The PS3 is fatally flawed

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Scotty I need more power

Gameplayer.com.au has put up a very interesting, and from what I can see, factually correct article on the problems that the PS3 is experiencing and will continue to experience for the life of this console.

The PS3 has been on a run this year and a lot of people believe that it has turned the corner and will now get into it’s stride and wipe the floor with the 360…

However this is just not going to happen, not with the current architecture of the PS3.

So what are the main problems? Well the first one is that Blu-Ray player that possibly saved the PS3 last year. The problem lies with the slow transfer rate of the Blu-Ray drive which has resulted in those infamous installs.

Gameplayer puts it nicely by asking what the point is of having all that storage if you have to install it into the machine anyway?

But that isn’t the biggest problem, the biggest problem that is facing the PS3 is the fact that Sony only stuck in 256Mb of RAM into it… This is why the Xbox 360 will always win the cross platform comparisons, simply because the PS3 is undeniably crippled in this department.

Strangely enough the reason why the 360 has 512Mb is purely down to Epic games and Gears of War… Legend has it that Epic showed Microsoft how Gears would look with only 256Mb of RAM and then showed them Gears in 512… the deal was then done…

So are Sony going to release a new version with some more RAM in this generation? They need to but they can’t… not without upsetting a lot of people.

Source: Gameplayer.com.au

Last Updated: July 14, 2008

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  • darthdad

    True, the PS3 will never be a wannabe PC……. 😥

  • hilt_ctn

    Maybe they should have read this before posting

    http://talkplaystation.com/ps3s-ram-and-rsx-explained/

    Credit to TheAlteredState

  • ocelot

    Metal Gear Solid 4 and Uncharted say otherwise.

  • kabraal

    Gameplayer.com.au has put up a very interesting, “and from what I can see, factually correct article.

    Bawhahwhahwhahwa.

  • PS3 expert

    Horribly inaccurate.

    The PS3 has 512 MB RAM just like the 360, but each has its own bus. This means twice the bandwidth to the main RAM compared to the 360’s design. On the 360 only the GPU or the CPU can either access the shared RAM (similar approach as some cheap PCs).

    The XDR RAM in the PS3 is much faster and has much lower latency, which is important to CPUs, especially for a 8 processor CPU like the Cell. The GPU on the PS3 can use this XDR Ram if needed, providing significant bandwidth advantages (the RSX has a relatively large amount of cache). In addition the PS3 comes with a default harddrive, which gives the PS3 a RAM advantage (compare this to virual RAM on a PC).

    With regard to the Blu-Ray drive, the provided information is also horribly flawed. It is different as compared to DVD, that’s why some devs will have to restructure their filesystem structure to get better results. Optimized for the provided sustained predictable reading speeds. A true technical comparison:

    “For really old Blu-Ray drives (like 3 years ago). The PS3 uses a fairly compact triple wavelength OPU.

    From my own personal experience testing a Sony BD-RE drive (actually uses a Panasonic drive mechanism) and a Hitachi-LG drive of similar specs, for similar sized data sets the BD drive typically has almost the same if not significantly faster random seek times. That’s generally because data sets between 4-8GB span the entire disc for for DVD-ROM while only covering a third of a BD-ROM, so on average a BD-ROM is going to have seek times in the range 50-100ms with a worst case scenario of around 200-230ms. The DVD-ROM drive will average between 110-150ms with a worst case scenario of around 170-230ms.

    Of course once you start getting into larger data sets that that Blu-Ray can handle the average and worst case scenarios (which is an entire disc sweep which takes around 350-400ms) will eclipse the worst case conditions on a DVD-ROM. That being said, even with 23+GB of data with a 100 randomly generate seek sectors I still get around 100ms on average. Besides, if you find the need to randomly jump around to random sectors greater than 4GB in span, then your title has bigger issues than the capabilities of the drive.”

    http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=42157&highlight=speed&page=2

    “2x Blu-ray Drive (72Mbps(9MB/s))
    Single Layer (2http://www.neogaf.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=10460097
    NeoGAF – Reply to Topicx CLV) – Constant Linear Velocity (Same speed across entire disk)
    Double Layer – Couldn’t find any data but no games have been released on a double layer yet.

    Entire Blu-ray Disk is read at 9MB/s.

