Destiny is pretty neat. You’d have been able to read my impressions of the game’s brief alpha yesterday if I’d had any power and every single one of my portable devices wasn’t flatter than Checkers’ in-house brand value cola. It’s pretty damned good looking too, even if it does only run at 30fps. Here’s why.
Apparently, it has something to do with parity. Speaking to Gamesbeat, Jason Sussman, a senior environment artist at Bungie said the reason had to do with making sure the game was consistent across all platforms.
A lot has to do with performance. We’re cross-platform, so we had to be very delicate with all four consoles, making sure they have the same experience, that it looks as good as it possibly can on all these consoles. A lot goes into that, from geometry to textures to post effects to particles to how many players you get on the screen. We’re always balancing that out to make sure everyone gets the same experience.
Yes, the reason Destiny isn’t 60fps on the PS4 (and possibly even the Xbox One…maybe) is so that the game is consistent with the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions of the shared-world shooter – which is exactly the reason you bought a new gen console right? So its new games could be just like the ones on the old systems. The game would probably run at 60fps on the one system it’s not confirmed to be hitting; PC. It’s odd, because after spending over a dozen hours in the alpha, I think it’s the once platform the game would be most at home on.
The new gen versions though, are filled with more particle effects than you can shake a stick at.
Last Updated: June 18, 2014
oVg FX
June 18, 2014 at 15:05
After playing Watch Dogs for two weeks and then jumping into Tomb Raider HD.
YA, 1080P 60fps does make a difference. I was wondering why everything was still in focus when panning the camera around… ITS CALLED NEXT GEN GRAPHICS.
Sorry Watch Dogs, you are not a next gen title. The steam and explosions look nice tho.
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:07
Tomb Raider is truly stunning to behold.
Admiral Chief Cyber Commando
June 18, 2014 at 15:08
The game and graphics aren’t bad either 😛
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:09
hehe not bad at all.
Admiral Chief Cyber Commando
June 18, 2014 at 15:10
Out of all the Lara’s, this one takes the cake! Heck, she takes the whole bakery, the braai, the butchery, the hardware store, the block, the city, the province, the COUNTRY!!!
oVg FX
June 18, 2014 at 15:12
Total eye candy.
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:15
so dirty
oVg FX
June 18, 2014 at 15:19
Very. She should have had the infamous TOMB RAIDER shower scene at the end of the game if you achieved 100%
Just to get a little closure 😛
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:22
hahahaha
Alien Emperor Trevor
June 18, 2014 at 15:25
GOT WOOD?
oVg FX
June 18, 2014 at 15:25
about 20 splinters in her left thigh 😛
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:07
So that’s why no PC. Our masters has abandoned 30fps years ago.
Admiral Chief Cyber Commando
June 18, 2014 at 15:08
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Alien Emperor Trevor
June 18, 2014 at 15:12
It’s like the 2c piece of gaming :/
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:13
XD
Kromas
June 18, 2014 at 15:22
Let me make a brief comparison. The PC master race can be compared to the Xel’Naga. A race of super beings that essentially every other sentient race owes their sentience to. PS4 could be seen as Zerg as they are cheap (in comparison) and readily available and Xbox could be seen as Protoss (Clunky and expensive). Now while they fight it out the Xel’Naga are biding their time to conquer all. Only the hybrid Queen of blades (SteamOS) can save them all.
Now all I need is Micheal Bay to do the movie.
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:25
Guess that makes the WIIU Terran? Not as advanced or numerous in numbers but still able to put up a fight?
Kromas
June 18, 2014 at 15:25
Was thinking terran could be linux but suppose the Nintendo fits better.
Kensei Seraph
June 18, 2014 at 15:26
Was thinking the same thing.
oVg FX
June 18, 2014 at 15:27
with TressFX 😛
Kromas
June 18, 2014 at 15:27
With 3D and support animation by Robot Chicken.
oVg FX
June 18, 2014 at 15:29
But… can it run Crysis?
Kromas
June 18, 2014 at 15:30
You just spoiled the movies end!!
Call *spoilers next time. 😛
Rorison Meadows
June 18, 2014 at 16:00
They figured their target audience wasn’t the 30 year old uber nerds living in mom’s basement.
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 16:10
Hehe
Brian Lewis
July 19, 2014 at 02:45
We live in our parents basement, yet can afford to build pc’s that cost over 2 grand.
Admiral Chief Cyber Commando
June 18, 2014 at 15:07
[QUESTION] Why is this article linked under xbox-360?
http://www.lazygamer.net/xbox-360/why-destiny-runs-at-30fps/
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:09
Geoff once said that it’s WordPress that does this. You can replace the url with PS4 and it will still redirect to this page. like so
http://www.lazygamer.net/PS4/why-destiny-runs-at-30fps/
Admiral Chief Cyber Commando
June 18, 2014 at 15:09
Methinks he be lying to ye matey, BAD CODE GEOFF BAD CODE!
