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Derek Smart thinks Star Citizen is prepping sinister refunds

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Star Citizen prepping a recall of Kickstarter funds?

Star Citizen is like the interstellar version of walking on egg shells. It’s so hard to want the promises of the insanely successful crowd-funded title to come true while also looking at the entire project critically. Scepticism exists around the game’s enormous budget and “go big or go home” development attitude, and the studio isn’t taking naysayers kindly.

Or so, that’s what Derek Smart seems to think. The founder of 3000AD, a pseudo-competitor to the entire Star Citizen brand, was recently refunded his $250 Kickstarter backing to the growing space sim – even though he didn’t ask for it. According to Kickstarter’s terms of use, “You can refund individual pledges if you want. After your project has been funded, you can cancel and refund a backer’s pledge at any time. If you do, you have no further obligation to that specific backer, and no agreement exists between you.” Robert Space Industries saw fit to snuff Smart’s involvement in their project, but there are conflicting reasons as to why.

RSI, on one hand, claims that Smart was abusing his forum rights to self-promote his own games – using a furore of negative feedback on Star Citizen to gain traction and increase his volume of listeners. That’s a direct breach of RSI forum rules, as one Cloud Imperium Games representative made so crystal clear.

“We have strict rules about people using our forums and chat for self-promotion and it was clear that he didn’t care about the project, or the backers, or a good game being made. He was just trying to create a huge fuss to make himself relevant at a lot of other people’s expense and distress. So we enacted our rights through Kickstarter (that we also have on our own TOS) and refunded him and turned his account off.”

Smart has been an extremely vocal critic of the direction Star Citizen has gone, even spurring backers to request an FTC investigation into the matter. Smart also claims that his is just the first in a mass Kickstarter recall – stating that RSI is planning to refund the full $2.1 million that they grabbed from Kickstarter backers. That’s a drop in the ocean compared to the $84 million they’ve managed to source from fans since then, but it would give them strict control over how those refunds are then dealt with.

Or, worse yet, how those refund requests are simply ignored.

Smart also fired back at the reasoning RSI provided him for his own refunded, stating that he had never posted on their forums or violated their strict terms of service. There’s no way yet of checking to see if either Smart or RSI is lying, so we’ll have to chalk it up to a “he said, she said” situation for the time being.

But it is yet another blip on a worrying amount of negative news coming from RSI and Cloud Imperium Games in the past few weeks. If they do choose to lock out Kickstarter money – and inherently, their refund policies – RSI has the power to flat out refuse to return any money back to potentially burned backers. That means development on the multi-million dollar game could continue for years upon years, without anyone able to do a damn thing about it.

With two top executives leaving the project in quick succession, modules not part of the original roadmap (despite what RSI claims) being delayed and a growing sense of scope creep, I’d also feel nervous if I threw an extraordinary amount at Star Citizen. Whether is was initial backing or simply ridiculous amounts of money for in-game items that don’t even exist yet, RSI has the potential to lock your credit in and never let go. And that has to be just a little bit frightening, even to the most die-hard fans out there.

Last Updated: July 15, 2015

45 Comments

  1. Meh, rather gimme XCOM2!

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  2. RinceThis

    July 15, 2015 at 13:42

    If there ever were a hype train game heading for a cliff it’s this one.

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    • Sageville

      July 15, 2015 at 13:44

      I think the FPS module put them up shit creek.

      It would be like the biggest rip-off in gaming history if this “smart” guy is right, alternatively RSI could be just de-trolling.

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      • RinceThis

        July 15, 2015 at 13:46

        I don’t get why they need the FPS? I thought the reason people were interested is because it’s a fucking space simulator, not Halo 😛

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        • Hammersteyn

          July 15, 2015 at 13:48

          Probably because COD is so beloved

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          • RinceThis

            July 15, 2015 at 13:50

            I don’t know man. I have a bad feeling about this. So much money, so little delivered… When is it going to be finished again? Same time Destiny is?

          • Hammersteyn

            July 15, 2015 at 13:50

            Rofl!

          • Sageville

            July 15, 2015 at 14:23

            Watch this space, soon a stretch goal for the plaformer and RTS modules….

          • Skoobaz

            July 15, 2015 at 15:16

            Bundled with HL3

        • Sageville

          July 15, 2015 at 14:22

          I too did the “Wtf” face when I heard they wanted FPS module, for what?

          Release the Space Sim promised then, if you hate life, build a FPS model for it as a dreaded expansion.

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        • Mondarez

          July 15, 2015 at 15:32

          You don’t get why because you appear to be commenting from complete ignorance as to the history / evolution of the SC project. But keep posting like you actually know wtf you are talking about.

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        • Ainar

          July 16, 2015 at 14:21

          A “space sim” doesn’t mean a “ship sim”. Most games in the past only allowed you to play “as the ship” but it was mainly due to technical capabilities and lack of support from publishers. SC was described from day one as a simulation of a space pilot, not a ship, in order to be able to support boarding actions, etc.

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      • Ainar

        July 16, 2015 at 13:51

        If Derek Smart is right about this it would be the first time in history. Seriously, the guy has his own definition in Urban Dictionary and even went as far as to admit himself to being a troll. As for his claims, all can be debunked by the simple act of reading the material about SC that’s out there. The problem is people who don’t bother to do that or who do not understand what they’re reading when they do.

