I’m starting to feel like a relic; a fossil. A large number of gamers these days consume their video game media through the eyes of other people via Let’s Play videos and other bits of YouTube tomfoolery. I grew up reading the likes of EGM, Computer and Video Games Magazine and Nintendo Power, so I’ll always revere the written word. Try as I might though, I’m completely unable to embrace this new media stuff. I just don’t understand the phenomenon of Let’s Plays, and I likely never will.
I just don’t see the point of watching some foppish young lad scream and make noises at a videogame. I understand that with games being so expensive, it’s nice to see what game looks like before buying it – but there are people, countless people, who’ll sit and watch somebody else play through an entire game, from start to finish. I don’t quite get South Park either, but they tackled the Let’s Play thing pretty well.
Tell us: Do you watch Let’s Plays religiously? Why? Help me, somebody who has nearly no hope of understanding why, try to understand why the phenomenon of watching people play games is becoming bigger than actually playing games themselves?
Last Updated: December 5, 2014
Brady miaau
December 5, 2014 at 10:32
Well, whenever I hear that I think of a five year old. It sounds like something for the children.
A random youtuber
February 12, 2016 at 04:47
As a matter if fact I love lets plays and am 17
boondocksaint87
December 5, 2014 at 10:37
I would prefer a let’s play video without the stupid American boy accents. Just show me the game. From experience, trailers are like photoshopped models. I like to see what the game actually looks like, and how it plays, mostly when trying out a new franchise or genres. I love GTA for instance, in those cases, it is just, shut up and take my money.
Alien Emperor Trevor
December 5, 2014 at 10:38
Yes, they’re stupid & pointless. I guess they’re for people with far too much time on their hands. I have an hour, I’d rather play my game than watch someone else play it & listen to inane drivel. I have enough voices in my head already.
The only time the words “let’s play” leave my mouth are when I’m talking to my dog.
CAE9872
December 5, 2014 at 10:44
Only time I use “Let’s play” is with the wife. Wait…WHAT!!!
RinceThis
December 5, 2014 at 10:57
What you said!
Unavengedavo
December 5, 2014 at 10:58
Is there a spoon of peanut butter involved? O_o
Alien Emperor Trevor
December 5, 2014 at 11:02
Only if he’s good, and sometimes if he’s bad.
Mark Treloar
December 5, 2014 at 11:48
Roadtrip?
Wonka
February 12, 2016 at 04:48
Well, i love lets plays, why cant you people just let people enjoy themselves how they want
ReaperOfSquirrels
December 5, 2014 at 10:41
Depends on the Let’s Plays, and who’s doing them. The mad people at RoosterTeeth make it funny (most of the time)… but some games just can’t be Let’s Played no matter who’s playing them.
Ryanza
December 5, 2014 at 10:43
I should do a Let’s play DRM without internet.
Brady miaau
December 5, 2014 at 10:53
Now that sounds interesting.
If a little contradictory. Let’s play DRM, without internet
Hammersteyn
December 5, 2014 at 10:44
Dumbest thing ever, unless I’m looking for more info on a specific game or there’s no demo. But I couldn’t care less. Then again, I’m so out of tune with the world. I hate dubstep, Kims a self promoting bitch and most shows on TV is mindless garbage. Scripted reality TV is meant the low IQ portion of the civilization.
How much you want for this? Gimme $2000. Best I can do is $500. How about $1500. I still have to resell it, $700 final offer. Deal. FFS every single fucking episode.
*Goes back to playing games
CAE9872
December 5, 2014 at 10:47
Nothing wrong with dubstep. Especially when done by a certain Claptrap.
Hammersteyn
December 5, 2014 at 10:55
lol there’s always an exception
Perfect Nazo
May 13, 2015 at 07:34
Most dubstep sounds like shit.
Brady miaau
December 5, 2014 at 10:51
I have tried to watch Lets Play stuff to see if I should buy a game. It puts me off buying.
Spaffy
December 5, 2014 at 11:43
Dubstep, that sound that emanates from my radio when it’s searching for a station?
Hammersteyn
December 5, 2014 at 11:55
hahahaha
Captain JJ the fair
December 5, 2014 at 12:11
Have my likes
Wanker
February 12, 2016 at 04:51
Just let people enjoy themselves how they want
Rags
December 5, 2014 at 10:44
I can get why some watch it. Its like following a blog of someone who shares your interest. I don’t follow any, but I find them useful to help gauge how fun a game is before buying. Some reactions you just can’t fake. Its like watching a reviewer play the game before writing review.