😛
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:15
Well WordPress…..*Runs*
Kensei Seraph
June 18, 2014 at 15:18
*Watches as @hammersteyn:disqus gets pulled into the back of a black van by men in black suits*
It was nice knowing you Hammersteyn.
You will be missed.
If we ever find a body part I’ll be sure to attend the funeral.
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:20
If I’m lucky they’ll kill me quick. But I’m sure they have some plans for me. *Imagines Darryn getting the Joker face paint and suit ready.
Kensei Seraph
June 18, 2014 at 15:24
If worst comes to worst simply swallow your tongue.
You’ll choke to death, but it’s probably more pleasant than what Darryn will do to you.
HvR - THE Average GAmer
June 18, 2014 at 15:26
Then Darryn will give him the slimy milky chilli kiss of life.
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:27
Sies bliksem!
HvR - THE Average GAmer
June 18, 2014 at 15:29
Sorry nou te ver gegaan, self so bietjie gekots toe ek my eie comment lees.
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:36
Hahaha ek het nou weer die video gekyk, arme Darryn
oVg FX
June 18, 2014 at 15:10
because its not 60fps 😛
Admiral Chief Cyber Commando
June 18, 2014 at 15:10
XD
Kensei Seraph
June 18, 2014 at 15:11
“… making sure they have the same experience, that it looks as good as it possibly can on all these consoles.”
This is a contradiction.
You can’t have the same experience on platforms with different specs and still have it look as amazing as those specs allow.
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:13
But you can have more particles apparently
Kensei Seraph
June 18, 2014 at 15:14
Then they don’t have the same experience.
oVg FX
June 18, 2014 at 15:15
I suppose so. Infamous Second Son also needed to run at 30fps because of all the particle effects. Its an art dicision at the end of the day. It should not be a PORT decision.
Monado
June 18, 2014 at 15:14
Shame, these guys always have to explain why the game isn’t 60 fps don’t they.
Monado
June 18, 2014 at 15:16
*60
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:17
Who cares, really? I think the most who do are self entitled gamers who wants to tell you how a game should be designed but have never written a piece of code in their sad little lives.
Monado
June 18, 2014 at 15:20
Can’t we all just enjoy the game for what it is
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:22
I do, except when I get bugged to play MP in an SP game or buy silly DLC.
Monado
June 18, 2014 at 15:26
then stop playing EA and Capcom games 😛
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:27
Already have.
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:28
No sorry, last Capcom game was Strider
Monado
June 18, 2014 at 15:29
Strider was fun though
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:35
Yeah not bad for the asking price. Capcom should really focus on their older licenses, look how well Ducktales did as well.
Kensei Seraph
June 18, 2014 at 15:23
Ultimately if they needed to sacrifice some fps to get the game running and still manage to make it look good and if the game plays amazing then people shouldn’t complain.
What I don’t like is how they imply that they could have made it look even better but didn’t because it wouldn’t look as good on another platform.
Honestly the thing that upsets me most is that they don’t want my money and won’t release it on PC.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lte7l1xQ241r0ojhto1_500.gif
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:26
Agreed
Monado
June 18, 2014 at 15:27
My favorite pokemon. THE CUTEST Pokemon of them all
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:28
I like Psyduck, not sure why
Admiral Chief Cyber Commando
June 18, 2014 at 15:31
Mine are DEAD Pokemon
Alien Emperor Trevor
June 18, 2014 at 15:50
I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a dead one… called Necrotwonk or something.
Robert Hart
June 18, 2014 at 15:28
Its like owning a car that is speed limited to 30km/h. Is the driver self entitled if this limit seems like madness to him?
I think that there is something sinister going on within the industry. There is no real good reason to make a game worse on purpose, unless the reason is unrelated to the game and is something external instead.
The only real thing I can think of is that when getting the license for one of the consoles, the developers were forced to ensure the game remain the same on all platforms.
It seems that more and more often these terrible excuses for mediocrity seem to be stemming from the console game developers. You dont often see a PC game developer incorporating these artificial limitations to their games.
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 15:29
Agreed, now I’m still left wondering why Ubi limited the WatchDogs graphics on PC
oVg FX
June 18, 2014 at 15:32
So they can release the definitive edition later pending on the sales of the cross platform version. Its Ubisoft, MILKY MILKY time.
oVg FX
June 18, 2014 at 15:30
Its like buying a super car but you have to follow the speed limits.
Kromas
June 18, 2014 at 15:31
If I put a cape on my car … can I call it a super car?
oVg FX
June 18, 2014 at 15:34
That would be a spoiler 😛
Praise Lord GabeN
June 18, 2014 at 15:50
You still think 30fps is a design choice?