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        • Patsy

          July 17, 2015 at 05:00

          Why do idiots like you think that because he said he trolls that this negates any argument he makes ?

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          • Ainar

            July 17, 2015 at 10:19

            No, Hitler also said a few things worth considering and people who didn’t listen to the boy who cried wolf got eaten in the end. That being said, I think you should reconsider who you’re calling an idiot when you are clearly incapable of reading through and understanding a comment consisting of 4 sentences. Now try reading it again and decide which category from the last sentence you fall into…

          • Patsy

            July 23, 2015 at 18:35

            “even went as far as to admit himself to being a troll” is what you said. This is a fallacious argument, hence why I called you an idiot. Idiot !

          • Ainar

            July 27, 2015 at 16:28

            Wow, your parents must be proud… “Sometimes when I get online, and it’s quiet, and I see something that
            attracts my attention, I’ll post just to piss these guys off. That’s why
            I do it. Because I’m in a good mood that day, I go in there and I start
            trouble.” – his own words, thank you, good night.

  3. Hammersteyn

    July 15, 2015 at 13:48

    I bet we get our beanies before this launches

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    • Ir0nseraph

      July 15, 2015 at 13:52

      XD

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    • RinceThis

      July 15, 2015 at 13:53

      I bet New Horizons returns to earth with a bucketful of Pluto before that day happens 😛

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      • Hammersteyn

        July 15, 2015 at 13:53

        teehee

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      • Skoobaz

        July 15, 2015 at 15:19

        KSP Tonight yeah!

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    • Skoobaz

      July 15, 2015 at 15:19

      I read that as baby not beanies… The missus and I just recently had our first son. So my mind is currently like asparagus soup!

      Now that I think about it, I’ll probably have another child before this game is released.

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      • Hammersteyn

        July 15, 2015 at 15:45

        Congrats buddy!

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        • Skoobaz

          July 15, 2015 at 15:46

          Thank you Sir! ( PS. Where’s my upvote 😉 )

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          • Hammersteyn

            July 15, 2015 at 15:59

            XD

        • Skoobaz

          July 15, 2015 at 15:47

          Oh there it is. I am sorry for questioning your upvoting. I wouldn’t expect anything less

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  4. Alien Emperor Trevor

    July 15, 2015 at 13:57

    Derek Smart? You’re actually listening to Derek Smart? DEREK SMART? Wow. O_O

    And no, I’m not afraid, because I follow the project. And I’m well aware that Kickstarter is essentially a donation to try get a game made, not a preorder, so I can’t get refunded even if I want to – I knew that going in.

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    • RinceThis

      July 15, 2015 at 14:04

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        July 15, 2015 at 14:05

        I can’t lip read Japanese, so I don’t know what you’re trying to say. ;P

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        • RinceThis

          July 15, 2015 at 14:07

          Perfect 😉 The let down won’t be as painful then 😉

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          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            July 15, 2015 at 14:08

            Let down? I’ll just assume you’re agreeing with me.

          • RinceThis

            July 15, 2015 at 14:09

            Shush, you do that. Hope is free, the consequence of losing it rarely are 😛

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            July 15, 2015 at 14:16

            Well the alternative is believing you’re choosing to be wrong again…. oh… I see what you mean now. 😛

      • HairyEwok

        July 16, 2015 at 09:36

        I’m so sad?

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    • Brady miaau

      July 15, 2015 at 14:08

      Is Star Citizen going to meet YOUR expectations?

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      • RinceThis

        July 15, 2015 at 14:09

        HIS?! HAHAHAH! Not a stars chance in hell.

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      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        July 15, 2015 at 14:14

        Dunno, I’ll find out once I get to play it properly. I just want to have a fun time, which I don’t think is a particularly high expectation.

        I will say that getting to wander around my ship in the hanger was fun, and I’ve only flown it once because I want to experience it fresh when I eventually do. I spent 10/15 minutes happily flying around asteroids & getting a feel for my ship when the AC module was first released, and it just felt right.

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      • Patsy

        July 23, 2015 at 18:37

        Alien Emperor doesnt listen to people he thinks he doesnt agree with. Classic case of confirnmation bias.

        He must be an academic under achiever or this is a momentary lapse.

        We need to listen to many sides of the same argument in order to try to draw a sensible understanding of what the issues are.

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  5. Kromas,powered by windows 10.

    July 15, 2015 at 13:58

    Meh. The hanger module was worth my money more than Evolve was. 🙂

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  6. Lothy

    July 15, 2015 at 14:18

    Star Neverzen…

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  7. Ghost In The Rift

    July 15, 2015 at 16:49

    No Rift support then i assume lol

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  8. konfab

    July 15, 2015 at 16:50

    What a smartass :^)

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  9. Gdom

    July 22, 2015 at 15:56

    Another troll website I won’t be returning to.

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    • Spathi

      September 9, 2015 at 23:33

      It’s not the site, it’s just the writer who fails to do any research on SC and is totally ignorant on what is actually happening. The site is actually cool.

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