The Arma 3 ones I occasionally watch are very good and entertaining. While the game is not my thing I can appreciate the effort these guys put in and rather have them entertain me. But erm they are not let’s play’s are they? 😛
CAE9872
December 5, 2014 at 10:46
The only time I have actively watched something like this was League of Legends or DOTA (I can’t remember never mind tell the difference) and that’s because I don’t play PC games. It was fun but that was maybe 20 mins and never done again.
So yeah a bit pointless…
But then I am ALSO old…
Brady miaau
December 5, 2014 at 10:54
You know what’s sad? I am starting to feel old.
I am doing something terrible: instead of turning into my parents (which my still happen) I am turning into all the bosses I have ever had.
DECEMBER FREEDOM
CAE9872
December 5, 2014 at 11:01
If you have kids IT WILL HAPPEN! I cringe inward everytime I say something my parents would say. Sigh.
Brady miaau
December 5, 2014 at 11:03
I have already crossed that boundary, little girl is one year now.
So I will turn into both my boss and my parents? Sigh.
HairyEwok
December 5, 2014 at 10:55
Would walk through’s count as the same as Let’s Plays? I like watching walk through’s of games that the person actually talks about the game and give insightful commentary on the game and the development of the game that lead to what he is playing. Dark Souls 2 for instance, theres a walk through play from a guy named EpicNameBro that actually worked with the development team and lore and tells you the developments ideas to why the did what is infront of you.
RinceThis
December 5, 2014 at 10:57
NO.
Unavengedavo
December 5, 2014 at 11:00
I don’t really understand let’s play videos. The same with reviews, I want to experience the game for myself
Nick de Bruyne
December 5, 2014 at 11:02
A review should just let you know if its an experience worth paying for
Dutch Matrix
December 5, 2014 at 11:08
Reviews in a way is the only thing I trust… No wait. Reviews by our own Darryn is honestly and in all seriousness, the only thing on the net trustworthy if I want to gauge how good/bad a game is.
Let’s Plays I have not watched one of them yet, nor do I think I ever will.
Nick de Bruyne
December 5, 2014 at 11:00
I have a buddy in the UK that doesn’t have the time (extra money too I’m sure) to buy and play console games, but there’s still some franchises he likes and wants to know whats happening in the story (like Assassin’s Creed that releases every 5 mins), so he would put Let’s Plays on on his second screen while working all day for background noise as well as to sorta see/hear the progressions of the games he was following.
For me personally, they have started becoming handy when I need to see some real meaty gameplay of something before I possibly buy it, in this new world where you can’t trust a “gameplay” trailer for shit, and traditional trailers show little of the actual gaming experience either. So in that way, I think they are very useful.
As for people who watch it as actual entertainment, because of what the player brings to the experience? Heck, I dunno. Maybe we really are just the older generation that doesn’t understand now. Get off m’ lawn.
[EDIT: Those dudes who just scream and shout into their mics to try and be dramatic for the duration of the video are complete knobjockey’s though]
Hammersteyn
December 5, 2014 at 11:05
It’s the new generation. When we were younger our parents wanted us to play outside instead of Mario the whole day.
Thats_how_I_Troll
December 5, 2014 at 11:21
Lol, times are changing… I don’t get the Lets play videos, but then again, neither do I understand the new generation….
Thats_how_I_Troll
December 5, 2014 at 11:02
I watch South Park religiously…. You are not suppose to get it, it is a switch off… Something you don’t really have to think about, just silly humour that relates to the current trends in the world… Cause believe me, you need to shut down some times
Kromas, Guardian of Cenarius
December 5, 2014 at 11:12
I am Lorde
ya ya ya
I am Lorde
🙂
Thats_how_I_Troll
December 5, 2014 at 11:17
Did you watch the new episode? Lorde makes another appearance yayayay
Randy is hands down my favourite character…
Kromas, Guardian of Cenarius
December 5, 2014 at 11:19
Yeah I am up to date. The latest ep is what this article is about.
