Just two short weeks ago, it was easy for Sony to take jabs at Microsoft and its silly DRM and used games restrictions. That’s changed now that Microsoft has dropped its DRM, and Sony has to start fighting properly. And the first sneaky salvo in this renewed battle comes with Sony saying that the PS4 has better graphics than the Xbox One.
"The reality is that every time a generation changes the playing field is leveled," Senior vice president Guy Longworth said in an interview with Games Industry.biz. “We actually think that we’re going to have superior graphic fidelity, but the whole value proposition has to be right."
According to rumoured statistics, the PS4’s GPU is capable of delivering 50% more raw-number crunching goodness than the Xbox One’s – which Microsoft will be leveraging through its use of the cloud.
Beyond that though, both consoles are architecturally rather similar and of course, it’s not just about the shiny graphics.
When it comes to consoles, the number one bit of import is games. which system do you feel has the better games right now?
Last Updated: June 26, 2013
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:07
The power of the cloud*
*real world results may vary significantly to advertised content
HvR
June 26, 2013 at 12:10
MS boardroom meeting:
puff puff pass
“So that is the DRM policy, what about GPU”
puff puff pass
“Look at the dragon in the smoke cloud, this is good shit”
puff puff pass
“Cooool, we should totally use the cloud for graphics”
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:12
Make the hotbox bigger guys, so we can get more in.
Someone misunderstood the statement and designed a much bigger Xbox.
Captain Minion TallTwit
June 26, 2013 at 12:14
Have an up vote.
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:30
Hahaha! Nicely put. I wonder if that’s why they went back on the DRM. “Like, did I say we were using DRM, or like uhhh, did you? Where are we?”
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:31
That would explain May 21st.
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:32
Like uhhh, when was that? 0-O
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:43
Xbox announcement.
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:54
0-O I was acting as stoned MS employee!
OVG
June 26, 2013 at 12:51
puff puff pass
“What about this new craze called Spaceboof and boobtube?”
puff puff pass
“We have it already. But what about a 48hour or weekly check to see if the children are behaving and not watching to much of that Pirates of Cuba?”
puff puff pass
“Naaaaaaaa 24hours is that cool TV series, lets do it every 24hours”
puff puff pass
“Raise your hands if you like Kieth?”
puff puff pass
“24 hours it is then”
PUUUUUFFFFF PUFFFFFFF
“Should the Kinect be on or off?”
PUUUUUUUUUUF
“Both”
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:53
HAHAHAHAHAHAH! Nicely done.
R4geGam3r
June 26, 2013 at 19:02
Have you seen Titanfall?
/jk
TechniKyle
June 26, 2013 at 12:08
I’m going to treat this the same way I do with magnum ice-creams. Unless someone buys me that new flavoured ice-cream, I’m going to stick to my guns and go with death by chocolate.
OminousRain
June 26, 2013 at 13:21
Haha
Ultimo_Cleric N7
June 27, 2013 at 08:29
BIscotti one is amazeballs. Just saying.
Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim
June 27, 2013 at 08:37
Hmm…DAT almond flavoured ice-cream.
Ultimo_Cleric N7
June 27, 2013 at 08:47
Foreigners visiting here always say that MINT is the best, since we are one of the few countries you can find it in. No MINT flavour in most of Europe apparently. Poor souls…..
TechniKyle
June 27, 2013 at 09:15
My sister’s BF bought me one. So I know what it tastes like.
Ultimo_Cleric N7
June 27, 2013 at 09:24
Good man.
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:08
This. If you’re going to pick up a console at launch (which isn’t a good idea), you should consider the legacy of the previous console to gauge what the game situation would look like 3 years from now.
Lord Chaos
June 26, 2013 at 12:11
I seriously loose faith in a product when they say start saying things like this.
On paper, yes, it’s more powerful, but I’ve run my fair share of GDDR3 vs GDDR5 tests and benchmarks and the difference is negligible.
And not just on RAM, on all I have done before upgrading my PC.
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:13
Well, if the RAM isn’t convincing, the GPU output is higher on the PS4.
Lord Chaos
June 26, 2013 at 12:18
My point stays, I even did GPU tests, unless you can show me actual benchmarks you can go get screwed, saying on paper it has double this or provides 60% more that means nothing.
Are those TFlops actually being used and so forth.
