basically an open invitation for people to act out even worse. If anyone isnt allowed to use any slurs that include the K word, then i must also be protected in the fact that my Afrikaans heritage shouldnt be attacked, neither my Christianity. Whats good for the goose, is good for the gander

        • FuRu

          Equal protection from racism…

          • WakeUpDude

            And who says you don’t. No one stated that you can only report certain words. If you feel that something someone said is racist then report them as well

        • AfricanAndProud

          Oh goodness. I was waiting for someone to post something like this. If you feel it is racist then report them. NO ONE IS STOPPING YOU. No one is saying it can only be specific words. You sound, to me, like a whiner (not someone who drinks wine). I am not sure calling someone retarded is racist (I got the feeling you are a bit). But the d!t#hman bit can see you might be sensitive too. Stop whining and do something.

      • IamAwesomeAndU?

        @Umar didn’t say it was racist “Only ignorant bigots say those things. Pointy Hat much asshole?”. And @Umar is entitled to his opinion (as are you), I do happen to agree with him. Also the word in question does have a terrible historical meaning attached to it, in the South African context. So no its has more than to do with appearance. I think we need a bit of empathy towards other people. And also the Internet never forgets!

  • oVg 60fps > 30fps

    How does one rape a ninja? You cant see them…

    Shock horror, the internet is also used by dicks.

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      I understood it to mean that it’s tiny penis caused no one to notice it trying to rape them.

      • Umar Break Dancing Cyborg

        Lol NinjaPenis. You can’t see it

        • Captain GUZ

          Lol NinjaPenis, gonna remeber that for next time I need to belittle somone

      • RinceThis2014

        HAHAHAHA! Or he’s so quick you never knew he was there?

        • Mossel

          Like surprise buttsex…only quicker.

    • Eric

      Well RapingNinja aka DJVega is portuguese(thought i’d put that out there, seeing as a lot of people would default to white afrikaner kids playing). He’s also not a kid.

      • Freako

        As your info is wrong. RapigNinja is a 16year old kid. DJVEGA is a grown guy. So please.

      • DJVEGA

        Eric please get your facts straight before you make idiotic comments. I am DJVEGA and this RapingNinja kid changed his nick to DJVEGA “Yes, u can change names pretty easily on steam” … don’t make assumptions and yes i am Portuguese, what does that have to do with anything ? are u being racist ??? anyway please stop associating me with this racism issue as i have not made any racial comments! as i respect others i play with.

        • Dylan Heunis

          Please refrain from incriminating other players. I have played with Roberto (JnBn.DJVEGA) many times. No acts of racism came about, that is all I can say.

        • Eric

          My apologies. I saw the name from the previous post and assumed it was you based on the screenie in this article http://www.lazygamer.net/south-africa/racism-is-a-real-problem-in-local-esports/

          And calling a Portuguese person Portuguese is more a fact, but if you want to call it racism, well the definition is up to you then.

          So once again. Apologies.

        • Eric

          PS. What did you do to the guy to make him change his nick to yours?

          • DJVEGA

            didn’t know you have to do something to someone for them to change their nick to yours. Maybe he idolizes me ??? who knows… your guess is as good as mine

          • Rags

            WHo wouldn’t idiolise the vegas? <3333333333333333333333

          • noxville

            DJVega is a really nice guy.

    • General JJ PanGirl

      You walk down you hallway to go and get milk. You return to your bed feeling violated for no explainable reason.

  • SheHulkNigri

    You know, Kaptein Doos, sorry Koos is doing such a great job in advertising their stupidity. Look at the alias third from the bottom… Now I may be a silly person, and feel free to tell me I am, but I kind of try and avoid intercourse with someone I hate…

    • DarthofZA

      Well spotted 😀

  • ElimiNathan

    Losers

  • GalacticLordCaptainAwesomeness

    You know what. Once again the DOTA community (not COD this time, but arseholes are everywhere) has shown what a bunch of small minded, bigoted, racist , sore losing, puny brained, self esteem lacking, bad losing losers they are.

    These people are part of the reason that a game like DOTA will never grace my system, this is not the first time that the DOTA community has shown exactly the type of people that play it, and it won’t be the last.

    It is truly sad that they have to revert to this type of Name calling, to show exactly the type of character they have…

    • I don;t think this is remotely specific to the DOTA community. Just about every community has its idiots and arseholes.

      • GalacticLordCaptainAwesomeness

        True true

    • Captain GUZ

      Played DOTA2 yesterday for the first time to see whats all the fuss about, was loads of fun but I got pawnd big time(still learning yo) , I didnt strip my moer thou, its all about the learning curve, and if you cant handle the heat get out the kitchen

    • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

      I play a ton of DotA with some really really cool people. But there are a ton of people other there who just aren’t really nice human beings. It’s no surprise that they’ve made their way to a game that offers significant competitive gaming. To be honest, I don’t think it’s really fair to say the DotA 2 community sucks (a notion I held pre-DotA 2 myself). There are just bad seeds that ruin the game completely.

      • GalacticLordCaptainAwesomeness

        Granted, with the size of the gaming community for DOTA, there will be good and bad elements.

        However, that being said.

        This is not the first time that the amount and vulgarity of the verbal abuse in said game has come to light.

        For the sake of the people that like playing DOTA, get rid of all the bad elements.. all the players otherwise get a bad rep by association

        • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

          I report anyone who swears or uses any sort of homophobic, racist language (etc) on sight. Unfortunately there are just so many reports for stupid things that Valve has to sift through to find the real reports. I once was reported by an entire five stack because I had a 28 0 15 on a Viper. To be honest, I could understand WHY they were upset. But Valve just sees that I was given five reports in one game and who knows what they said the reason was. Do they have to watch the entire game to confirm the use of bad language or whatever? Tough job. Really tough job.

          I think the community can only do so much when others don’t take these issues seriously. It’s why I think the leagues should step in. If you have bad rep, if people can prove you’re just not a fair play sort of player, you shouldn’t be allowed to play esports ever.

          • Kromas

            I don’t report bad language anymore just verbal abuse. I don’t mind swearing as long as it is not directed in anger at someone in either team.

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            I meant bad language directed at people. In SA players really love calling you a p*** on a regular basis. I hate that. Report on sight.

          • Kromas

            Indeed.

          • Mossel

            People call me “fokken mossel” from time to time. Can’t figure out why though. xD

          • General JJ PanGirl

            That’s not your full name?? O_O

          • Mossel

            There are many things you still don’t know about me young PanGirl.

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            Haha

    • Louis Neilson

      I don’t think it’s even remotely logical or fair to judge a whole community by a few bad apples.

      And the irony of the judgmental and unfair nature of your post is delicious.

  • Mossel

    Done. Both reported. These fuckers need to get off my Steam.

    • Hammersteyn

      LOL I don’t even play DOTA but I reported them regardless.

      • Mossel

        LOL neither do I! But we need to show these guys that they are not welcome.

        • General JJ PanGirl

          Done

  • RinceThis2014

    Gavin, keep up the good work. About time we expunged these runts from our circles.