As a certain hologram quotes. “That’s Ignorant”
😛
Thats_how_I_Troll
December 5, 2014 at 11:59
Well Played Kromas…
Ryanza
December 5, 2014 at 11:21
Randy is the best. I think the creators were surprised that Randy become so well liked.
http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Randy-Marsh-Ready-To-Fight-At-The-Baseball-Game-Gif-On-South-Park.gif
Mossel
December 5, 2014 at 11:35
Randy marsh!
We need to treat the internet with the RESPECT!…that I deserves.
Raptor Rants A Lot
December 5, 2014 at 11:04
I never watch “Let’s PLay” videos.
I do not have 15minutes to watch a video of someone play a game nor do I enjoy the way it spoils the game for me when I do play it.
When watching a video like that, when you get to the parts of the game you’ve already watched, it becomes a bore. You literally are going to sit there going “Oh I know how to do this, I know what happens, I’ve seen this”
Why would you spoil a game for yourself like that?
Yes, I’ve watched one or 2 Let’s play videos before. Like Zoe’s Knock Knock (I think that’s what it was called?) video. But that was just to see her reactions as it’s a game I most likely will never play. That being said, if I do, the experience will be dulled because I’ve already seen it in action. Not through a trailer or short 2 minute gameplay video but actual lengthy gameplay. THe game experiance will be somewhat less exciting because of this.
Written reviews, in my opinion, are a far better medium for reading and deciding whether you want to play a game or not. It doesn’t spoil the game (usually. Unless the writer is a troll and gives away plot points) and you haven’t already seen how the game plays. You’ve only read about it. That leaves the mystery and excitement of playing a game first time round open for a person still.
It’s also why I never watch those “15 minutes of” or whatever length they make them. Because it’s going to wreck my experience of the game.
Just my 2c worth
Hammersteyn
December 5, 2014 at 11:05
TL;DR
Raptor Rants A Lot
December 5, 2014 at 11:05
lol
Raptor Rants A Lot
December 5, 2014 at 11:06
PS: That being said: Let’s Play videos could be a great resource for parents before buying a video game for their child
Hammersteyn
December 5, 2014 at 11:08
Agreed
Dutch Matrix
December 5, 2014 at 11:12
No. Parents will only look at the cover and go; “Ooooh! Space Marines! Must be good for my child!”
Then break the internet the next day when they see little Timmy getting his Blue Alien Lesbian Love on…
Kromas, Guardian of Cenarius
December 5, 2014 at 11:14
Children should be allowed to play Mass Effect while still in the womb!
Raptor Rants A Lot
December 5, 2014 at 11:16
Yeah I know that. I’m just saying it could be if it was perhaps made more known to the general public.
So all these video drives of “Video games are bad for kids” why not teach parents how to identify the bad games? Positive and pro-active thinking could help change the stigma around gaming and not just gaming but a whole bunch of other things.
Spaffy
December 5, 2014 at 11:38
There are Blue Alien Lesbians in space marines?
*looks in trashcan: now where did I throw my copy….
CaptainNemo42
December 5, 2014 at 11:10
I like those videos where they show guys screwing around in a game and it’s been cut into a 5 minute video. Like that the Machinima channel does. Any of those vids thats from start screen to credits are just horrible.
Kromas, Guardian of Cenarius
December 5, 2014 at 11:11
Go watch random DayZ bullshittery. really funny vids.
CaptainNemo42
December 5, 2014 at 11:16
Haven’t played Day Z yet, so I don’t see the point. I only tend to watch vids of stuff I’ve played or are busy with. That said, any video that says Random Bullshittery in it gets me interested.
Kromas, Guardian of Cenarius
December 5, 2014 at 11:16
They got other vids as well and DayZ is a simulator so you don’t get spoilers at least. They also have a few other vids though.
CaptainNemo42
December 5, 2014 at 11:19
It’s not really about the spoilers for me. Its just that you find it more interesting and funnier when can relate. But I will go check it out. My YouTube channel list looks like a DsTV bouquet already, another channel is not gonna hurt.
Kromas, Guardian of Cenarius
December 5, 2014 at 11:21
Yeah … ever search youtube for a quick video on how to change a sparkplug and end up 5 hours later learning how to speak to animals? 😛
CaptainNemo42
December 5, 2014 at 11:22
YouTube is the Devil!