Unless I can see a marked frame rate increase and smoother handling of the same game on two different cards then I really don’t care who says what.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:21
The graphics card that’s in there is capable of handling higher graphics and pure power throughput. It’s not up to PS4 to ensure the games look pretty or run great now. It’s up to the developers to decide if they want to use that power and how much to push the graphics.
So it’s in dev hands now.
Lord Chaos
June 26, 2013 at 12:27
Exactimo.
And that would only happen for exclusives, and IF clock speeds and so forth are actually all round better and they don’t sit with another bottleneck.
Why would they create a game with amazing graphics only to recreate on lower for another system.
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:28
We’ll be seeing fewer outsourced ports this gen which is always a good thing.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:31
Yep. At the end of the day it’s about who does what with games. The systems are now there. On paper the PS4 does appear faster in the graphics department and has less OS overhead to worry about so in theory devs have more to work with.
But the proof will be in the pudding
Lord Chaos
June 26, 2013 at 12:34
And even when it comes to RAM… I went overkill with 32GB of DDR3 2166 and I am yet to see it top 5GB. Even Metro: Last Light doesn’t pass 5GB total used, and that’s including OS
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:37
I have 4GB Ram and vary rarely is that not enough.
It’s also 1600 ram and I run it at 1333 because there is zero performance difference in games between the 2 speeds. RAM is one of the most over exaggerated pieces of hardware around. What counts is you CPU and GFX power.
All you need is enough RAM to handle the requests and it doesn’t need to be running any faster than 1333
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:41
The difference with a PC is that the games cap out with memory consumption. With a console, developers develop to fully utilise the console’s specs because there is a uniform architecture.
Lord Chaos
June 26, 2013 at 12:42
But I doubt they will dev for PS4 utilizing all and then go back to the drawing board for the one.
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:44
Ja, I was referring to comparing PC and Console performance. You can’t compare them.
Lord Chaos
June 26, 2013 at 12:41
Yep, and even when it comes to that, some things are not even worth mentioning. The diff between PCI-E2 and 3 being a prime example.
Hell, my development tools take up more then any game so far.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:53
Lol. I was actually wondering about the difference between PCIE2 and 3. Haven’t seen any benches show any form of vast improvement yet. I put it down to game optimization not having caught u yet
Lord Chaos
June 26, 2013 at 13:00
Ended up getting a 3 card anyway, but the board is only 2, so technically not using all these ‘massive’ jumps, but saved on the board and savings went to sound and other stuff.
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:22
That’s nasty >:(
In all seriousness though, there have been a few mentions from developers saying the same thing. No one’s implying the Xbox One is going to have noticeably worse graphics, but there’s no reason to believe they’ll be on par either. We’ll only start seeing differences in a year+ when multiplat developers are familiar with the architecture.
Lord Chaos
June 26, 2013 at 12:28
Well… not you, the people trying to sell me hardware.
HvR
June 26, 2013 at 12:13
Details are lacking but it seems that PS4 is running a more powerful Radeon core than the One (there has been hints previously with reported processing capabilities One 1.2TFLOPS vs PS4’s 1.8TFLOPS)
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:16
I also forgot to mention that 3GB of memory is sacrificed for running the OS’s on the Xbox One – compared to the 1GB for the PS4’s interface.
Lord Chaos
June 26, 2013 at 12:21
That is very true, and I’m not putting one console over the other.
Just stating that these words are meaningless unless they can back it up with cold hard facts.
gggg
June 27, 2013 at 23:18
The xb1’s gpu won’t be using any of the 8gb ddr3 ram unless devs can max out its main memory first for graphic processing. The xb1 gpu memory is the 32mb esram, which is way faster than the gddr5 ram. 32 Mb esram =102 gb/s bandwidth, all that just for the gpu, and on top of that the gpu also has access to the 8 GB ddr3 ram.
Uberutang
June 26, 2013 at 13:17
My current GPU does 2.4TFLOPS. So 1.2 is seriously low and 1.8 is not that impressive for 2013…. nevermind 2016 etc. they should have gone with more hardcore hardware.
HvR
June 26, 2013 at 13:49
It gets difficult to do direct comparisons between separate GPU cards via PCI-E and cores on the same silicone. Also having a set max resolution 1080p makes it easier.
Also those figures were “leaked” info and not official.