    • d4zza

      I think you made a spelling error and wrote “r” instead of “c” with runts. 😛

  • Lumi

    Battlefield4 FTW, we get to kill people if they make statements like that. 😀

  • Lardus-Resident Perve

    I am so saddened by this…I think I will keep playing offline games rather than have to play with idiots like that.

    • Robert Hart

      Also dont go outside your house because you might meet someone who is racist.

      • Lardus-Resident Perve

        At least outside I can moer people. And the difference is when I play games I do it for fun and relaxation. So avoiding them in the first place is just more “health effective” due to my bad perverted heart

        • FSR

          If your solution is to “moer” people, you’re doing outside wrong.

        • RinceThis2014

          What you said man. I think Robert misses the point that people use the anonymity of the internet to act like dicks which is why what Gavin is doing is so needed. Shame the fuckers and let’s see how often they carry on using language they think they can get away with.

      • RinceThis2014

        What a naive statement.

    • GalacticLordCaptainAwesomeness

      Amen Brother…

  • Robert Hart

    Good work

  • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

    Name and shame. I know from the previous article that the DGL and overworked. But I hope they take a stand on the last example and ban that player from the DGL entirely. Racists don’t belong in South Africa.

    • Kromas

      I completely disagree with you. Racists don’t belong ANYWHERE!

      • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

        I completely disagree with your disagreement. I think all human beings deserve a second chance. Change happens, yo. So let’s find some middle ground. Let’s send all the racists to Mars. Cause we need a colony. And in the past we always send people we don’t want to the colonies (looking at you, Australians).

        😀

        • Kromas

          Okay but the racists won’t survive all alone in mars so can we maybe also send all politicians and lawyers?

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            I dunno. I feel like politicians are part of the circus we call life and have to be there. Just for the lolz. Lawyers, as the Romans noted, are dangerous folk but entirely necessary. Or so I’ve been told. Besides. I’m sure colony by vocation is just a bad idea. What if they send all the doctors to the Moon? How screwed would we be? I vote racists. But they can be joined by sexists? Oh. Oh. Oh. We can also send all the criminals currently in jail on life long sentences for murder etc. That should make for some fun living. 😀

          • Kromas

            As long as we get Big Brother style cameras everywhere and a dedicated DSTV channel I am in.

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            That show would make billions… O.O And it would help fund our space expansion project..

          • Kromas

            They could have game show type events as well. Like each week they have a challenge.The ones who win get new carbon scrubbers or maybe even food privileges. OH crap I think I just discovered The Hunger Games:Mars Edition..

  • asc1an

    Shamelessly ripped this from Reddit:

    Once upon a time, there was a racist support treant. Seriously, you are going to hate this support treant. High on the lane overlooking the map, the racist treant warded where the lane was half coverd. A carry would visit during the laning stage and ask for Living Armor, and the racist treant would shake its branches and put the living armor onto the carry. The carry had many of the racist tree’s armor and farmed the lane beneath the shade of its racist branches. One day the carry brought Ivan, a midlaner who had just moved to lane, to gank around the racist treant.

    “Let Ivan have an living armor,” asked the carry.

    “I don’t think so. He’s russian,” said the tree. This shocked the carry and he spoke to the tree angrily, but it would not shake its branches to give Ivan a living armor, and it called him a nigger.

    “I can’t believe the racist treant is such a racist,” said the carry. The carry momentarily reflected that perhaps this kind of behavior was how the racist treant got its name.

    The carry decided that if the treant was going to deny living armor to Ivan, then nobody would take its living armor. The carry stopped visiting the racist tree and went to another lane.

    The racist treant leveld quite lonely. After many minutes it saw a jungle Batrider flying across the neutral camps.

    “Can I offer you some living armor?” asked the treant eagerly.

    “Fuck off, you goddamn Nazi,” said the Batrider.

    The racist treant was upset, because while it was very racist, it did not personally subscribe to Hitler’s fascist ideology. The racist treant decided that it would have to give Living armor to russians, not because it was tolerant, but because otherwise it would demoralize his team.

    And so, social progress was made.

    (http://reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1w5cp5/the_racist_support/)

    • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

      Lol. If only. I suspect the Treant actually started an enclave for racists in its lane somewhere near the side shop.

      • asc1an

        Lolz, probably also founded it’s own base called “Treeania” and keeps threatening to secede from the Radiant to create it’s own little fountain of health, even thought it doesn’t have the skills, gold or support from Icefrog to do so.

        • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

          LOL! So much upvote for this.

          I imagine Icefrog will soon sell an arcana item that enables the racist Treant to build its own fountain though. Fully functional as well. Just for $39.99.

        • Treeania. You deserve all the hugs.

          • asc1an

            Led by the great Florane Tree’Blanche

  • Dean

    Wonder if this article will also be laughed at by the eN guys over the chat. ‘Cause you know that they’ve never seen racism or anything.

    • xeRaaaa

      Quotes being taken out of context as always, time to start the witch hunt!

      As a more serious reply: We were laughing at a single snippet of the article that involved a friend of ours, not the article itself, nor the idea of racism. But once again, thanks for taking things out of context to start a witch hunt.

      • Dean

        Well if it’s a witch hunt you’ve got nothing to worry about. But now a troll hunt, I’d run for the hill

      • Her Highness the Hipster

        Once again – a lesson in PR. Be careful what you say in open chat during a game being viewed by 1500 people. People don’t know your context, will just see the laughing and assume the worst.

        • Dean

          PR or the basics of sports professionalism. Or at least thats what people want eSports to be viewed as, a professional sport.

          • General JJ PanGirl

            Agreed.

        • xeRaaaa

          Had anyone read the article in question it would have been very obvious what the context was. Had they not read the article they’d have absolutely no idea what was going on and then they wouldn’t care either way as it would just be a personal joke amongst friends in two different teams. Who were currently playing a friendly show match, not the DGC finals.

      • Kromas

        Please enlighten me in what context that word is acceptable? I believe that they don’t even refer to themselves with that word like the American N word so I really wanna know when you can say that so I can learn something today.

        • General JJ PanGirl

          Only as part of the Afrikaans word for supplier. But that’s about it.

        • xeRaaaa

          No one ever mentioned it was acceptable, nor did anyone even imply it.

          • Kromas

            “Quotes being taken out of context as always, time to start the witch hunt!”

            I really am sorry if I read this wrong but in my eyes this is usually a defensive statement to justify wrongful actions.

          • xeRaaaa

            Apology accepted.

  • TiMsTeR1033

    Yo, KAPTEIN DOOS, Seriously man we don’t need or want people like this on Dota, on forums, in games, in sports, in restaurant hell in this country!! You think its cool to use words that only hurt and offend people and then say stuff like K****Slayer!!! Dude you are one of the many reasons why this country still has racist and issues from aparteid, For goodness sakes, wake up and realise that this country needs to erase this past way of thinking… We are all human, we all live in this beautiful country and if we just gave each other a little respect it goes a long long way.. Colour really doesn’t matter..