    12x DVD-Rom Drive SL (9.25MB/S-15.85MB/s(AVG ~8x(10.57MB/s) DL (4.36MB/s-10.57MB/s(AVG ~6x(7.93MB/s)
    SL(DVD-5) 12x Max (5-12x Full CAV) – Constant Angular Velocity (Speed Varies from edge to edge)
    DL(DVD-9) 8x Max (3.3-8x Full CAV) – Constant Angular Velocity (Speed Varies from edge to edge)

    SL DVD is 1.57MB/s > SL Blu-ray
    DL DVD is 1.07MB/s

  • PS3 expert

    “For really old Blu-Ray drives (like 3 years ago). The PS3 uses a fairly compact triple wavelength OPU.

    From my own personal experience testing a Sony BD-RE drive (actually uses a Panasonic drive mechanism) and a Hitachi-LG drive of similar specs, for similar sized data sets the BD drive typically has almost the same if not significantly faster random seek times. That’s generally because data sets between 4-8GB span the entire disc for for DVD-ROM while only covering a third of a BD-ROM, so on average a BD-ROM is going to have seek times in the range 50-100ms with a worst case scenario of around 200-230ms. The DVD-ROM drive will average between 110-150ms with a worst case scenario of around 170-230ms.

    Of course once you start getting into larger data sets that that Blu-Ray can handle the average and worst case scenarios (which is an entire disc sweep which takes around 350-400ms) will eclipse the worst case conditions on a DVD-ROM. That being said, even with 23+GB of data with a 100 randomly generate seek sectors I still get around 100ms on average. Besides, if you find the need to randomly jump around to random sectors greater than 4GB in span, then your title has bigger issues than the capabilities of the drive.”

    http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=42157&highlight=speed&page=2

    “2x Blu-ray Drive (72Mbps(9MB/s))
    Single Layer (2http://www.neogaf.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=10460097
    NeoGAF – Reply to Topicx CLV) – Constant Linear Velocity (Same speed across entire disk)
    Double Layer – Couldn’t find any data but no games have been released on a double layer yet.

    Entire Blu-ray Disk is read at 9MB/s.

    12x DVD-Rom Drive SL (9.25MB/S-15.85MB/s(AVG ~8x(10.57MB/s) DL (4.36MB/s-10.57MB/s(AVG ~6x(7.93MB/s)
    SL(DVD-5) 12x Max (5-12x Full CAV) – Constant Angular Velocity (Speed Varies from edge to edge)
    DL(DVD-9) 8x Max (3.3-8x Full CAV) – Constant Angular Velocity (Speed Varies from edge to edge)

    SL DVD is 1.57MB/s > SL Blu-ray
    DL DVD is 1.07MB/s

  • PS3 expert

    SL DVD is 1.57MB/s > SL Blu-ray
    DL DVD is 1.07MB/s

  • PaasHaas

    This is one of “those” again.

    PS3 has seperate 256mb system ran and 256 video ram. The 360 has shared 512mb ram ( ie its just more flexable ).

    Memory management of the two systems work competely different aswell.

  • PS3 expert

    SL DVD is 1.57MB/s > SL Blu-ray
    DL DVD is 1.07MB/s smaller than SL Blu-ray

    Majority of 360 games are on DVD-9.”

    http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=42157

  • scotty777

    well… I see what they mean, but lazy, the xbox360 has 512 SHARED MEMORY! which means that that close to the ps3 because the ps3 is rolling with 256mb for it’s system, and 256mb for it’s gpu. I think the xbox route is better however, both sides should have gone with 512 video and 1 gig system… why?
    well, with all the details that these consoles run at, the graphics cards will run out of juice with just 256mb, you need more ram for high res, and high details +aa, af etc…

    Now, the ps3 ram is kinda shared, but it’s not quite like the xbox360.

    one thing that confuses me is, why didn’t they put it more ram??? it’s not expensive anymore, hell, you can get 1gig ddr2 800 for R300(not the best quality, but it works) so, why didn’t they do that? instead of spending money on those features, and XDmofoR ram etc, why not just make the system have more ram?

    I mean, the more ram you have, the more data can be cache and therefor you can enjoy not having long loading times etc…

    sigh, i really don’t know who tells console makers what things to put in a console, I really don’t

  • Lupus

    Dude do you like have your own blog or something? Cause I think you need it :-P.

  • PS3 expert

    @ scotty77

    > I think the xbox route is better however

    It’s cheaper for sure (which may with keeping costs low), but technically not better. XDR Ram is expensive.