Uberutang
June 26, 2013 at 13:53
True. Dont you think 1080p is a bit low to aim for though? If these consoles need to be future proof surely they should be aiming for 4k / 60fps at the very least, right out the box? Just fear these things is going to be dated again in 5 years time.
HvR
June 26, 2013 at 14:08
Not at all, to go to 4K now is jumping the gun and will drastically increase console prices since now you need to process 16 times the graphical data.
The international commercial 4K tv units just hit the markets now, using the HDTV adoption as an guide (which was quite a quick adoption in technology terms), first international commercial set came out in 1998, HDTV broadcast and media only came available in 2004 with market wide adoption only happening in 2007/8. So at around the same adoption rate we are looking at 4K only becoming a reality for the everyday man at around 2020 with market wide adoption only at around 2022.
So it is quite possible that even the next generation not catering for 4K.
Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim
June 26, 2013 at 12:43
But SONY said the ps4 was better, and they wouldn’t lie to me! They wouldn’t lie to their customers! SONY SAID SO!
They wouldn’t include rootkits on their audio CD’s, and then deny their existence. They’d never hide PSN hacks until they had no choice but to make them public. and they’d never force blu-ray or 3d on consumers in order to sell tech.
NOT MY SONY!
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:48
WoW dude, calm down. Hyperbole, I know, but still.
I’ve never personally encountered a Sony cockroach like that, lol. I think a lot of what happened with that hack was confusion, and Japanese business ethics. As for the rootkits, I’ve seen it a lot, and Microsoft are even worse having given out personal information to the NSA recently. If you’re involved with any large company, they are always looking for ways to cop a feel and invade your privacy.
Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim
June 26, 2013 at 12:49
People like that actually exist. We used to have a ton of ’em here 😛
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:56
And I have met Microsoft and Nintendo people like that. It’s when you offer a reasonable argument that they get riled up. As a Sony consumer, I feel they’ve done right by me, but that is the first I’ve heard of rootkits in music.
Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim
June 26, 2013 at 12:58
Was whole huge scandal years ago. Was interesting – because they first denied it, then denied it was harmful – then they released an uninstaller, which didn’t actually uninstall it, just hid it from programs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 13:01
Sony, you so silly. I’m glad Kaz Hirai is running the show, and putting competent peeps in charge.
As for the rootkit thing, I’ve encountered 2 NCSoft games requiring a rootkit install. I’m sure there are plenty other examples. I think it’s just a disconnect between the company and the consumer, they don’t even consider it as an invasion of privacy or a security problem.
Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim
June 26, 2013 at 13:08
Playstation’s current management instills faith in me. Not just Hirai, but Tretton -and yoshida who really seem to care about games, Andrew House, who really understands games a a business and best of all, Adam Boyes who’s now doing developer relations. He’s rad.
I think there’s a genuine culture of videogaming going on at Sony at the moment, where its figureheads don’t *come across* as pure business.
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 15:10
The other Geoff in gaming mentioned that Tretton is well known within the industry for being a genuine, nice guy. Hearing that makes me happy. We need more relatable nice people taking our money from us.
Lord Chaos
June 26, 2013 at 12:50
Nor would they make my PS3 a very expensive door stop…
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:55
Well, they did release a fix for that if you’re referring to the 4.45 update. I think ‘bricking’ was the wrong word to throw around the internet since a reset of the system sorted the problem.
Lord Chaos
June 26, 2013 at 12:58
That was only sarcasm. Just glad I didn’t download that update.
I might throw around some very juxtaposed opinions but at the end I’m a gamer and will end up getting both anyway at some point.
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:58
As do I. Always open to new information.
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:58
Troll level over 9000!
Samantha Leigh Tavener
June 26, 2013 at 12:12
I’m not sure which console has the better games, I’ve heard from both sides that each has more exclusives than the other. But I believe when it comes to gaming, the graphic, while impressive, don’t drive the story. I like games that capture my imagination in terms of interesting characters and storyline. With the technology of today I believe both PS4 and Xbox One with be graphically beautiful, I’ll wait and see which games capture my interest.
Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim
June 26, 2013 at 12:22
Stop speaking sense! That’s not what console wars are about! 😉
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:32
Burn the heretic!