  • Hammersteyn

    Physical violence is an utter last resort. But if he used language like this in front of me I would hand him a running fuck slap upside his head so hard that every time he even thinks of uttering the K word he will be remind of the pain it caused him. Anonymity used to go hand in hand with internet but acts like this deserves a knock on the door from the cops.

    • FuRu

      *RFKS running fuck kick slap

      • Hammersteyn

        LOL

  • Hammersteyn

    Also for interest sake what happens to a person that’s reported, is he banned for life, is his IP blocked so that he can’t play the game as a different user, just curios

    • Kromas

      He gets banned from DotA2 and his VAC (Valve anti Cheat) standing on his steam accounts gets downgraded. However if he only has DotA on his account he can always just create another account and thus bypass game bans. Sad but true.

      • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

        BAN IP! BAN IP! CONTACT NETWORK ADMINISTRATOR! PHONE PARENTS! We’ve gotta do something…

        • Kromas

          Most ips are dynamic so we should rather get a system where valve reports to the ISP of the current ip holder and they can ban the client based off their dhcp server. Then again he can just join a new isp,

          Okay I have a plan (slightly illegal).Get the ip that player was using then hack their ISP and get the persons details.Then rock up at his door and beat the living crap out of him.Also remember to tell him why you are doing it.

          • GalacticLordCaptainAwesomeness

            Jay and Silent Bob Style….

          • Kromas

            Yep 😛

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            You sound like you know what you’re doing. I vote you as the Bearer of the Anti-Racism Hammer. Go forth and beat racists!

          • Kromas

            Haha get a sledge hammer and carve BAN on the bashing end. That will leave a mark they won’t soon forget. 😛

          • FuRu

            Beat a racist, help him tolerate for a day. Lock him up with other racists for the rest of his natural life, who cares?

      • Hammersteyn

        Not nearly harsh enough.

    • FuRu

      They can get VAC banned. But since DOTA 2 is an FTP, and you can change your IP, there is no financial implation where DOTA 2 is concerned.

      • FuRu

        *implication

      • Hammersteyn

        *Sigh*

  • 64bit

    Why do the Afrikaners gravitate towards this game?

    • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

      I don’t really understand this. Are you saying only Afrikaans speaking individuals are racist? Because that isn’t true. There is a lot of racism across all social, political, and racial groups. And the comment itself seems a little.. heavy handed.

      • Kromas

        Actually he is saying we Afrikaaners enjoy this game more than other games. That is not true though.English south africans also use the K word and thus you can infer that not all players that use that word are indeed afrikaans.

        • I took it as asking why there is a higher percentage of Afrikaaners in DOTA than most other games.

          I’m not sure that’s true though I think it’s just more noticeable wth the huge online FB community around DOTA

          • Kromas

            I believe you are right.

          • Spathi

            No, he’s a racist. Go look at his commenting on other sites.

            Example: “If the Afrikaaners where forced to live on there own away from the english they would still be using ox wagons and running around in velt skoen”

            Further example: “Can you afrikaaners stop calling yourself whites. Rather call yourself olive skin mixed blood ignorant racists”

      • 64bit

        From speaking to friends who attend and compete in local gaming events, the general understanding is that dota and lol are predominantly afrikaans. Is it the rugby of eSports?
        And if it is, then how can we be surpised when this happens. I’m surprised they don’t have the old South African flag up as the clan banner.

        • Spathi

          The amount of stupid in this comment is over 9000!!

        • Kromas

          64bit … please leave and never return. I heard they have nice land claims on mars.

        • General JJ PanGirl

          Wow. You’re probably the most uneducated person on this comment thread today. You do realize that by stating this you’re no different to the guy who made the racist remarks. Or is that too complex to understand?

    • B4d R0b0t

      All my Afrikaner friends like Dayz……profile much you bigot you…..

    • ziNzA

      There are more Afrikaans speaking (mother tongue) white people than english speaking white people in this country. So it makes sense that you have more Afrikaners playing Dota/CS/Rugby/Athletics etc.

      • FuRu

        GIEF STATS… show me you source that helped you to draw this conclusion please?

        Having more people of a specific category (however you want to categorize them, race, sex, language, height, weight) does not directly correlate to having more of them in a different category. For example saying there are more fat people than thin people (fat and thin must be predefined ), and more short people than tall people (short and tall must be predefined), therefore more short people are fat.

        This is classified as stereotyping, and can range from assanine comments such as yours, to racist bigoted comments such as 64bits’ comment.

  • General JJ PanGirl

    Wow. That was quite shocking. I didn’t know people like that still existed.

  • General JJ PanGirl

    Just kick them and revoke their access.

    • Kromas

      As posted somewhere below that does not work.

      • General JJ PanGirl

        Ah. Missed that comment.
        It’s a flippen shame man. This is humiliating to every South African.

        • Kromas

          Indeed.

  • Johan Heymans

    Hello Everyone, I am the captain of BerZerK Gaming and I will honestly say that I do not know that player. I am trying to get hold of my Dota captains to see if his in any of those teams and will sort out the issue. I apologize for the racism from a member of my clan and that is if he really is a member.

    Is there any more info such as like in which team on our dgl page he was enlisted as I only see him on the clan listing not in a specific team.

    • B4d R0b0t

      All its takes is a BF4 player to sort the mess out 🙂 Johan am sure you will get to the bottom of this….also I warned you guys about having a big team this year. These hangers on will bring all your hard work down.

      • Johan Heymans

        Its all sorted, the player was not part of BzK at all. He tried out back in December but went to form his own team. Gavin has updated the article with the teams link

        • B4d R0b0t

          Sweet see you on the DGL streams for BF4 🙂

  • Boris Becker

    Funny … but ok to call me , pinki , cracker , pig , Uhuru .People need to stop being so damn sensitive ;…

  • Rags

    Why should we report them to Valve? What is Valve’s policy regarding racism? They play on private servers no?

    What a silly thing to say, of course its going to continue.

    Anyway: http://theinternetoffendsme.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/no-good-deed-goes-unpunished/

    • RinceThis2014

      Wow, just, wow. Have you read Valve’s T&Cs? It states no offensive language.

      • Rags

        No I haven’t that’s why I asked 😉

        • RinceThis2014

          Lulz, well there ya go 🙂

    • d4zza

      Please use your mouse and click here: http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/, section 4. ONLINE CONDUCT, CHEATING AND ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR, which advises you to read http://store.steampowered.com/online_conduct/

      But to save you the effort:

      As a Steam subscriber you agree to abide by the following conduct rules.

      You will not:

      ……
      “Defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others.”
      ……

      Last time I checked, racism applies under this as defamation and abuse.

      • Rags

        Apparently its you who can read. I asked the question? Also interesting:

        Restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying Steam services, software or other content.

        Harvest or otherwise collect information about others, including e-mail addresses.

        • d4zza

          How is that valid to the case in point?

          • Rags

            It’s like vigilante who is hunting the devil, breaking all the laws to get to him. And when the Devil turns he has nothing left to defend him.

            There has been calls for contact details of the parents, and the offender. Yet in the same rule of racism is the rights of privacy and publicity. Yet those can be violated for the first part. Even the Dota admin would violate the same rule as the racist.