    XDR + GDDR means great advantages from the CPU perspective in terms of latency and big bandwidth advantages. From the GPU perspective there’s potential with regard to extra bandwidth, but this is more a little more difficult to implement into game engines.

  • Banana hammock

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    Here’s why:

    R300 extra per console * 100 million consoles sold over it’s lifespan equals to an extra R30,000,000,000 (R30 BILLION) loss on the console.

    Rather make the devs use the system better and leave them with the cost. If you look at MGS4 you can see what can be done with it already so there should be no excuses.

  • PS3 expert

    Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune is a good example. Many say was/is easily the best looking console game to date.

    No harddrive install at all, no in-game loading times. Far less severe texture pop-in issues compared to 360 exclusive such as Gears of War or Mass Effect.

    Developers will get more efficient with regard to using Blu-Ray disc.

    A more informative article with regard to PS3 installs:
    http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/04/01/the-mystery-behind-playstation-3s-sometimes-mandatory-installations-as-far-as-we-know/

    You will have to understand games developers have been using DVD for about a decade, Blu-Ray disc is a new technology.

  • Tan365

    So these lazygamer endorsed xbot fud stories are clearly a weekly thing. 🙄

    This blog really needs some more 1st hand PS3 feedback or might as well just rename it to lazy360gamer.co.za; what have we had now? PS3 has rubbish AI, PS3 has no games, PS3 has rubbish graphics, PS3 has a rubbish controller, PS3 doesn’t have enough memory, PSN is rubbish , PS3 can’t keep up… & so it goes on

    ‘yawn’ aren’t there better news than year old fud being rehashed on an almost weekly basis?

  • Fox1

    The 360 also has 10Mb of EDRAM that handles all the graphic intensive stuff ➡
    http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8126/Xbox-360-Embedded-DRAM-Spec-Confirmed/

  • PS3 expert

    @ Tan365

    I didn’t realize it’s that bad on here. 😯

    > PS3 has rubbish AI

    The Cell is used to mimic functions of the human brain. The Cell is super for creating super complex AI and having more AI within games for different enemies. The Cell is different from other CPUs though, so it’s best to implement different AI approaches.

    > PS3 has no games

    PS3:

    1) Grand Theft Auto IV
    2) Motorstorm
    3) Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
    4) Resistance: Fall of Man
    5) Assassins Creed
    6) Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
    7) Gran Turismo 5 Prologue
    8) Uncharted: Drakes Fortune
    9) Pro Evolution Soccer 2008
    10) FIFA 08
    11) Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
    12) Need for Speed: ProStreet
    13) Devil May Cry 4
    14) Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
    15) Heavenly Sword
    16) WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2008
    17) Burnout Paradise
    18) Rockband
    19) Army of Two
    20) Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six: Vegas 2
    21) Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds
    22) Dynasty Warriors 6
    23) Singstar
    24) Dynasty Warriors Gundam
    25) Warhawk

    10 exclusives which are very unlikely to ever become available on the 360

    360:

    1) Halo 3
    2) Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
    3) Grand Theft Auto IV
    *4) Gears Of War
    5) Forza Motorsport 2
    6) Assassins Creed
    7) Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
    8) Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
    9) Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
    10) Madden NFL 08
    11) Tom Clancy Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
    12) Guitar Hero II
    13) Tom Clancy Rainbow Six: Vegas
    14) Call of Duty 3
    *15) Call of Duty 2
    *16) Mass Effect
    17) Madden NFL 07
    *18) Bioshock
    19) Saints Row
    20) Fight Night Round 3
    21) Dead Rising
    22) Rock Band
    23) Lost Planet: Extreme Condition
    24) Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six: Vegas 2
    25) Crackdown

    9 of the games are currently not available on the PS3.

    * Notice regarding these 360 “exclusives” Gears of War, Call of Duty 2, Bioshock and Mass Effect are also available for Windows and BioShock is coming to the PS3. Although I counted Call of Duty 2 as a 360 exclusive it’s old with COD3 and COD4 already on the market.

    Conclusion: The PS3 has just as many top games as the 360 has, despite the 360’s one year headstart. IMO 360 fans claiming the PS3 has no games should be left ignored.

  • kabraal

    Heh yeah, I used this as an example a few weeks ago when every gaming blog across the globe had breaking headline news feeds updated hourly about the newly announced Diablo 3. That’s gaming news. It’s what gamer want. Popped over to lazygamer and guess what? The main “breaking” news story of the day was how the 360 controller owns the PS3s’ to hell and back. Sigh

    Oh expect some serious befokkte 360 E3 converge though, with ground breaking earth shattering 360 news. If the RSA PS3 owners are lucky, we might just get some space telling us how the power cord of the 360 just totally obliterates anything Sony could throw at it.