Hammersteyn
June 18, 2014 at 16:01
Well if they truly wanted people on the PS3 and the 360 to have the same experience then yes.
Praise Lord GabeN
June 18, 2014 at 16:55
You mean they wanted the XBone and PS4 to have the same shitty experience as on X360 and PS3? You must be glad you jumped on the next gen train then.
Hammersteyn
June 19, 2014 at 07:39
Ecstatic. Because I didn’t jump to next gen for Destiny.
Alien Emperor Trevor
June 18, 2014 at 15:18
…
Alien Emperor Trevor
June 18, 2014 at 15:24
Who goes full retard & expects to have the same performance with a new game on old console hardware?
Viking Of Science
June 18, 2014 at 15:46
Lot’s of People are unhappy with how “ugly” Watch_Dogs is on their 9 year old 360…
Viking Of Science
June 18, 2014 at 15:48
edit, for more effect: “9 F-ING YEAR OLD PIECE OF TECH!”
Jonah Cash
June 18, 2014 at 15:46
That made me laugh!! There will be many of them me thinks!!
Kensei Seraph
June 18, 2014 at 15:27
And now home time.
*Grins evilly*
Viking Of Science
June 18, 2014 at 15:45
You know, I Posted this on another site, and have decided that It’s a PC gaming Manifesto of Sorts.
.
“We Choose PC, not because it’s easy, but because It’s more rewarding. Console gamers are stoked because most games are pushing out 1080p, and some games are running 60 FPS. On PC that was achievable during the 6th Generation of Consoles. We Invest in machines to give us the best possible experience, Not Because we have to, but because We Need to. PC gaming should be the benchmark for Technology, not a piece of Consumer electronics that can be outperformed by a PC in the same price bracket. It’s a disgrace.
Developers: Console Owners consume your products, We, The PC Gamers, put them to the test. We Crank your games up to 11, why not just let us…”
Oh, and we don’t need Destiny, while Planetside 2 is a thing
Rorison Meadows
June 18, 2014 at 16:03
Most of you tards can’t tell the difference in the visuals but use them as ammunition in an argument of idiocracy, as you forget the companies aren’t your friends.
Markets in technology will always go in the direction of convenience. As long as a more convenient console exists, it will attract more users.
b1nd3r
June 18, 2014 at 16:44
and you console tards are the bane of true gamers, go play with your locked systems and limited games thats fine. Its simple “consoles are for average people that think they are gamers (your fucking average retarded joe), Pcs are for hardcore gamers that dont like the norm of only being able to play a game without being able to tweak anything. We spend alot more on pc`s than those little media boxes in your living rooms. to gaming companies its simple, you dont want to bring your games to the pc(that support xbox and ps controllers(most medium spec pcs out perform both “Next Gen” consoles) then dont. But dont start putting the pc in the same league as these shitty consoles and trying to limit games. The console next gens were outdated the day they were annouced.
Rorison Meadows
June 18, 2014 at 17:10
PC gamers are usually the ones bringing it up. No one cares. Go back down into mom’s basement.
b1nd3r
June 18, 2014 at 18:10
go play with your dual controller didlos >.<
Rorison Meadows
June 18, 2014 at 18:23
yeah u mad
b1nd3r
June 18, 2014 at 18:35
says the guy with mommy issues, you`ve had the same response to people for months. You might want to get that controller out your ass and get some counseling or you still stuck in your moms basement 😛
Rorison Meadows
June 18, 2014 at 18:48
You type like you still live at home and smoke poles.
b1nd3r
June 18, 2014 at 18:50
yeah u mad (^^,)
Rorison Meadows
June 18, 2014 at 19:08
Sounds like I’m more correct than mad. Don’t cry. Daddy will eventually come to terms with your sexuality.
b1nd3r
June 18, 2014 at 19:44
Ah now we getting somewhere. Mommy issues, daddy wouldn’t give it to you in the bum. Whats next c- average? This is good we making some progress and you dont even have to see a counsellor. (^^,)
Rorison Meadows
June 18, 2014 at 20:06
Don’t cry.
Johan du Preez
June 19, 2014 at 00:23
Yeh the entire industry is a sham, they must photoshop all the high res textures and supersampling on in the reviews. Oh yeh I cant see a difference if I run a game with supersampling on or running BF4 at 4k. It looks just like the ps4 or Xbone.
Oh yeh I cant see a difference when I run 144fps on a 144hz screen compared to 30fps. It must be a shame why did they even create 144hz screens its useless all the professionals must be delusional. They should just cap all tv’s and monitors at 30fps why in the world do you need 60fps. They must have been high in the 90’s where your average game ran at 120fps if you had a decent system.
The entire industry is a sham all the textures and effects looks the same as on the consoles. Where were you all this time, how misguided the industry have been ….
Comments like that make PC gamers feel like the master race, guess why its because you sound like a delusional idiot that has no clue what his talking about.