            But I guess its all open to interpretation …

          • d4zza

            Ah ok, I see where you are coming from. No personal info should be put in the public light, but everyone should report the offender online none-the-less.

          • No personal info that wasn’t in the public space previously has been revealed.

          • Rags

            Not talking about the info given here, but the admin who wanted to solicit private information.

  • Mossel

    Gavin, please give us a follow up on this in a week or so. Would love to know if these guys get banned.

  • UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

    It’s all good and well that you are doing this, but the only reason this can be done in DOTA2 is because things are logged.

    There is a trail to follow. Now it is just starting to look like a witch hunt for the DOTA2 community.

    At this point if anyone mentions anything or tries to defend the DOTA2 community we just get told we are racist apologists.

    The game is very much enjoyable and I play it often. Racism happens in every single thing in life not even to mention games. Valve has a reporting system. Reporting and mute the person and move on with your life.

    • Kromas

      I have been at the end of a racial attack. People who say “move on with your life” have absolutely no idea how bad racism can be and in this case I will go as far as calling you an idiot. I don’t dislike you in any way but your statements lack personal experience and thus your post actually infuriated me. Please never ever ever do something like that again. Also it is not a witch hunt for the Dota community but rather gamers who are racist. Banning them from any game/platfiorm will improve the gaming community as whole.

      • UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

        To be honest people have been racist against me rather intensely and aggressively, but I am a white male. So even then when I took up the complaint I was laughed off and told it doesn’t count. “You are white it doesn’t count for you, you really should just STFU.” Was wonderful sitting through that.

        All people are created equal, but you get assholes out there. I mute, kick, ban, ignore them the moment I see that trend. I report them with the system in place and make sure to tell everyone to please do so as well.

        A racist comment in a game and racist attack are two totally different things though. I am not in any way diminishing the experience you had. It is terrible to be in that situation. All I am saying is that in a game like this you mute, kick, ban, report them and then you have done what you legally can.

        I have in real life taken people on face to face about it, but online and in a game is going to kill your soul and leave you more unhappy. People like these racist bigots are even worse when you give them anonymity behind a keyboard. Then if you post Facebook profiles etc you may face charges of defamation etc… I don’t know what is the best way to handle this. It is very obviously their attitude and their parents/environment that made them into what they are now.

        So you can be mad at me for wanting to void these people and advising people to do the same online, but it is still what I believe to be the best way for the average person to deal with this.

        • Kromas

          I suppose you are right. I hardly have an objective view on this. You post was well thought out and I offer my apology.I still dislike people saying move on though but I do get what you are saying.

          • UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

            You don’t need to apologize. I understand where you are coming from.

            This is hardly an easy subject to talk about.

            I just think it has come to the point where instead of trying to save the infected area we need to cut it out and just move on.

            I hate it when may day get spoiled by these bigots and their idiotic beliefs. Something in my wants to just fight and fight, but online it is just hitting your head against a wall. I have tons of people that I have on my ignore list. I just hope everyone can do that so that one day he comes into the lobby and realize no one can see him spewing his filth and realize that he is alone and change is the only way.

            It sounds really lame, but I wish we could just all get along 🙁

          • Brady miaau

            Bells all around, Kromas and NinjaPandaGoodGuy.

            By the way, can you verify the PandaGoodGuy or must we take your word for it?

          • UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

            lol! I just took this username because Panda was taken and then just kept typing 😛 I like to think the “GoodGuy” part would show in my actions as a person o/

            I like to think we both have the same vision for where the country should be.

            10/10 would buy @Kromaswow:disqus a beer and talk about life!

          • Kromas

            Well I am planning on going to the shindig saturday. (unless eskom screws me around yet again and I have to be at kusile)

          • UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

            Shindig? I am in Cape Town… not sure if said shindig is in Johannesburg maybe?

          • Kromas

            Oh well. I wonder what the going rate is for shipping a beer via UPS 😛

          • UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

            Well at least there is a bottle store down the road from me! So I will be having a beer at home and be there in spirit! o/

          • Kromas

            Good enough!

          • FuRu

            The problem is that racism is not a definitive thing. People attach different value to different things. I too am a white male, and I hear the argument too often that if you are white, then you can be a racist, but if you aren’t white, then you can’t. Either racism is equally applied to to all or it isn’t, and the entire thing becomes a farce.

            Having said that, this intolerance for whatever reason (racism, sexism, etc) should be eradicated from the face of the earth.

            “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
            Edmund Burke

  • Congo

    I was the idiot who accidentally removed the thread. I’ll name and shame myself.

    • Ultimo_Cleric N7

      Shot for stepping up. Good man, that takes balls.

      • Dylan Heunis

        He is CongoKyle how can he be ashamed

    • Hammersteyn

      Brass balls bud. I will buy you a beer if I ever meet you.

  • Ultimo_Cleric N7

    Is there any way we could also delete these people from life? Like ship them off to Mars or something?

    • Kromas

      Plan has already been discussed to ship them to mars somwhere below. 😛

  • Jaded_Reprobate

    i’m glad to see you sticking to your guns Gavin… issues like this tend to get covered up way too easily…
    People that carry on like this need to learn that there will be consequences for their actions

  • Gideon Venter

    This is the reason I don’t want to play onine. Hell is Other Players.

  • CptCrash

    This is 1 of the reasons I don’t play dota, community is horrible people rage like their life hangs on the game.

  • Shane Martin Schouw

    and this is why i dont play dota…

    • Dylan Heunis

      Nearly every online game where players can interact and do something as simple as exchange messages is bound to harbour such horrible players. I play Dota because I am practically in love with the professional scene, where hardworking teams play exceptional Dota and make it worthwhile as a spectator sport. The community in matchmaking can be harsh, but I just tend to ignore the trolls and ragers and just focus on my game. The game is goooooooooood.

      • Shane Martin Schouw

        yeah i get that… it was more directed to my mates who would read this post, it really meant nothing more than that. they’ve been trying to get me to play DOTA and LOL, but it just isn’t my cup of tea. i agree it might be a great game, i personally don’t like it.

      • Shane Martin Schouw

        fair, but i prefer cod and bf for me its faster and more do or die. theres no time to think, you just gotta do and hope for the best.

  • starcraftisbetterthandotaorlol

    Why is it that peopel who cant hack it as a starcraft player end up playing dota and lol and being racist and horrible.

    maybe if we took away the fisher price childrens game and got them thinking

  • iron_dinges

    “It appears that Ninja is an incredibly naive child”

    The level of your writing is below tabloid.

    Racism is indeed a problem, but the way you are going about tackling it is robbing the discussion of legitimacy.

    • I think you would find that the discussion was beng squashed until we started this.. now a solid conversation is happening which is great

    • Brady miaau

      You mean putting it out in the open and giving us the links so we can check the same things for ourselves? I appreciate Gavin not talking about something without making it easy for us to verify what is written.

      Is there opinion in here? Sure. But it is backed up by a reason, which you may or may not agree with.

  • DrKiller

    And that is why I play on EU West.. I get less lag there than on SA anyway

  • Willem Van Wyk

    I understand the implications of the word and what it represents in our country and I am not a racist, but the word itself isn’t racism. Racism is discriminating against someone due to their race.