Spathi
June 26, 2013 at 12:35
Let me help her:
Roflol, Xbone will look like NES games compared to PlayStation 4!1!!!! Xbots can’t even play Last of Us or Uncharted, only the same games always, which games are for kids. PS will even be better than PCs!!!! PS4TW!!!!!!
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:38
Oi! You said it wasn’t Friday!
Spathi
June 26, 2013 at 12:38
Dammit 😀
HvR
June 26, 2013 at 12:41
We are turning Lazygamer into place of sensible debate one post at a time.
Making Gavin happy to see his wonderful gaming site utopia coming to form.
Then when he least expects it we drag it other mothers, favorite gaming platform and CoD playing abilities into it and “burn” utopia to to the ground.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:42
Has no one learned that Utopia’s never work? Just look at Rapture and Columbia. Those all get turned to nothing but rubble
HvR
June 26, 2013 at 12:48
precisely and ruins the creator
muhahahaha!
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:51
Wait, that’s right… The creator always bites the dust 0_o. Oh no! Gavin! Don’t do it man! Don’t turn lagz in to a utopia!
Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim
June 26, 2013 at 12:44
Just you wait until Ghosts gets the Best of 2013 award!
Kromas
June 26, 2013 at 13:15
Already have a bullet loaded into my gun for that day. And yes games will have been involved in my death 😛
HvR
June 26, 2013 at 14:10
… and Lazygamer is owned and sponsored by Bob Martin.
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:24
Currently, Xbox One has more exclusives, if I were completely impartial I would be closer to Xbox One as a casual gamer. If Sony pull through at Gamescom, might be a different story.
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
June 26, 2013 at 12:29
Very much agreed. that’s essentially what games are supposed to do. It’s great to indulge in a world outside of ours, one we know will never exist
CaptainNemo42
June 26, 2013 at 12:41
I agree with your argument that graphics is not the reason for buying a console, and while it does add to the value of the experience, it is not the sole factor to overall enjoyment.
Hypothetical question then: Lets say both consoles were exactly equal in hardware, and added services, who would you then say gets your money should you buy a console on launch? Looking at current offerings of actual games.
Captain Minion TallTwit
June 26, 2013 at 12:12
Must…stop…laughing…at…header…
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:18
Yeah definite header lulz
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:17
You do bring about a very fair point. But one really doesn’t know what games are coming in the future. We have a rough idea of the new few earlier games and one or 2 late ones.
So for those who chose to adopt early it’s a little more difficult to decide on long term.
But yes, one needs to be smart about this and try to think as much long term as possible
Tarisma
June 26, 2013 at 12:20
Ordered my PS4 last night. Yippy
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
June 26, 2013 at 12:23
Can’t really say, A lot of games were running on PCs too. Too early to tell. Once devs get comfatable with the system we will see really amazing graphics. Example —-> The Last of Us
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:24
I doubt it will take them as long this time since the environment they will be coding for will be pretty much PC anyway. So they should get the hang of it much faster and should then be able tor produce some amazing visuals.
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:27
Ja, here’s hoping. Sony are pretty confident and have said that development turnaround has dropped to 2 years over 3 – which is really good for us. Multiplatform developers and indies benefit the most this gen.
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
June 26, 2013 at 12:27
True, I mean looking at some of the games, they already look amazing. But I still prefer art style over graphics really…I don’t know but Battlefield 4 looks purrty but I’ve seen those environments and everything else before. Then I look at Murdered Soul, and the art direction looks really neat and different
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:29
I feel like I was born and raised in New York, for example. Would be nice to see more games set outside of the US.
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
June 26, 2013 at 12:30
Not just outside of the US….outside of this dimension
OminousRain
June 26, 2013 at 13:29
O yes please.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:33
Yes, this is where I agree with you!
If I look at BF4 it’s great and all but too “real” then I look at games like Bioshock Infinite and as you mentioned, Murdered Soul and I think to myself “now this is what games should be looking like” simply because it doesn’t mimic real life and takes creative licence with the “world” you play in
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
June 26, 2013 at 12:37
Exactly …. Why should I care about how realistic my Dog looks in Ghosts, I see dogs everyday…What I don’t see is Flying Hobos throwing grapefruits….but seriously, yes, It’s too real. Real is good too, but hearts are captured my imaginative worlds not Highest Fidelity graphics .
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:37
Couldn’t have said it better myself
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:39
‘this is a fantasy based on reality.’
FFXV is a good example.