CaptainNemo42
December 5, 2014 at 11:22
That along with uncapped internet.
Rags
December 5, 2014 at 11:16
DayZ streams are cool 🙂
Kromas, Guardian of Cenarius
December 5, 2014 at 11:10
Standard pewdy pie lets plays are horrible. I am however subbed to one let play that I quite enjoy and that is FrankieOnPc1080p. His DayZ vids are fun to watch and lets plays on something like DayZ does not remove the enjoyment out of playing it yourself as the game is based on experience and that changes every time you log in.
Ektso Gedinkja
December 5, 2014 at 11:10
I enjoy the occasional lets play. But more the type where people do different stuff within a game. Like Roosterteeth and their Minecraft series where every week its a different objective. Other than that, I watch the ones of games I know I wont buy but would like to see what the game is about. Rather than watching some stupid reality show on TV, I would watch gaming videos.
ReaperOfSquirrels
December 5, 2014 at 11:13
Similar question… What’s the point of watching streams of games (on Twitch for example) when you could be playing that game yourself?
I watch some let’s plays, not many, and it’s every now and then… Streams on the other hand, I don’t watch em.
Kromas, Guardian of Cenarius
December 5, 2014 at 11:15
Depends. I used to watch a hell of a lot of DayZ streams before the SA got released as it was the best source of what you were going to experience since the product was not out yet. Same for patch streams.
Deceased
December 5, 2014 at 11:30
Ghwell… Twitch streams of DotA 2 for example do have their great moments… it’s a good place to learn new things that you’d otherwise take years to figure out yourself…
On a side note… I don’t watch Twitch streams about DotA 2 – the above mentioned information is what people keep telling me XD
Quo Vadis?
December 5, 2014 at 11:15
I’ll watch a walkthrough when I get stuck. Other than that, the occasional snicker at Pewds screaming like a girl is sometimes too good to pass up on.
Sageville
December 5, 2014 at 11:17
I’m with Geoff on this one.
I just don’t get it.
I also add “Unboxing videos” to my list of “Why? internet Why??”
Raptor Rants A Lot
December 5, 2014 at 11:19
1 / 10.
Did not show working out
#trollol
#schooldays
Kromas, Guardian of Cenarius
December 5, 2014 at 11:23
WoW boss tactic vids are always welcome.
Mossel
December 5, 2014 at 11:34
I watched pewdiepie for the first time last week. What a pile of kak. I thought it will be just a review with some humour, but the guy talks nonsense half the time.
Spaffy
December 5, 2014 at 11:35
There is something seriously wrong with that guy
Quo Vadis?
December 5, 2014 at 11:37
Its because he’s Swedish I think. And he earns almost 4 million US$ per annum, so he should have access to some high end drugs hahahaha
Spaffy
December 5, 2014 at 11:39
$4m? Holy crap o_0
Quo Vadis?
December 5, 2014 at 11:41
Yup. 41 Million ZAR just to play games and post videos on the interwebs. I want to cry when I think I wasted all those years getting a degree and work my butt off to make a living, and this guy breezes through life making mega bucks by playing video games. Asshat.
Spaffy
December 5, 2014 at 11:45
Ditto. All that time I wasted studying and all I should have done is stream gameplay. Sucks
Brian Murphy
December 5, 2014 at 11:41
There are plenty of things I find stupid in gaming (and the world at large). Doesn’t mean other people don’t like them. Their existence doesn’t bother me.
Viking Of Divinity
December 5, 2014 at 11:42
Everything else is Irrrelevant today, There’s a New Blind Guardian Song!: http://youtu.be/AdxRHtNw940
Captain JJ the fair
December 5, 2014 at 11:47
I think my office purposefully plans my meetings on Fridays at 11 so I miss the FFD
Willem Swanepoel
December 5, 2014 at 11:54
Let’s play vids are very good to see what is the game about and how it looks like. Lets play videos actually convinced me to go and buy the game after I have seen 30minutes of the actual gameplay.
Reviewers cannot convince me anymore to buy games anymore. Maybe LG or AngryJoe but others are just so corrupt, so the next best thing is “Lets play videos”
I watched a Dragon Age lets play .. only the first one and that convinced me to go and buy it 😉
So they are not really pointless …
Captain JJ the fair
December 5, 2014 at 11:54
Personally I’ve never bothered with a “let’s play”
That being said I do believe that there is a place for it. Like @NickdeBruyne:disqus proven.