Rorison Meadows
June 19, 2014 at 15:16
You obviously know nothing about technology. No one said anything about refresh rate, which is completely different than detectable resolution vs. screen size. I also love how PC users love to tout their awesome graphics, as they play a game on a screen size smaller than the TV size that most console gamers play on. And wait a few more years and watch what happens to the PC market. I’ve spent enough time discussing with HP and Dell reps to know where it’s headed. I don’t harp on PC gamers. I just don’t give a flying f*ck when they jump into console discussions where they don’t belong. You wouldn’t post here if you weren’t afraid of your breed dying out. Now go back into mommy’s basement with your water cooled system and play on it until you can actually get laid and grow up.
b1nd3r
June 18, 2014 at 16:20
Ok so the worst part is i was planning on buying the ps4 just to play this game at 60fps or as close to as damn possible. Now i honestly cudnt be bothered on this game unless it hits the pc, 30fps is what new games run on your tech is old and out of date(Yes im speaking for the master race here) the funny thing about this whole next gen war that i believe its taking gaming backwards and it is pathetic. Im talking completely about the ps and xbox(doesnt matter what version) , Yes we have the game companies and the tech to push out some really amazing graphics, But on a pre-render`d scale! ive been gaming since i had a green screen and two white blocks and a smaller white block bouncing around the screen (tennis v0.0012 early access >.<). And since then not once has the graphics mattered to make a great game. Over the years that`s changed clearly, But when the optimal fps rate of games was at 60fps for many years to make a game enjoyable based on response and fluid playabilitly, When now all of a sudden you want to half that standard so it looks pretty while you die in the game :/ these consoles are a shit idea plain and simple. The rushed "next gen" is killing the fun of gaming just for pretty visuals, and the most sad thing is that this has been happening for so many years. :/ lets not even get started on this standardizing pc to console crap of watch dogs 😛
Labey-Kun
June 18, 2014 at 17:06
Unfortunately gamers these days are never happy about anything thrown into their faces, 1. it’s either resolution isn’t high enough, 2. Frames are too low, 3. Game is unplayable, 4. they want games now and can’t wait for tomorrow hence we get problems of 2 and 3, finally 5 gamers think it’s easy to make games. my question is why don’t you take a course on learning how to make games and make you’re own game that will run at 60-120fps, 1080p or 1440p with 8xMSAA.
Rorison Meadows
June 18, 2014 at 17:10
I’d like to boil all of their disdain down into one variable: they do not realize they suck at most games.
MichaelMatusowsky
June 18, 2014 at 18:53
The fact they’re devving this game for old gen is ridiculous.
Gerard Matthews
June 18, 2014 at 21:57
Are we sure, “new jen” is going to stick there Geof? I always felt like we needed a new way of referring to PS4 and XB1…
Sovereign
June 20, 2014 at 00:16
Unless we’re sharing a server, I see no point in doing this outside of rushing or laziness.
John Richardson
June 22, 2014 at 10:07
I don’t want 30 fps, why? Because very soon nearly all games will be 60fps and it was bad enough going to Destiny from Wolfenstein let alone every other game that will be 60fps. It’s a personnal thing though, some people are less sensitive than others. It took me quite a while to settle into 30fps of destiny on my PS4. Trouble is, play a 60 fps game and go back and you have to start again getting used to it!
I would much rather see 60fps 1080p and effects reduced to support this. Games are way more responsive and fluid at this rate.
Even the devs now playing The Last of Us at 60fps and with cut scenes at 60fps are saying they can’t go back.
The artistic ploy is just a smokescreen they use when they take the easy road and set the game at 30fps.
And what’s this silly “Community” hub at the Tower in Destiny – what a wank. Just line it all up on a screen and let me upgrade my shit and get on with it. Waste of time running from vendor to vendor. Imagine after the umpteenth time doing this chore.
Seen the video of fools dancing on the ledge in a group. Is the Tower really needed – a boring hangover from somewhere…..
ITCHYisVegeta
June 22, 2014 at 10:11
And this is a prime example why I am glad 343i is in charge of the new Halo games now.
Bungie has had a history of baking amazing cake, but then shitting in the icing and telling us it’s chocolate.
Zachary Myers
July 8, 2014 at 15:23
I’m tired of 30fps on the current consoles. So much potential can be offered by the PS4 and Xbox One, yet they’re squandered because people refuse to upgrade from PS3/Xbox 360. I’m not a PC elitist, but this is why I play most games on PC now.
TheSwamp
September 9, 2014 at 04:49
I’m not buying it because of this. 30 FPS on a 70 inch TV gives me a headache. ;(
OpticalOut
September 11, 2014 at 03:51
People didn’t buy “Next Gen” consoles to get the same experience as Last Gen, fools. Just admit you couldn’t get it to 60fps.