Believe it or not, some online streamers have massive followings and extremely dedicated fans who look to them for not only entertainment, but a whole lot more. This is exactly what Hi-Rez streamer and shoutcaster Brandon “DM Brandon” Nance found out the other evening when a follower donated money with the following message:
Tl;Dr I tried killing myself last August, discovered your videos once I was released, and SMITE has become a positive outlet for me. Thanks.
The donation function on streaming often allows viewers to communicate with their favourite entertainer. Sometimes conversations spark, which lead to more donations including replies. This time however Nance went on a rant, berating the donator about how selfish suicide is, saying the following which has some NSFW language:
There are a lot of streamers out there that would appreciate that message. I’m just going to call you an asshole. It’s a selfish, stupid thing to do. If you don’t like my opinion about that, you can find someone else to watch who’s gonna tell you killing yourself is okay. Go fuck yourself, kid.
That was only the beginning as the rant continued for roughly three minutes before he continued with his stream, still disgruntled by the donation. Viewers in chat were taken aback, and eventually outraged as they responded to his rant. The full video can be seen below, but I must warn you… it’s quite rough.
And then the internet exploded. A number of posts popped up on Reddit where users stated their clear disgust at the Hi-Rez employee’s reaction to the donation. I took some time to read through the comments and it became clear that “DM Brandon” is well known for being quite a hot-head, often losing his temper and has been subsequently banned from SMITE’s Sub-Reddit in the past. The pitch forks were out, and the idea I got from the community outcry was that this was the last straw.
Hi-Rez then did what any company under fire would – they fired Nance, ending his career as a professional broadcaster under the SMITE banner. Nance’s response, in a Tweet longer post, detailed his idea of suicide and how it’s not the answer.
If you sit back, and somewhat read between the lines you can almost, for at least one split second, understand what he is trying to say. I’m not saying you have to agree with him, because honestly he’s horribly incorrect, but as he said in his apology his opinions are his own and should not have reflected Hi-Rez and brought them into this mess.
As for yesterday: I couldn’t believe what I said. Because I didn’t mean it and I certainly did not mean for it to come out as it did. I couldn’t understand how I fucked that up so badly. The stress levels of trying to juggle this lifestyle while keeping up appearances at events, and everything on top got to the point where I was actually fucking up what I meant to say. But please don’t point your hate at others for my mistake.
Unfortunately, “DM Brandon,” you did represent Hi-Rez, and naturally the thousands of people you upset were going to go straight to the top with this.
Suicide is always a tough topic to discuss. When discussing it with people who may not share the same views as you, it’s naturally best to keep your opinions to yourself, especially when discussing it with people who struggle with depression or mental illness. It’s very easy to say “suicide is not the answer,” but that’s unfortunately not the case when it comes to the severity of the matter.
If you’ve ever found yourself in any situation where the thought of self-harm cross your mind, remember there people that love you, and people who are willing to help. There are wonderful people at the South African Suicide & Anxiety Group who are always open to chat. You’re the reason we keep doing what we do, each and every one of you.
Last Updated: April 21, 2016
Admiral Chief in New York
April 21, 2016 at 14:03
This article is too good to post my regular reply to your articles.
Nice one Kyle
Admiral Chief in New York
April 21, 2016 at 14:08
Yeah, couldn’t hold it in anymore….[mssc]
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:28
lol
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 14:19
I agree with you man, bloody well done Kyle!
CongoKyle
April 22, 2016 at 10:31
[mssr]
xD
Raptor Rants
April 21, 2016 at 14:08
Suicide is a horrible thing and yes, suicide is not and should never be the answer.
But this kid came out and said thanks for being something positive to drive him to not follow that route.
What does he think will happen now? Something so positive to this person has now become sour and upsetting. Where did he think that would end? Very disappointing reaction to something he should have been a happy story
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 14:08
I agree with him 100%.
I was about to rant. But not worth my time. Before anyone says anything, I’ve been on the other end of that. And I agree with him 100%.
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 14:17
So have I…. Two friends tried, one succeeded the other didn’t…. I guess the one’s a bigger asshole than the other then
Raptor Rants
April 21, 2016 at 14:20
I’ve been down that road. I nearly wasn’t around to see myself get married and have a kid and all that amazing stuff that’s happened in my life.