    This is just a pathetic insult from a bigot. People love insulting people on the internet, but why is this so offensive? I am white and get called white slurs, but I am not discriminated against, unless you include BEE.

    While I think this guy is a bigot, what I don’t get is why there is such a big “cry” over this? This has a lot more to do with appearance than actual racism, we insult people based on their religion, family, culture, countries (love hating Russians on DotA 2) and even other races, but we cannot use black people?

    I don’t think we should insult people at all, but this isn’t racism it is double standards.

    • Willem Van Wyk

      We have developed an over sensitive sensitivity to anything that is against the black race, while we ignore the others, yes I understand our history and the injustices that took place in the past, but as long as we are over sensitised it will always be an issue.

      He uses that particular word NOT BECAUSE HE IS RACIST (he probably is a racist), because it draws this reaction. As long as we continue to react so inappropriately to the word people will continue to use it.

      • Hammersteyn

        From what I gather he was the only one hurling racist slurs and the victim happened to be black. But if the victim retaliated with racial slurs as well he should also be held accountable.

      • SwingLowChariot

        How can you “over sensitise” the K word? Explain that please? I think you need to be more sensitive.

        • Willem Van Wyk

          If you read, you will see that I said we are over sensitive to anything that might offend black people. My point I am trying to make is that it is just a word.

          We have real racism in South Africa and this just isn’t it, this is an idiot making a pathetic attempt at an insult. People call each other all kind of racist things, but it is because of this specific word that we are going overboard.

          The word is derogatory, not racist. Yes people that use the word or more likely than not racist, but racism is an act of discrimination against a race. The “k” word is just a word…

          Racism Definition:

          the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

          prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.

  • Rileon

    Gavin, please can you just STFU? Who gives a shite about anything racist? You only make things worse, you’re quick to point fingers but won’t look at yourself you hypocritical twat. I thought this was a gaming website based on games? Not some political correct forum!?!? First time commenting here after visiting this site everyday and this is one story that really is pissing me off! Nobody cares! Anyone trying to say anything politically correct is just some bonehead trying to get pointers for “yea I did something good today” No One Cares!!! Just stop this crap already and move on! 99% of these people who are anti-racist are the same people who dislike the ANC and the same people who wouldn’t dare live in a 99% dominated black area! Stop being a bunch of Hypocrites and leave those people to deal with their own issues, you have yours to deal with, stop getting involved and making a big scene, you’re only going to make things worse thinking you making them better!

    • I disagree as the industry is now talking about the problem openly so that has helped.

      Also I like a lot of what the ANC stands for, they are far from perfect but so are the DA.

      If you’re not interested in the racism articles then I just recommend skipping them. I’m not removing content to get these in I am just adding more content that I feel strongly about.

      • Anthony Nell

        Also, ” No One Cares!!!” I think the mass of comments and replies would say otherwise. And Rileon, if we do nothing about it how will it ever change???

        • Rileon

          Change is never done for the better – Unknown
          If you want change let time pass, things don’t come over night, if people just don’t give a crap eventually no one will care, but when you get offended by words or anything the other guy will only use it to his advantage, ie troll or get extreme, just ignore and move along, eventually they’ll give up and move with time… Is this rocket science?

          • Anthony Nell

            No its really not, but you are incorrect. If you were right, we would all be speaking German and chanting zieg heil at nationalist day parades, or we would all be living in apartheid.

            Seeing as you so eloquently used a quote (from nobody), here is a little gem that everyone knows and loves: English philosopher Edmund Burke said, ‘The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing.’

          • Stephen Snook

            Well done on a well reasoned and thoughtful response.

          • Anthony Nell

            Thank you, this quote is another great one to add to the point as well:
            “If you don’t like something, change it. If you can’t change it, change your attitude.” — Maya Angelou

          • Chip

            Here’s a good quote to consider as well:
            “Maybe you should try stop posting pretentious quotes and start thinking for yourself” – Me

          • Anthony Nell

            Great contribution to a serious topic. How about adding something of value?

          • Chip

            As I said, think for yourself. That may be the most valuable thing you ever hear.

          • Anthony Nell

            If you read my comments prior to and following the quotes, you would be able to see I do think for myself, quite often in fact. How does one not think for themselves? Could you explain this scientific anomaly where we have something thinking for us in replace of our brains? This is surely a more important issue than intolerance towards fellow human beings. Also: how will you be sending out invites to your 5th birthday party? Most kids don’t have access to email yet.

          • Chip

            All I was saying (in the fairly light hearted manner in which I posted it), was that posting a bunch of well known quotes (which I have heard countless times before) is pretty meaningless – Think for yourself and write what you think in YOUR words. I did not at any point direct a personal insult at you, such as calling you a 5 year old. Thanks for that great contribution by the way 😉

          • Anthony Nell

            I posted mine in a very light hearted manner too, and it’s always a pleasure

          • Rileon

            Look Stephen you’re a cool guy and I don’t want to argue with anyone here, everyone has a right to their opinion… But what Gavin did to publish this entire thing singling out people is wrong, all I want is for this matter to stop right here and not go further and become more provocative, which is what I’m trying to do, everyone needs to relax geez

          • Rileon

            You’re obviously clueless in your “history” I don’t see the guy speaking the K word holding a gun against someone’s effing FOREHEAD!!! People didn’t take Hitler serious before the economic depression there were serious factors involved! For you to compare the two is a serious disrespect to all those people involved in the World War! ie REAL WORLD!!! Don’t lecture me about Edmund Burke! I know him and his famous quote well enough! but if you had read through all my replies maybe your brain would work somewhere as for philosophy anyone can do it that’s why most who finish those degrees clean floors for a living.

          • Stephen Snook

            That’s disrespectful to people who clean floors.

          • Rileon

            What’s disrespectful? I didn’t say anything bad about them did I? I do respect them, or maybe you trying to refer to something here?

          • Anthony Nell

            I don’t claim to be any kind of history know it all, but in this countries recent history people were persecuted and one of the terms used to belittle them was the k word, and most likely some (if not many) had guns pointed to their foreheads too. For your to tell us not to do anything about racism and general intolerance is unbelievably disrespectful to the many who died giving you the freedom you take for granted.

            I have read through every single one of your ill-formed arguments and barely coherent sentences, how dare you tell a nation of people born on the back of decades of discrimination to do nothing and let it fade away like a fart in an elevator.

            Please feel free to turn a blind eye, I for one will be doing more than my fair share to make up for malcontent children like you who couldn’t give a fuck.

          • Rileon

            Ahhh yes if you only knew what I knew right? 😉

            Freedom you say? Define this “Freedom” you speak of…
            Misunderstanding and complete disrespect has ruled the day anyway

            You say I don’t give a f**k? Like you live in me and can say something about me? Hold your tongue until your thoughts are truly ready

      • Rileon

        I agree with you that everyone does have a right to their own opinion, including yourself, I respect that! But what I don’t like is the whining of these people for problems that don’t concern them, this is a matter with those bozos in that community, let them deal with it, let Valve decide if they want to ban them or not, Not you or anyone else here! Everyone here is too quick to play The Judge, Jury and Executioner. As for those who say they “care” please get lost, because deep down you know no one gives a crap, just some fame pointers, that’s all! All I’m saying is you should let it go, racism won’t magically now go away with your public crap’ you’re only adding fuel to the fire! But hay I forgot this is Journalism 😉

        • Actually some people really do care. I care very little about most peoples issues but racism is something I do care deeply about and always have.