Doesn’t matter what it is or how odd it might seem to me, there will always be people out there who will find it handy or interesting.
Tiaan Pat
December 5, 2014 at 12:43
The only time i would watch a Let’s play is when a new Dota 2 hero comes out and i just don’t understand his abilities. I did how ever watch the new Civ game to see if i would like it! But then changed my mind after confirming my thoughts!
Tbone187
December 5, 2014 at 13:19
It could be a case of knowing you’re definitely never gonna buy or get a chance to play a game so you prefer to watch it as a cinematic experience instead.
ForXx
December 5, 2014 at 13:32
My personal view. I am too much of a wuss to play horror games, so the only way of experiencing these are by watching someone else play. So for horror games I like lets play vids, but for the rest nah…
Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)
December 5, 2014 at 15:55
Yes! Let’s Plays are stupid.
I don’t get why you’d watch some idiot play a game (for a few hours) while you could be spending your time playing a game. It baffles my mind. If you’re into the passive side of things, why not just go watch Isidingo on SABC 3 or worse the news on ANN7 or FOX?
This generation’s young folk are shockingly idiotic – even more so than white supremacists, old white guys in suits, hipsters, SJW scum, undersexed white knight fools and pseudo-intellectual third-wave feminists.
Did I miss anyone?
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DudeExcellent
December 7, 2014 at 18:26
I used to feel the same way. Now that I have my gaming systems in boxes and no TV, I choose to watch ‘lets play’ vids of games i want to check out, because 9 times out of ten my enjoyment of the game is merely a novelty anyway (casual gamer for decades who no longer has the desire to waste money on shitty games).
Summary: ‘Lets play’ videos let me judge a game in a user-biased, entertaining setting rather than taking EGM’s or Squaresofts word for it.
As for people who sit around and watch ‘lets plays’ of games they intended on purchasing or already own, I dont get it.
TimmyP
December 8, 2014 at 05:43
I watched something called a let’s play in 2008 to help me get through a Nintendo game. Thus, it can be used as a strategy guide. So therefore, author is a moron…makes sense!
CSSA
December 10, 2014 at 00:24
i hate how these bastards spoil games by putting screenshots of the final levels of the game when they are almost completing the game. It’ll be something like “Last of Us Part 17 and ENDING!!” then it shows a major event that happens from the game. I come across this whenever i’m browsing videos.
Bill
December 20, 2014 at 17:33
Sounds like a bunch of crusty old dudes who can’t think and put themselves in others’ shoes. You don’t like let’s plays? That’s perfectly fine. People have different tastes. People tend to forget that video games are works of art. Nothing wrong with watching a work of art being played by someone else. Even more so if the commentary is entertaining. I do however agree with the excessive screaming. That I can’t really stand.
Why do people watch other people play sports on TV when they could be outside playing them themselves. See how idiotic you sound?
I both play games and like watching others play games. Blasphemy!
David
January 5, 2015 at 03:58
if you just want to enjoy the main story, like in last of us
Thomas
February 21, 2015 at 06:47
I generally spend more time viewing play-throughs or speed-runs on YouTube than playing games. It’s not that I don’t have the time to play games—because I do; it’s merely that I don’t have the energy or stoicism to play games these days. It seems ironic that the only way I can enjoy a game is if I’m not the one playing it, but I feel that games have become too gruelling of late. Getting 100% in a game used to be doable, but people demanded more for their money—more DLC, more gameplay, more endings. To me, it’s just noise, but it’s almost always mandatory if you’re going to 100% a game. So I just let someone else bear that burden. I have to say, though; it is funny seeing people who play games being pompous toward those who just view gameplay videos on YouTube. It’s all consumption at the end of the day.
Wolfinspire
April 12, 2015 at 23:01
Watch game grumps. They do, let’s plays awesome and are not irritating like some.
Potato
April 18, 2015 at 22:46
Honestly, I kind of think of it as like how some sports fans watch their games. In that case, you would also judge them of why are they watching people kick around a ball when they can do it as well. Personally I haven’t watched any let’s plays for a long while since I am bored of them atm, but I can understand why some people love let’s plays like how sports fans love watching the game.