    Ah well, suppose we can’t complain. This is a blog after all and not BBC.com but I’d rather struggle with international bandwidth these days to get descend feeds from an international sites than BS we a fed here. Talk about idiotic fanboyism. This really is incredibly hilarious.

  • PS3 expert

    > PS3 has rubbish graphics

    Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune, Metal Gear Solid 4, Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction, Super Stardust HD, etc.

    Most impressive games currently available.

    Insomniac (Ratchet): “What’s most exciting is the way things are headed right now I think we’ll see just as big a leap from our second generation engine to our third as we did from the first to second.”
    Naughty Dog (Uncharted): “At Naughty Dog, we’re pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2.”
    HouseMarque (SSHD):

    “We probably draw about twice the number of objects compared to the original game. We are pretty close to maxing out the RSX, but in our next game we will still push the chip more. Currently we do not use SPUs to pre-process the geometry for RSX — that will make a major difference. I estimate that we can further boost the graphics performance by 50%.”

    Stay tuned for games like Gran Turismo 5 and Killzone 2.

    > PS3 has a rubbish controller

    Suited for big as well as small hands. Dual sticks next to each other is better for games like SSHD, Ape Escape, etc.

    No battery packs, motion sensing for flying in games like Ratchet and Clank, add to the experience of games like Fl0w, etc.

    > PSN is rubbish

    Lag free dedicated servers for Motorstorm, Resistance, Warhawk, etc and it´s free! PSN store is superior. The PS3 gets many good firmware updates. Not enough space to do much more on the 360 (16 MB firmware flash memory on the 360, 256 MB firmware flash memory on the PS3).

    Home is free and coming soon. That will put the PS3 well ahead in provided functionality as well.

  • darthdad

    Ummm….guys, I think you’re missing the point. This is a parody site, not unlike SDF. 😀

  • SlippyMadFrog

    The Xbox360 has 89 games scoring over 80% while the PS3 has 44 games ranking over 80% via gamerankings. Surely statistics like that can’t be ignored. I agree with you that “the ps3 has no games” argument is no longer valid but it’s still got a long way to go before catching up with the Xbox360 games library.

  • SlippyMadFrog

    Also, I don’t know the criteria for which you created your lists but they are very lacking if you consider the entire libraries

  • SlippyMadFrog

    You also included Buzz for PS3 but exlcuded Scene It! from Xbox360

  • Nduimiso

    so how long have you been working for sony?

  • Banana hammock

    Gee, double the games and it’s been out for twice as long. Funny how that works 😉

  • Sheesh guys, you guys need to take these articles with a pinch of salt sometimes. Lazy posted an article about another article, don’t crucify him for it. Its about time that someone mentioned that when we post articles about xbox 360 problems, the site is quiet and not many people feel the need to comment. We post anything about ps3 problems or someones negative opinion and the place goes completely nuts. I don’t understand it.

    You can’t just keep ignoring the good and then single out all the bad and rant off and call us Xbots, its immature and uncalled for.

    I respect mr.Ps3expert over there for coming in here and trying to make some good points with facts, rather than just crying about the fact that every article doesnt make the ps3 look like the second coming.

    come on people…

  • PS3 expert

    darthdad, just a tech enthusiast following the PS3 closely and the PS3 tech is solid and deserves no misinformation like this. I am actually new to the Playstation brand since the PS3. The 360 RRoDed on me before Microsoft´s warranty extension, lol, sold it back then, no kidding!

  • SlippyMadFrog

    Actualy, it only had a year head start, not “twice as long”.
    No matter what the circumstances are, the xbox 360 still got twice games library and thats the bottom line.

  • Wow you guys really do bent up over articles, its a shame really, if you still need to justify why you bought a 360 or a ps3 maybe you should not have made the purchase in the first place. Cause this is one of the saddest list of comments ive ever read. but thanks anyway.

    Gazza ZA’s last blog post..The E3 Press conferences

  • darthdad

    Good stuff PS3expert! I’m not in any ones camp. Both are great machines. It’s refreshing to have some facts for the PS3, instead of like Nick puts it “the place going completely nuts”.

  • You know what I love about “Mine is bigger than yours” tech arguments?