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
June 26, 2013 at 12:41
Yes! what if our world was like that, it looks real, but an alternative fantasy version. Even the Last of Us, how would our world look after such an outbreak.
Rock789
June 26, 2013 at 12:33
The PS4 line up definitely has me more excited at the moment. Yes, I love the look and sound of Forza 5. But 1 game does not maketh the console. 😉
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:33
What I want to know is how long it’s going to take PCs to finally level up and compete with these two consoles…
Ultimo_Cleric N7
June 26, 2013 at 12:34
Happened a few months back ^^
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:35
hehehe 😉
Lord Chaos
June 26, 2013 at 12:35
lol. What? back in the late 70’s?
OminousRain
June 26, 2013 at 13:30
LOL, Yip pretty much.
But I must say. Very excited about the new gen. Not going to buy one.
But just think that, when the dev for PC, they don’t need to hold back as much.
Spathi
June 26, 2013 at 12:36
It’s not Friday yet, hold back a bit!!
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:37
Haha! It’s a slow day, and I need something to keep my smurf fingers from freezing completely.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:40
They already have with the advent of the new generation GFX cards.
The highest graphics game coming out for next gen currently is BF4 and PC’s are already running that. It’s what the tech demos are being showcased on.
That being said, you can’t buy a R7000 PC that would run BF4 at 1080p at 60FPS either.
Ultimo_Cleric N7
June 26, 2013 at 12:43
Yip, looks like another 10k drop to get a decent PC. This is my point, its just becoming so expensive to stay a PC gamer.
Hence why I am so interested in the console wars.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:46
Once you have a rig it isn’t too pricy. A good 3k mid range card as of late will do (any current gen AMD or nVidia).
But if you are trying to start up gaming for a first time or haven’t upgraded in a long time then your bank account is going to have an exceptionally bad time
Ultimo_Cleric N7
June 26, 2013 at 12:36
Both have some great games coming out.
But after E3 there is only one word that matters to me (IE MY opinion, not what I think is Fact)
Destiny……
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:36
So if the Xbox One is going to reply on the Cloud, and people don’t have the cloud, what are we talking about? Games that are not going to look as pretty for those without internet?
Ultimo_Cleric N7
June 26, 2013 at 12:37
So basically, you still need Internet access to get the best graphical quality and gameplay experience then?
Spathi
June 26, 2013 at 12:38
The power of the cloud = DRM
Ultimo_Cleric N7
June 26, 2013 at 12:41
Cloud tech is incredible, no doubt about it. And no more DRM on the Xbox is a good thing indeed. But the PS4 still feels like the more ‘Solid’ system, no but’s/if’s. Just an easy system. Well at least thats what they have told us so far.
Spathi
June 26, 2013 at 12:46
Cloud tech is dedicated servers. It is the same as Diablo 3’s server that did the AI, but not to call upon the mighty power of the cloud, but as a way to implement DRM. I’m really really skeptical about the whole cloud thing. There are pros to dedicated servers obviously, but I’m scared that people like EA may abuse them.
If the Publishers doesn’t abuse the “cloud”, great stuff. I’m all for it then. Although I HIGHLY doubt we will get any real performance boost from them, and if indeed, it will probably be negligible.
Oh well, time will tell. Thank you MS for giving us something to speculate about 🙂
Ultimo_Cleric N7
June 26, 2013 at 12:49
ugh…is it going to be like Diablo 3? wow, in that case Ms can jump ship. I HATED the fact that you needed an interent connection to play SP……you are totally right though. Cant see EA NOT abusing the cloud funtionality. Hence why they are practically in bed with MS.
Spathi
June 26, 2013 at 12:52
Look, actually I know nothing. I am Jon Snow! But MS haven’t yet given me any reason not to be skeptical about the alleged power of the cloud. There are a lot of articles about how the power of the cloud is BS. With the Xbox having had troubles with piracy this gen, I can’t think of a better cover-up than coining a new term and making it seem awesome than: “the power of the cloud”.
I maybe completely wrong, and I hope I am.
Ultimo_Cleric N7
June 26, 2013 at 12:55
HAHAHA!! YOU NOO NUTHIN JOHN SNOWW!!!!