Brosiah
April 19, 2015 at 07:11
Work
Broseidon
April 19, 2015 at 07:28
Here’s how you gotta see it to understand why people like it. It’s similar to improvised standup comedy. Most people watch these videos for entertainment mostly and not really for gaming awareness from what I can tell. A good example is Markiplier. He had a massive surge in popularity due to the 5 nights at Freddie’s series bc it was the comedic Jumpscares reactions to a horror game that made people laugh and therefore entertain. The problem I see with this practice are the massive amounts of other people who partake in this practice and don’t have a single entertaining bone in their body which essentially turns the lets play into a pointless vid of some random dude playing a videogame which is what the practice is seen as by many people. Or an attractive female will sit there playing a videogame when she obviously knows nothing about videogames (this doesn’t apply to all females only the deserving among them) yet still be able to siphon views bc fuck it she’s hot. I can understand why people like it, but in the end yeah it does feel a little overblown. Overtime some of these “lets players” can tend to lose there comedic flare over time that attracted their viewers in the first place. Some even have the nerve to open a patreon account to basically get funding to play videogames on a camera…. -_-‘. Yeah sounds pretty stupid in that point of view. There are some thought that rise above the pretenders and actually do see the positive in what they provide in there own way and see it as a driving force to keep going. Think of it what you will. Hope this helps
Perfect Nazo
May 13, 2015 at 07:38
“Let’s Play” videos are very pointless. The only reasons people make those videos are to make money and/or because they want to show the world what complete imbeciles they can make of themselves while playing video games.
SocietyIsScrewed
May 24, 2015 at 09:51
Let’s plays the majority of the time, are just some high functioning autists and their online friends being loud and obnoxious while saying the most cringiest shit that they actually think is funny, over a period of 1 or 2 hours.
It’s fucking baffling how these annoying adolescent social retards can make tons of money without any sort of talent whatsoever. They don’t even need a sense of humor. It’s honestly just geared towards young teens and preadolescent kids, and of course the neckbeards and sperglords who actually would have the time as young adults to watch 2 hour videos on youtube of absolutely nothing but cringey fuckery, and still have to time for their terrible fandoms such as My Little Pony, Naruto or some other weeaboo bullshit.
I’m just mad because I literally just watched a let’s play which had millions of views with dislikes only in the hundreds, where these grown fucking men just said things like “poooooop, poop in my butt hahahaha” for like 5 fucking minutes.
Is this real life? I fucking hope not. Because if it is, humanity as a whole has already begun to deteriorate. It’s only a matter of time before we live in a world where the humor of a retarded 6 year old could generate you millions of dollars and fame in the process. Oh wait, we’re already there.
Adam
June 16, 2015 at 17:19
I usually watch them sped up 2.5x to 4x speed and watch much more than I game (I used to hate watching others play). I like them since it makes me feel like I am playing with someone else and it’s a lot smoother. You don’t need to install/reinstall, buy, download, setup, have a perfect computer or anything. You just pick an interesting lets play with entertaining commentary and good quality and you’re set. There are sometimes also the youtube comments that can further add to the lets play and you can always stop the video and google something that popped up that was interesting. It depends on my mood though and if I am going to be playing with friends or not. Some games are more fun to play yourself than others.
TrueGamer
July 11, 2015 at 16:32
I agree. They would be more useful if they just showed key elements of the game mechanics because that’s all I’m really interested in looking at. I use game play videos as a means to determine if I want to buy a game. Showing all the relevant parts in order to make that an informed decision is all I’m after.
katherine guevara
December 12, 2015 at 03:55
Lets plays are good-
Well you see, in my opinion the lets play communities are filled with a lot of different people. It’s true that some lets plays are boring, but I think it’s more of the lets player that we should worry about. I mean, yes the game is an extreme factor but the person is the entire point of a lets play. You don’t watch a let’s play for the game (At least most fans of lets plays don’t) but rather you think of what the person says. You listen to their thoughts and opinions of the game, while they add some enjoyable things for us the views to think about. Thank you for reading 🙂
A Random Youtuber
February 12, 2016 at 04:46
Same reason anyone watches sports. Its the same thing, dont say its not because if you watch either youre still watching SOMEONE ELSE have fun. I personally don’t like sports, but i love lets plays. You dont see me yellin “Sports is stupid and pointless, right?”