    So far, in every console generation, the “more powerful” device has never won. Sega Megadrive, 3D0, Atari Jaguar, N64, Xbox 1.

    If I were a Sony fanboy, I’d stop trying to win the argument 😉

    doobiwan’s last blog post..The Games that made the consoles

  • SlippyMadFrog

    Agreed.

    Also, why bash LG? Why don’t the PS3 fans bash the article and point out flaws instead? Thanks to PS3 expert to pointing some things out but I’m talking to the regulars.

  • SlippyMadFrog

    Are you implying that the PS3 Blu-Ray drive reads data faster than the Xbox360 DVD drive?

  • RivaZA

    I could not agree more with this article. Also putting the Cell into a games console was the biggest mistake ever. And then when Sony realized that the Cell was not going to cut it for the graphics they went into panic mode and chucked an off the shelf GPU that can’t even do HDR and AA at the same time.

  • PS3 expert

    doobiwan, it´s not all about sales. Many more people owned a NES in the 80s and there were more PCs on the market. The Atari ST had a larger install base initially than the Amiga initially than the Amiga and some early games ran a bit better.

    But look here,

    Battle Squadron (released 1989, low end A500 from 1987 or Amiga 1000 from 1985)

    Battle Squadron (MegaDrive version from 1990, music sucks though):

    Atari ST vs Amiga (Shadow of the Beast)

    First multi-platform differences between games gamers of the 80s noticed were better audio in more and more Amiga games, here a look at some comparisons between some early games and some later games between the two platforms:

    But it were still the Amiga exclusives which only really pushed the low end Amigas models to their limits:

    Examples:

    Elfmania:

    Disposable Hero:

    Ruff ‘n Tumble:

    Lionheart:

    MSDOS vs Amiga games:

    Notice: The PC games were usually released much later, often many years later and often required PC upgrades. The Amiga shown versions all run on the low spec entry model Amiga 500 home computers. PC games required a harddrive.

    Lemmings Amiga version (February 1991, unlike other version supported two players using two mice):

    Lemmings PC version (July 1991):

    Lemmings NES version (1992):

    Desert Strike (Amiga 500 version, better than Snes and MegaDrive versions)

    Desert Strike (Snes version)

    Lemmings (Snes version)

    Part 2 of MSDOS vs Amiga games, these include some later PC games when new the Amiga 1200 was the lowest spec hardware you could find for getting an Amiga. Note the PC version of James Pond 2: Robocod from 1993 is almost as good as the Amiga 500 version, but the Amiga version was released in 1991. The Amiga version shown in the video is the Amiga 1200 version with no big changes apart from more colors on screen.

    Tech does matter for the long run.

  • darthdad

    Ok…..here come the Xbox cavalry! 😀

  • kabraal

    Why do people still stick to that “LG didn’t write it, he merely posted it” excuse? Seriously a simple look at the PS3 and 360 spec list will confirm to you that both consoles have 512MB ram. I am not taking back my words I’m sorry. If you’re going to keep on posting BS stories I’m in my full right to point that out aren’t I?

  • Vamp

    Wishful thinking, Nick. You should know some of these guys by now. Uwe Boll has a better chance of winning an Oscar than
    we have of seeing a rational fanboy 😆

  • kabraal

    And to add to this, these couple of articles we’ve seen is pretty much 100% the same as me going to the dark pits of the PS3 fanboy den, dig up a BS article about how BD will give the PS3 uber graphics and post it here. I don’t care who wrote it. It’s BS non the less.

  • Well, Sony has won all previous battles they were in…

    Jinja’s last blog post..Mr T Hates Speedwalkers!

  • SlippyMadFrog

    The article is also saying 512mb ram:
    “But the PS3 has 256MB of video RAM you might say to back up the 256MB of system RAM. Doesn’t that compensate? That equals the 512MB, right? Well kinda, but the RAM in question is Video RAM specifically, which can only be distributed towards powering specific aspects of a game. It’s not as flexible or as efficient as having a huge chunk of RAM that can be used wherever, whenever for whatever.”

  • kabraal

    lol

  • SlippyMadFrog

    Are you saying blu-ray won’t give the PS3 uber graphics? 🙂
    (I’m just pulling your leg)

    This story comes from the N4G front page. It’s not hard to find. Why do the PS3 people need to take this personal? Why can’t we just discuss this in a civil manner instead of insulting LG?