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:39
My point exactly. The system is $100 more, you need to have internet for the thing to work nicely, isn’t that kindda like DRM is still here, like that bad taste in your mouth after a night out with a bottle of whisky and your, uhhh…
Happy Hamster
June 26, 2013 at 12:42
And your Saints Row 4 replica banned in Australia weapon?
HvR
June 26, 2013 at 12:46
better learn the correct safe word
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:47
No DRM?
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:41
I think that it would be integral to the game to have the cloud processing. So if you don’t have internet you won’t be able to run the game at all.
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:41
You think they won’t offer a miltilayered experience. Like, when you up a game from 720 to 1080?
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:44
Nope. Because the cloud won’t be assisting running your graphics (From what I gather) but rather doing things like AI calculations, loot drop calculations etc; and so opening up local console processing power to handle the graphics alone.
So no cloud would mean no AI etc which means no game
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:46
If that is the case wow. I always gathered the cloud was there as like a purple dildo for an Australian Politician, you know, an extension of what he/she already is… Le Sigh…
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:48
Hahahaha. Nope. Cloud computing is nowhere NEAR ready to really share CPU and GPU processing power over the net. Internet is just not fast enough currently with way too much latency issues which would cause a whole bunch of clock cycle sync issues on a CPU for example.
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:53
I always thought that too. *Stick to my PS4 I think…
Warren Ross
June 26, 2013 at 12:41
I don’t see how they plan to off-load processing for a real-time application like a video game into the cloud…
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:42
Isn’t that what they keep going on about? I know they mentioned things like Ava(can’t believe I am going to say it)drive, but I am sure they said that with the 300,000 servers they can make the actual games look better
Warren Ross
June 26, 2013 at 12:49
I haven’t kept abreast of all the claims, but I simply don’t see how off-loading processing into the cloud will really help in a game from a rendering point of view…a modern GPU processes so many millions of instructions per second regarding textures and triangles and vertices and surfaces etc. that I can’t fathom how pushing anything like that into the cloud across an internet connection that AT BEST has a latency of a few milliseconds is going to improve graphical fidelity…
Perhaps I just spend too much time with outlandish claims about “teh cloud o.0” that I’m a little jaded. 🙂
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:51
No I am with you on this, I don’t get it too. Doesn’t make sense. But then again, we’ve forgotten that we can order pizza while playing, maybe this is what the 300,000 servers are for? A greater variety of toppings?
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 12:54
It’s mostly inflated, but there is some merit to the claim. If AI calculations are done ‘through the cloud’ it’s one less thing your hardware has to deal with, and so the resources can be used to improve the look of the game. It’s not going to be a noticeable difference, but it could improve performance. The main advantage is improved AI.
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:56
So improved, meaning if you don;’t have cloud you just have stupid AI, but at least you can play? A few comments further up suggesting you won’t even be able to play the games if you don’t have cloud…
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:58
From what I gathered it’s required if it uses cloud computing. No middle ground. But I am no expert and we will have to wait and see.
This generation, unlike any other, is the most dangerous to be an early adopter in because no one knows exactly where either companies are really heading.
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:58
Very true.
Argentil
June 26, 2013 at 13:02
Forza is an example of optionally improved AI.
Lardus
June 26, 2013 at 12:43
Which platform has the better games….PC! Master Race RULES!
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:45
I am a PC player but I have to disagree. I am starting to become envious of the console crowd because as of late they are getting all the cool titles 🙁
Yes I am a bit bitter about that
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:47
You sure it’s not cus our consoles now out power yours? trolololo!
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:49
Your consoles don’t 🙂 The best tech demos your consoles have thrown out so far have been running on PC’s. #JustSaying 😛 #TrollolRightBackAtYou 😛
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:50
Lies! All lies, seeded by PC boys who want my precious Xbone! 0-O
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:50
Urm… Right… Moving on to the next comment then
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:52
It’s been a longish week 😉
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:54
Stop. Dude just stop. Hahahahahaha
Admiral Chief Groot Wors
June 27, 2013 at 09:18
HEAR HEAR!!!
CypherGate
June 26, 2013 at 12:52
Thats true very true. I used to be quite the PC Gamer, but there are such great titles on the consoles that dont come to pc that I just had to get into the console game as well. So i play certain PC games (Civilisatioin Gods and Kings, some FPS’s) and then others on Console.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:56
Yeah, I just don’t think I am ready to make the move to console yet. But I feel the time is fast approaching looking at the weight developers are already throwing at next-gen gaming on consoles
Spathi
June 26, 2013 at 12:59
Buy a PS3 this December. Just do it!! The PS3 is not supposed to convert you into a console pleb. It will broaden your gaming horizon and makes for a great media player as well.