          • Rileon

            Refer to IamAwesomeAndU?’s reply to Stephen Snook and see what point I’m trying to get at. It’s wrong what you have done with this guy personally and the way you have spoken about him! When there are so many others out there like him, But no, you have to just get him? Is this the LazyGamer view or the Gavin view of things? To put someone’s personal details out in the public and single out someone is wrong if not Illegal! (FaceBook involved now) This was a private matter needed to be dealt with in privately or company, You wrote a personal article singling out one person, which I believe is pathetic to say the least! Hope you fix this soon enough before further trouble is made.

          • Nothing will be changed in the article. All information is freely available.

            Also which person are you talking about as I showed 4 or 5 incidents above which are related to different people?

            I understand you think it’s the wrong way to tackle this issue and that is your right. I however feel the only way to clean up the community is by washing its laundry in public

          • Rileon

            Let’s start washing everyone’s laundry in public starting with you, Let’s have all your personal stuff just thrown out in public! Do you even know what you’re saying? These are private issues meant to be dealt with in private, yes it’s free speech and information, but to have someone’s personal things here? I don’t think so…

            I’m talking about them all, singling out a select few is dumb, you should have just wrote an article about the problem and not screen grab these images of private chats and paste them like you’re the Judge of the Supreme Court

          • I think I am being judged publicly here and on the DOTA page on Facebook with many bad things being said about me.. it’s comes with the territory.

            I don’t follow your reasoning that I shouldn’t call out the offenders but that’s your right.

            Just as an aside if you are talking about the RapingNinja chats then I can say they were loaded on Facebook first and I’m not the one who loaded them on imgur.

            If it’s the ingame chat then again it wasn’t me who took the picture. These are being passed along by concerned members of the community and that surely is enough reason to look into the aspect.

            I’ve gotta go make dinner for the family now.. will try check for responses later.

          • Rileon

            Look Gavin, I have nothing against anyone or anything, I just don’t want this matter getting boiled over as it already is, LG is not anymore a small time publishing site on news and events but a world wide recognised gaming informer, things like these should not be on this site singling small troubled players out, Everyone just needs to calm down. The guy who said the K word isn’t some famous gamer or something, but a normal person who might have gotten too hot headed and ahead of himself, people make mistakes, why would you ruin someone’s life and fun for something small? Let them deal with it alone and let Valve decide what to do, It’s none of our business what happened with them…

            Enjoy your dinner! 😉

          • RinceThis2014

            Eh? How many articles have been written about this? LOADS. Nothing has changed. Time to do something different. Time for Change.

          • RinceThis2014

            And you are not the only one. This issue has been brought up oh so many times and NOTHING has changed, so when Rileon says write a generic article, what? And add it to the ever growing pile of failed attempts before? No, you keep at it Gavin. It’s the turds out there who cannot control themselves that should be held accountable, not the whistleblowers. Good job man.

    • Hammersteyn

      I care, because this site is about gaming and community. COMMUNITY! So if racist bigots taint our favourite past time with acts that are clearly criminal they should be named and shamed at least. Call a guy the K word on the street and see how quickly they lock you up. But they wouldn’t because the can’t hide behind their PCs

      • That Tall Ork Norm

        ^ This 1000000%

      • Rileon

        You can’t get locked up calling a guy the K word… -_- Bird brain lol dude I’m not hating but read my reply to Gavin, people should just calm down and move along, making this thing big just makes the situation worse, relax your nuts

        • Chip

          100% agree. This whole thing is pure sensationalism, followed by all the LG faithfuls jumping on the bandwagon. Honestly I will not waste 5 minutes of my life reading some huge tirade over someone being mean to someone else in a game. This website has descended into school playground status.

          • Dylan Heunis

            You reply to yourself as if you are replying to another person? omg

          • Rileon

            What?

          • Rileon

            Exactly what I’m trying to say, calm down geez…

        • Hammersteyn

          Really? Ever heard of Crimen injuria?

    • Stephen Snook

      That’s the kind of attitude that perpetuates casual racism. People should be named and shamed and be made a laughing stock due to their racism.

      • Rileon

        Named and shamed? So if perhaps one day you felt cocky and made a mistake now that naming and shaming must scar you for life? Do you even know what you’re saying? Ever heard of the word thinking ahead? Consequences? Read my other replies and put the puzzle together. This is uncalled for, I believe a strict warning is all that’s needed, this guy is probably some kid anyway.

        • Stephen Snook

          Gavin is doing his job, he’s presenting the news. Regardless of whether you think people should care, this is news.

          This guy knows exactly what he’s saying and doing. There’s no excuse for it.

          • Chip

            Someone on the internet called me a fag the other day.. can we do an investigation and name and shame them too? Or is my victimization not controversial enough as say someone in South Africa using a racial slur?

          • Stephen Snook

            Well the difference between ‘Someone’ and this case is that they can be held personally accountable and so they should be.

            I’m not one who thinks speech should be censored, but by saying things of this manner, you should expect at the very least criticism in return, especially in the public eye.

          • Chip

            Dude, people have been mean and prejudiced towards each other for centuries.. that will never change. I have been called names and treated badly. I got over it, grew stronger and moved on with my life. What good does “naming and shaming” some arbitrary offender do? You think people are suddenly going to stop hating each other? “Oh but now we are all talking about it”… yes so we’re all talking about some dick who was mean to someone else. SO WHAT?? I’m sorry but I’ve already wasted more time on this nonsense than I should have.

          • Stephen Snook

            Yeah, you know what, you’re right. People shouldn’t be held accountable for stupid and bigoted things they say. What a better place this world would be if people just took societies attitudes as constants and never tried to change anything. You know, only 60 years ago, the majority still wanted segregation. Gee, how things haven’t changed.

          • Rileon

            We’re talking about the Internet here not “The Real World” I guess I must be personally held accountable for killing all those innocent bystanders in GTA and Slaying Orcs, and and and killing Chinese, Russian and American soldiers in BF4 and all those bad things, get over it, It’s the internet for EFF sakes… lol

          • Hammersteyn

            Except you are not killing the person behind the PC.

          • Rileon

            Get over yourself you childish being, We here to game and have fun, not talk crap, why should that person who received the K word even care and let it bother him? Just ignore and move on, because if you get involved you’re only making it worse how many times must I repeat myself?

          • Stephen Snook

            Repeat yourself until your argument makes sense.

          • Rileon

            Yea you just let your inconsideration rule your day buddy 😉

          • Stephen Snook

            Keep trying.

          • Hammersteyn

            There’s something terribly wring with you.

          • Stephen Snook

            Yeah, because that’s totally the same thing.