  • abe

    But seriously, 90% of the article surrounding the ps3 are fabricated rumours where as 90% of the articles for the xbox are actually factually true!

  • Napalmdeth/Apocalypse ZA

    how old are you guys, i doubt less than 15. But you go on and on about the best damn console all day, just enjoy what you have and shut the F*** up. I have Both console, had a xbox for 3 years and a ps3 for less than a year. Yes LIVE is better and PSN is copying, and yes xbox has more games and i can go on, but what i can say is i made more friend on the Ps3 forum in the shortest time than what i did owning my xbox and we just enjoy the games and chatting on the forum and NOT slagging the other consoles. I found the most mature playsers on PS3 than on Xbox, were just a big bunch of friends having fun and thats whyat its all about FUN. So stop the console hating and just enjoy what you chose.

  • Vamp

    Fair enough, but you’d swear it’s the Apocalypse given how
    some people act 😛
    Whether this article is fanboy drivel or not, it makes one
    very good point – The PS3 has the potential to be the best console to date by MILES, but unfortunately it’s under-
    performing to what it’s capable of. Whatever the reasons for
    it may be. And that’s just my opinion. I don’t choose one
    over the other 😉

  • SlippyMadFrog

    The thing is Abe, you have no basis on claiming that 90% of the articles are rumors. We have not even seen a bit of real evidence that this article is fabricated garbage. It’s oppinion.

  • RivaZA

    Actually it is the other way around.
    Most PS3 fanboys favour the PS3 because of what Sony says it is, whereas Xbox fanboys favour the 360 because of what the actual facts are!

    Tell me it’s not true!

  • kabraal

    Slippy, I doubt LG will feel insulted by my comments. I think his skin is thicker than that. At the end of the day, I find it quite strange that 2 years after the launch of these consoles where we’ve actually seen (seen with our own damn eyes) the results both can produce; we’re still getting fed information like this. Take it as an insult of you want, it’s not. We’ve seen what the guys at insomniac and naughty dog can produce. We’ve seen what’s happening with killzone 2, yet we are still having articles that takes the numbers and spin them in miss information. I suppose 2-3 years ago before the consoles launched you could try to take these articles seriously but if you still take them seriously or believe them by now, you need to get you head read. 😛

  • PaasHaas

    Only a year and the PS3 is almost 2 years old in the US…

    do the math 😆

  • scotty777

    personally, the gpu is the weak point of the ps3, the cpu is fast, the ram is fast, but i fear it’s the gpu that is a bit weak…

  • Really?

    Betamax, ATRAC, Memory Stick, SACD, Mini-disc …

    Which one’s did they win?

    doobiwan’s last blog post..The Games that made the consoles

  • SlippyMadFrog

    It doesn’t matter if LG feels insulted or not. I’m just saying whats happening in this thread is unecessary. I’m not saying this article is right or wrong, it’s just that, imo, the PS3 fans are responding the wrong way to this. If they feel it’s wrong, provide some motivation why and we all can have a healthy debate (if thats possible 🙂 ).
    The developers have done well with the PS3, no doubt. Maybe they found solutions and work-arounds to the problems listed in the article. But saying the article is BS purely because it puts the PS3 in a negative light is a bit harsh. Whoever proves the article wrong and then bash it would have my respect.

  • Just before the PS3 fanboys start foaming at the mouth again, I’d just like to point once again to the SOURCE of the articles.

    gameplayer.com.au is the biggest Troll trap on the planet. They don’t post anything EXCEPT flames. They’re hosting the “Save fallout petition” for goodness sake. Go look at their articles by Chris Stead and you’ll see the biggest anti 360 troll I can name.

    Of any party, 360, Wii, PC, PS3 whatever is simple, delivery, not diatribe wins.

    doobiwan’s last blog post..The Games that made the consoles

  • kabraal

    That’s not true…

  • kabraal

    Sorry I didn’t read the entire link; I only read how it was spun:
    But that isn’t the biggest problem, the biggest problem that is facing the PS3 is the fact that Sony “only stuck in 256Mb of RAM” into “it”… This is why the Xbox 360 will always win the cross platform comparisons, simply because the PS3 is undeniably “crippled” in this department.
    ^^ Bullshit.

  • kabraal

    Thanks, unfortuantely I don’t surf the web 24/7 to know these things.

    This is what was posted in the OP

    Gameplayer.com.au has put up a very interesting, and from what I can see, “factually correct” article on the problems that the PS3 is experiencing and will continue to experience for the life of this console.