With PSN+ at R 365 a year, you won’t have to buy any games for it. Best investment ever!!
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 13:00
All I want is to be able to play Journey darnit! Why it no come to PC!?
CypherGate
June 26, 2013 at 13:02
Also i dont know but i get a sense of relaxation when sitting in front of my TV and gaming on my couch whereas with my PC I game at my desk. The feel is different. I wonder if im the only one who feels that way? The thing also with me is that current console graphics i kinda have to ignore cause PC Spoilt my eyes with all its eye candy, but playability and the mere fact you pop in a disc and just play with basically no errors makes it so appealing as well.
Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim
June 26, 2013 at 13:02
that’s what ended up “turning” me too. :/
I’ll happily play on anything, but pc gaming makes it somehow feel like work to me. Sure, i can hook my pc up to my tv, and use a controller..but it *still* just doesm’t feel the same.
CypherGate
June 26, 2013 at 13:09
The feel is different indeed. Working on a PC or mac whole day and coming home to relax to play games on a PC would feel like work. I think thats what makes it different. Even as you say having a PC hooked up to an HD TV and use a controller to play your games still just doesn’t feel the same. Look at us now? On PC’s working so imagine you want to get time away from the thought of work only to get behind a pc again.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 13:05
Well the TV/couch thing doesn’t bother me as I have my PC attached to my TV 🙂 So I get that same pleasure with keyboard on lap, mouse on side coffee table and stretched out on the couch.
Very relaxing 🙂 But I do imagine a controller would be a little more comfortable
CypherGate
June 26, 2013 at 13:07
lol i think i link PC to work is cause i work like 12hours a day with a Mac/PC so coming home to play games on a pc would make it feel like work lol
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 13:08
Here I have to say I agree. I sit in front of a PC for 10 hours a day, when I get home and see my home PC I have this unreasonable hatred of it. I then put my 360 on as a way of making the PC jealous. I’ve also always like being able to move from chair to couch to even standing while being able to play without much hassle of moving mouse/keyboard.
Double-O-Six and a half
June 26, 2013 at 13:49
Simple Solution…
play at work!!!
I’m not sure how long you’d still have a job but at least your problem of associating PC gaming with work will be resolved…
CypherGate
June 26, 2013 at 14:55
lol I wish it was that easy!
Lardus
June 26, 2013 at 12:58
Lol, I play the most games on my Xbox, but was attempting a troll since I do not know yet which console I will be getting 🙂
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 13:00
Hehe. Successful troll is successful at making me feel bitter about the lack of PC exclusives.
I’m just going to go cry in that corner over their if no one has any complaints.
Andre116
June 26, 2013 at 13:12
Join us…we all float down here…
Also, our hands are warmer in the winter because we can hold the control under a blanket while playing games.
Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim
June 26, 2013 at 13:13
What else do you hold under the blanket while you play games?
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 13:14
Play nice… Or is that what you are trying to suggest? 0-O
Andre116
June 26, 2013 at 13:44
If I get a Xbox one I’m sure that my Kinect will be happy to show you.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 13:14
My parents always told me my hands should stay above the blankets 😛
Andre116
June 26, 2013 at 13:47
That was only because you were making that other people in the room extremely uncomfortable.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 13:51
I walked in to that one didn’t I?
Andre116
June 26, 2013 at 13:58
No…sounds more like your parents walked in on that one.
CaptainNemo42
June 26, 2013 at 13:22
That even started this generation. Just look at Red Dead Redemption.
YnotNDalton
July 4, 2013 at 05:50
this is actually true
OVG
June 26, 2013 at 12:44
It is also an off line console, no spycam, more RAM and $99 cheaper than the green turd.
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
June 26, 2013 at 12:46
Is it just me or has everyone kind of calmed down ? things seem a lot nicer i the comments now
Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim
June 26, 2013 at 12:47
It’s cos Erwinn’s not here today. ;P
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 12:50
He is always here with us in our hearts 🙂
Admiral Chief Groot Wors
June 27, 2013 at 09:16
Chewing on your vital organs, yessssss
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
June 26, 2013 at 12:55
He is here today, just … in a different form … we ain’t even seen his final form
Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim
June 26, 2013 at 13:00
He just keeps adding letters to his name as he evolves.