          • Rileon

            Same thing when playing a game that shouts out Ni**er over a million times yet you don’t see mass protests and condemnation from us or the African Americans playing the game, ie No one Cares the can just “pretend”

          • Stephen Snook

            The difference is characters and acting, not real people and not real opinions.

          • Rileon

            Gee but you and Hammersteyn are too stubborn to see and think what you’re doing

          • Stephen Snook

            I’m the stubborn one? You’re not even refuting us anymore.

          • Rileon

            Please explain how you will make things better?

          • Stephen Snook

            By being aware of problems like this and report similar problems. It’s more than what you’re doing.

          • Rileon

            I know what I’m doing and explaining, you can’t change people get that in your head “To Each Their Own”

          • Stephen Snook

            To each their own racism. Sounds good to me.

          • Rileon

            So Be It, but keep it to yourself and don’t harm or disrespect anyone, If you do you’re an idiot and that’s that, the people who chase you and name and shame you are probably bigger idiots 😉 get what I’m saying? 🙂

          • Stephen Snook

            You’re an idiot. Got it.

          • Rileon

            lol

          • Rileon

            You can obviously see that I don’t get butthurt or offended by you calling me an idiot? Yet you’re talking to me with real opinions and in real life but do you see me making a shitstorm? NO! I’m not a childish prick or a journalist looking to make a hit and so forth, just move on with your life, not so hard is it? Hypocritical much ey? 😉

          • Stephen Snook

            Yes, you shall have the last laugh. Ignorance man to the rescue!

          • Rileon

            I don’t seek vengeance or the last laugh? All I want is for people to be better than this and move on, teach them? But you’re too blind to see what I’m saying and explaining, don’t care about ignorance man or anything, just my thoughts that I believe could help.

          • Rileon

            To your eyes we must all live in this perfect world with these perfect rules where everything and everyone is perfect! 🙂

          • Stephen Snook

            Yeah, you’re right, ignorance is a way better tactic.

          • Rileon

            It’s not ignorance if you see it the other way

          • Stephen Snook

            So it’s not ignorance, if you don’t see it as ignorance?

            I may need some time to take that in.

          • Hammersteyn

            I’m done arguing with you. Life’s too short.

          • Stephen Snook

            Good choice, what’s wrong with me?

          • Rileon

            Nothing is wrong with you all I’m saying this “tactic” of yours and the “LG Community” does not freaking work!!! I’ve seen it fail so many times over!!! Like what VAAS says??? the definition of insanity??? any ideas???

          • Stephen Snook

            Arguing with you?

          • Hammersteyn

            This is the first time I see them do name and shame. So what now?

          • Rileon

            European soccer? movies? You’ve never seen it? and yea fines sooo worked when the following week more football teams would chant monkey sounds to black players ie making it worse!

          • Hammersteyn

            Guess we will see.

          • Rileon

            You will see nothing! Same guy different account maybe gets more buddies now and will chant the K word as much as he loves so long as their idiots like you who give him attention! 🙂

          • Hammersteyn

            You life in a sad sad world my friend.

          • Rileon

            And why is that buddy? I think I have explained myself the most here, all responses I have seen are one or two short sentence words saying I’m an idiot? Explain to me how this idea of your and Gavin’s community will work… 🙂

          • It’s simple. The people with some common sense will quickly realise that this sort of online abuse has consequences. Removing that anonymous barrier cleans up communities very well.

            It can’t work in all instances but every single DGL player will now think twice before doing this in a public match and for me that’s a victory in itself

          • Rileon

            I thought we were given the option to have aliases and “game names” for a reason, as to not have your identity shown? Are you the Internet police?

            Goes to show this whole bandwagon has no reason whatsoever, feel as if I’m talking to a brick wall… On your logic why don’t we name and shame people who visit porn sites, or who go on the wrong things as that’s blasphemous to certain people so let’s shame them all and remove their right to anything… It’s what you’re doing! Everyone has their own issues let the right people and Valve deal with them not you!!! This isn’t mob justice!!!

            No one here has the right to determine this guy’s fate…
            All I see is double standards, but it’s okay, I failed, but remember Gavin, it works both ways…

          • Hammersteyn

            Because you have lost faith in humanity. You clearly believe there is no way to fight bigotry. This idea of Gavins isn’t a week old and you are already tossing it out the window.

          • Rileon

            Because this idea failed countless times before, try again…

          • Chip

            Well no I think people SHOULD be held accountable for the things they say, but the crime should fit the punishment. Its easy enough to report this kind of behavior on whatever system, be it Steam, Xbox Live or whatever. Instead a huge sh*tstorm is kicked up with investigations and articles published, and everyone jumps on the bandwagon voices their disapproval.. all because some 10 year old used a dirty word in a private chat.

          • Stephen Snook

            Is that not what’s happening? The team members were notified and it’s being dealt with. I think that’s pretty successful.

          • Chip

            If that’s all that was done then cool, issue dealt with perfectly. However if that was really the full extent of the actions that were taken then we wouldn’t even be talking about this now, and we could all continue with our lives without having to care little Timmy said a dirty word in a chat. Instead little Timmy has been dragged out, scolded and publicly shamed, TWICE. I would say this is the very definition of a witch hunt.

          • Stephen Snook

            Two articles is a witch hunt?

          • Chip

            Coming back to the crime vs the punishment point again.. yes when such a massive furor is stirred up over some kid being a dick in a game, then yes absolutely it is a witch hunt.

          • Stephen Snook

            Making light of the situation does nothing to fix it.

          • Chip

            Shaming people does nothing to fix it either. How about being a bit more classy and discreetly report this guy, and then write a thought provoking piece on how rampant bigotry has become in gaming. There’s a reason why won’t read content like this from more mainstream sources. Can you just imagine a Gamespot or an IGN publishing something like this? Take the higher ground.

          • Stephen Snook

            This wasn’t thought provoking? It doesn’t make sense to argue something is there is no evidence to back it up.

            Racism is really a huge problem, but i can’t give you any examples, because that would hurt racist’s feelings.

          • Chip

            There’s nothing thought provoking about seeing some guy singled out and publicly humiliated over what they said in a private chat. “Ooh look so and so is a racist cause they said such and such.. everyone hate this guy.. racism is bad, and clearly rampant in gaming”. You guys call that journalism?

          • Rileon

            Yea, same with me being called pu#*y bi#&h mother f^&*%er, and how gay I am! I think LG should bring up a topic about being called gay!!!!!! The Homosexual community will be up in arms over this!!!! ;D lol

          • Rileon

            Gavin is winning most comments of the weeeeek! He definitely does know what he’s doing! 😀

          • Stephen Snook

            Yeah, I’m sure that was his intention. He couldn’t just be staunchly against racism, he’s just in it for the DISQUS points.

          • Rileon

            With Journalism you never know 😉

          • Stephen Snook

            Yep, we’re all evil and a slave to the hive mind of news to inform the masses. Wake up sheeple.