    I’m sorry, my sarcasm detector didn’t work there. Call it foaming mouth or whatever you want, I’m in my full right to point out nonsense if I see nonsense.

  • SlippyMadFrog

    You say bullshit but maybe the article has a point? The PS3 is known for coming second off in the multiplat showdowns. Maybe the first party devs got some sort of solution for the problem that the article is talking about?

  • PS3 expert

    @ scotty777

    It’s a very different design. The 360 and PS3 GPUs, the 360 with its 10 MB EDRam, which is good but offers little advantages in higher resolutions, hence Halo 3 is 640p with HDR and no AA. In 720p with AA tiling is needed, it’s not possible to achieve acceptable framerates 720p with 4x AA and HDR like Heavenly Sword.

    The RSX does 136 shader ops per clock, while the Xenos does 96 shader ops per clock. So in the sense of total shader ops the RSX is more powerful. The RSX however been designed to take advantage of the Cell processor (communication). This makes the RSX more efficient, the Cell is very suited to handle quite a few GPU related tasks in addition.

  • kabraal

    sigh

  • PS3 expert

    On average yes, faster than the 360 can read dual layer disc (most games). But a small part of the outer tracks on DVD can be read faster, one disc circulation reads more data.

    Blu-Ray drives read data at sustained rates and is thus predictable for things like streaming. Technically the Blu-Ray drive approach is better. But if your files structure is optimized for DVD, Blu-Ray optimization is a bit extra work. Dumping things on the harddrive is the easy route out of this.

    Advantages:

    – 360 DVDs can only store 6.8GB of game data, Blu-Ray disc currently up to 50 GB.
    – Less drive noise, due to the much higher density on the disc, each disc rotation read more data, meaning such drives have to spin less fast to achieve equivalent reading speeds compared to that of DVD.
    – All Blu-Ray discs are scratch protected, one common complaint often heard about on the 360.
    – Blu-Ray movie compatibility.

    Only real disadvantage is that it’s more expensive for Sony to implement into the PS3 design. It’s simply much more modern technology.

  • Avayaik

    The Wii has more Ram than the 360!!!! 😆

  • RivaZA

    Heavenly sword does not run at acceptable frame rates.
    There are times when is runs ok but most of the time it is very sluggish. I think the game hardly ever averages over 20fps.

  • Sorry bud, but for an expert, that’s just wrong. RSX = NV47 = geforce 7800. Stock PC part. They barely had time to make the FSB fit. Read this, then come back to discuss. http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

    doobiwan’s last blog post..The Games that made the consoles

  • Only if you buy the addition “mutton chops” attachement :p

    doobiwan’s last blog post..The Games that made the consoles

  • LazySAGamer

    Wow… My Internet goes down yesterday and the site explodes in a rage 😛

    Thanks to the few who defeneded the fact that I don’t only post bad PS3 news, some of you guys really need to check out the other articles.

    I have actually posted mainly good PS3 news over the past 2 weeks but I felt this article had a point.

    @Kabraal (and PS3 Expert) if you think it’s complete nonsense then I will ask again “Show me a cross platform title that looks better on the PS3?”

    256+256 may equal 512 but the system can only use 256 for graphics or anything else and that can’t be changed.

  • Lupus

    I am still of the belief the most powerful console has never won the war, it’s always been the one with the best games simple as that.
    Also man I thought Xbots were bad I think we need a new name for the Sonybots cause you guys jump on to something and ride it till it’s dead.

  • RivaZA

    Yeah like PS3 has MGS4 and FF-XII.
    Oh wait Ps3 fanboys can’t use FF-XII any more. It’s coming to 360 as well. LOL!

  • PS3 expert

    They modified the G71 design to take better advantage of the Cell, amongst a couple of other changes.

  • sabagamma

    What I find interesting about the PS3 is that on paper it blows the competition away. However in practice the XBox and the PS3 are roughly equal.

    Surely there is something else that we are missing here? Something a bit more complex than 256 megs of RAM?

    Either way, Sony has learnt that there is a difference between markitecture and architecture.

  • Angel

    i prefer the ps3…and always will i hate the xbox no offense but its not as good as everyone say it is. i have had my ps2 four about 3 years and its still going…i believe the system is only as bad as its owner …

  • Angel

    whoops heh for*

  • Angel

    but, everyone is free to have their own opinion, so i will leave it as such …

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