Soon, he’ll be Erwinnnnnnnnnnnn Kempfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 26, 2013 at 13:01
Ha! Hahahaha! Hahahahahaha!
I’m ok… I’m…. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Admiral Chief Groot Wors
June 27, 2013 at 09:16
YOU TOO
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
June 27, 2013 at 10:20
We missed you yesterday 🙂
Admiral Chief Groot Wors
June 27, 2013 at 09:16
*AHEM*
Zoe
June 26, 2013 at 14:02
are you implying that erwinnnn’s a pokemon? do we need to breed and evolve him?
RitterBruder
June 26, 2013 at 14:18
It all makes sense now !! i can die peacefully
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
June 26, 2013 at 14:23
Erwin … more like erwee , he was given a dry wors stone and thus became Groot Wors … so depending on the type of stone we give him, we will get different results 🙂
Admiral Chief Groot Wors
June 27, 2013 at 09:16
OI!!!
Admiral Chief Groot Wors
June 27, 2013 at 09:17
*gives Geoff the stink eye*
RinceTheWhiskyWithIce
June 26, 2013 at 12:49
It’s cus Gavin has spoken 0-O Oh, and Foxhound is still in a mental bin after hearing about no more DRM and it beinr $99 more… (The following comments from Rincethis have been censored by Gavin… trololo!)
Umar Kiiroi Senk?
June 26, 2013 at 12:56
Let it be known … Gavin has the voice of power, let him say STAND! and we shall jump!
Tbone187
June 26, 2013 at 13:03
It’s the multiplatform games that have my attention…Ryse looks amazing on Xbox but so to does infamous on PS… Everything else pales into insignificance in front of the new MGS tho with Battlefield a close 2nd…
FoxOneZA - X-Therminator
June 26, 2013 at 13:06
Can we discuss this over some tea and cucumber sammich’s ol’ chaps?
brad coetzee
June 26, 2013 at 13:21
Sunset Overdrive has me sold on the xbox one but Im going to be smart and wait a year to see which console is the better. I still got my PC so I dont really care.
ALKi1234
June 26, 2013 at 13:42
No frame rate issues at least……yeah!After playing red dead redemption,me eyes was so red it looked like i had a FAT joint.
FoxOneZA - X-Therminator
June 26, 2013 at 13:46
It’s typical for PS3 games to screen tear.
YnotNDalton
July 4, 2013 at 05:48
its the other way around.. 360 screen tears bad.. look at dragons dogma.. its horrible on 360
Lord Chaos
June 26, 2013 at 14:01
I do have a feeling this has way more comments than it should.
Khulani Ndlovu
June 26, 2013 at 14:13
So the headsets are unnecessary, i just don’t get why the inclusion of kinect can affect the availability of just simple headset, i wanna be private on my conversation not loud speaker, damn they just don’t get it privacy, no wonder they want eyes on you,
Deano
June 26, 2013 at 14:36
Judging from last gen comments that the PS3 was going to blow away the Xbox 360 I think we will have similar results this time. Both systems graphics will be more or less the same, and AAA games will look great on both.
Sageville
June 26, 2013 at 15:03
For me they can’t really make such sweeping statements until they compare apples with apples.
I’m waiting for Destiny. When thats out on both platforms I’ll be looking forward to seeing proper comparisons (There LG, some future article for ya).
..and being totally unbiased I see PS4 pooning Xbone so hard that it’s old DRM policies will be restored.
R4geGam3r
June 26, 2013 at 19:01
Totally agree I think with the PS3 Sony has showed that they are not scared to introduce new IP’s and support it through the whole of it’s life cycle. And hopefully this will carry through to the PS4. The reason I made Xbox my main console was due to 3rd Party exclusives like Mass Effect, Bioshock etc. Seeing as these were timed I won’t be making the same mistake twice. Not one 1st party MS exclusive grasped me this gen and also seeing how they only had GOW:Judgment this year. PS4 all the way.
Thats_how_I_Troll
June 28, 2013 at 09:59
Hi All, just want to find out by the other PC techs, pc tweaking, do you guys switch of core parking on your CPU? And Radeonpro, have any of you guys use it?