          • Rileon

            Yesss someone gets me!!! :’D so proud lol but jokes aside I hope you’re at least understanding what I’m trying to say…

          • Rileon

            Baaaahhhhh!!!! Hay you’re offending me!!! I’m a sheeple and I found your comment offensive! HAY LG!!! LG!!! Name and Shame this guy He offended me and I’m so butthurt :(…. ;P

          • Stephen Snook

            Yep, you’re sure acting like it.

          • Brady miaau

            You miss the point in a rather dramatic fashion….

        • Hammersteyn

          how is typing that word a mistake, please don’t be silly. That was hatefull and malicious

          • Rileon

            I’ll say time and time again, the less you care, the more others won’t and things will move on, you’re making the obstacle to progress here not “him” Think about it*

          • Hammersteyn

            The whole argument started because you said no one cares. How many people does it take to convince you otherwise?

        • Brady miaau

          There was no mistake. It was followed up with a rationale “This is South Africa, who does not talk like that?”

    • RinceThis2014

      What do you mean nobody cares? You have 9 downvotes, that is AT LEAST 9 people who do care man. Wow, just WOW.

    • Brady miaau

      It seems, by your comments alone (I do not know you, after all) that you want to hide and pretend this type of mindless behaviour does not occur. I care. That is enough for me. It seems large parts of this community care too.

      So, the crime of being different to others is enough to allow attacks on people then? THAT PISSES ME OFF

      It does, it is real and it does happen. Additionally, racism is not about the ANC or politics.

      It is about trying to put down a certain culture, race or group of people for, at the end of it, trying increasing your culture, group or whatever’s worth in your eyes.. Superior. Great.

      • Rileon

        Ahh yes very true words you put there, being on the topic why doesn’t Gavin mention anything about BEE or AA seeing as we’re in racism and not gaming, lets talk politics 101… Because it seems we’re heading that way…

        I have no hate for anyone or anything, I dislike when one group of people want to be dominant of another group of people, but it’s the world we live in everyone wants to be ontop regardless of race… Just leave this matter to Valve and that’s that.

        How would you feel if you were angry with something said something wrong and by mistake and now me, an ordinary journalist asking for you to be banned and scarred for life among all your friends and family and the whole freaking world!!! He’s intruding on privacy which is irritating me and should everyone else that’s freaking brain dead!!!

  • That Tall Ork Norm

    I fully commend Strider on their conduct and attitude towards that idiot.
    We don’t need that racist rubbish in online games.

  • dece1t

    So glad that this has picked up momentum and people are actually getting called out on it.
    THIS IS A PROBLEM IN EVERY GAME, ACROSS ALL PLATFORMS. I have played competitively & socially for many years on many different titles and there are people everywhere that behave and speak like this. The amount of times I have asked people: “Please do not speak like that, get educated on the history of your own country” is quite frightening.

  • Brendyn Zachary

    If you think this is small issue or something being blown out of proportion I urge you to show somebody that fought through the struggle that was Apartheid those screenshots and the ensuing conversation and tell them that this was just a child acting out and is nothing but harmless talk. If they turn around and tell you that it’s okay for that person to use that word and brush it off like that then defend the little racist all you want.

    I’m guessing though, that they probably won’t be okay with it because even though it feels like 20 years is a long time it really isn’t and as a nation we need everything but this kind of separation caused by racism. I agree that this kid must be outed and made aware that it is not okay to say things like that because too often is racism seen as an accident or a reflex action when it really is not, yes Darren Scott I am looking at you.

    I’m glad that Gavin wrote this article because if anything it’s showed me how far we still need to go as a country and how backwards some of us still are.

  • Gustav Minnie

    Instant Permaban in League.
    Steam should incorporate a similar system.
    http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribunal/en/guidelines/

  • Tiaan Brink

    Boooring. This doesn’t only happen in DotA.

  • Just my opinion

    The only reason this is such a big deal is because people get upset about it. If no one acknowledged them or got offended by it they would stop on their own cause you take away the “fun” of the reaction. That’s the whole point of online banter, getting something that really offends someone and sticking to it to get all the rage. But in SA people are so sensitive to any form of racism that the moment someone utters something slightly racist everyone loses their minds. It’s a surefire way to get someone riled up. Society gave that word power. I’m not saying it’s acceptable, but I reckon throwing your toys and proclaiming to the world that its the worst thing since the plague will just increase the usage of the insult. I mean apparently it’s the worst thing you can say to someone…

    Normal dota I’ve gotten so much flak for english guys for speaking afrikaans cause I’m a “dutchman” or a “boer” or some shit. But I don’t care. I’m proud of my race and my culture. There is no way I would every take offense to someone trying to insult me about being white or afrikaans…

  • bluegoon

    Name and shame, Gavin, name and shame. It’s actually illegal to use racial slurs like those in our country, doesn’t matter what they think about the validity, it’s against the LAW.

    One of these days someone is going to file a compliant at the SAPS, then you’re going to see sports.

    I’m sick as shit of this anonymous racist bullshit in the local dota community, it’s been going on since the old dota servers, it’s really time these fools are made aware of their idiocy, they give us all a terrible name.

  • Jaco Moolman

    Racism will always tend to stick it’s head out somewhere, and we have to deal with it and move on, I know I don’t know how racially offended victims feel, I am white, and we don’t get hammered by racism nearly as hard as others, yes, I generally judge people by their individuality, not by race, stop blaming everything on racism and smart up a little.

  • Jhnshs

    Dont make a mob you stupid prick.

    • Wincethis

      Nice language there.

  • Wincethis

    Good work Gavin. Keep doing this, so sick of the almighty ‘privileged’ internet kiddies.

  • this site sucks

    hurr durr report this person for racism, op is a faggot

  • this site sucks

    as in spam for reports = faggot

  • Mustafa Al-Assad

    It’s not only the ‘k’ word that is used in Dota 2 on the SA servers. Racism towards possibly every single race is apparent. I know I’ve been called Arab suicide bomber by some players. I would assume they were Afrikaans judging by their accents (p.s not saying Afrikaners are racist. I’ve got great Afrikaans friends so don’t get me wrong).

  • Ivan De Bruin

    RapingNinja now has highest MMR in SA, 147th on EU leaderboard.
    Making south africa proud…

  • Prav

    Why not complain about the discrimination that afrikaners face in DOTA 2? Hypocrite, english speakers always bash afrikaners, so is that right? Why not write an article about that? Because whites can’t be discriminated towards? Neither can cultures? This is why you won’t get heard, because you are a two-faced, brain-washed little fool. Not only black people have feelings, you want somebody to respect you, you respect them first. I’m an indian guy from pretoria north, i grew up in an afrikaans community, and in my experience (1600 wins) it’s not white on black racism that is the problem in DOTA 2, it’s ‘english’ south africans that discriminate towards indians, asians (mongoloids) and predominantly afrikaans people. If racism is bad, why isn’t cultural discrimination just as bad? You the guy complaining are most probably a part of the demographic of people who are the worst offenders. Secondly, freedom of speech is important, I don’t see the racist koos guy trying to censor people, but i do see you trying to project your beliefs, standards (or lack thereof) and ideals upon people that don’t think like you. Now tell me who’s the NAZI, him or you?

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