But you can’t turn around and say someone’s an asshole. That person came forward and said “Hey, I did this, I failed but you know what, your casting has given me a positive outlet so that I don’t try that shit again”
Instead of doing the right thing and saying “Hey kid, suicide is never the answer but I am glad you have a positive outlet. Continue to use this as a way to keep ahead of the bad and expand on it and live life. You are welcome and I am happy to have been a positive force in your life” he went and called the person an asshole?
So now he has taken the one positive outlet this person is holding on to and soured it? You, having been there, should understand what pulling a support column like that from someone on the brink can do to that person.
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 14:25
No he didn’t sour it. The SJWs soured it. Think about it – he feels fucking strongly about it. I do too, I feel that same way. And feeling that strongly about something, how on earth do you expect someone to be able to NOT react, in a live environment, in the way that makes the most sense as a human being with emotions? This isn’t a business email, this is a live stream. But instead of talking it out like you’d do to a dude sitting around a table with you, the internet explodes.
He’s getting punished because he cares so fucking much that he gets angry. I understand this guy. I understand completely. So no, it’s not him. It’s people’s reactions to him, and their lack of perspective.
BakedBagel
April 21, 2016 at 14:26
^Fucking this.
Raptor Rants
April 21, 2016 at 14:27
He called the person an asshole for saying “Thank you for being a positive outlet” That’s what this is about.
The least he could have said was “Thank you and I am glad, but let me tell you suicide is stupid”
Not call the person an asshole. Sorry but it’s not only insensitive but dangerous. He could push that person right back to another attempt,.
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 14:29
Again, reaction. If you felt that strongly, and had a similar personality (like I do, for example), then there’s no way you can’t react and call him an asshole. Literally no way, it’s not possible. You talk about it afterwards, you think about it, you explain, like adults. That’s normal. But in that moment, there was no other way he could have handled it.
And as much as the SJWs want everyone to be polite, civil, and speak like a Vulcan-run business, humans aren’t like that.
Raptor Rants
April 21, 2016 at 14:34
No. To instantly react in the most negative is not adult or ok in any way. Especially not when you are a public figure.
I also feel as strongly. Having been there and nearly seeing the end I know that it’s the most selfish and dumbest thing a person can do. I know that all too well. It is stupid and I have told people as much before. But not off the bat because I also know that an insensitive reaction off the bat could potentially destroy the last bastion of hope the person confiding has.
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:36
But, internet, impunity, I are allowed to say what I want!
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 14:37
There’s still a line and you, me and Chief can ban those that cross it for the safety of others
BakedBagel
April 21, 2016 at 14:38
—————–
^this line?
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:40
Warning 1!
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:41
Agreed. This ‘freedom of speech’ lark is old and only used by those who want to speak like CoD players.
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 14:42
Everything needs moderation, except booze and pizza
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 14:36
You really need to get some perspective. Again, not everyone is a happy-go-lucky emotionless idiot like the SJWs want them to be.
Nothing is as insensitive as suicide. Nothing. Calling him an asshole doesn’t even come close.
Raptor Rants
April 21, 2016 at 14:46
So someone telling you that they’ve found a way to help themselves is a reason to call them an asshole because they went through it once?
So I’m an asshole simply because I nearly committed suicide once? Even though I’ve come to grow as a person and become a loving father and someone who tries to see the good in life and who willingly goes to the doctor for some top up meds when I feel I need it to to make sure I never EVER get to that point again? Good to know.
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 14:49
Seems to me like the message is it’s alright to do it as long as you have no one that cares about you in your life, no friends or family
Captain JJ vs ..............
April 21, 2016 at 14:50
Shut up asshole.
(am I doing this right?) 😉
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 14:52
XD
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 15:03
At that point, you were 100% an asshole. So was I. No doubt, no question. And yet again you miss my point, regardless of whether or not he was right to say so, if it was me I’d have said the same damn thing in that situation. Because emotions are emotions. And they don’t follow the polite, logical path.
Raptor Rants
April 21, 2016 at 15:28
But the guy wasn’t saying he was going to commit suicide. He said he’s found a positive outlet to NOT commit suicide. A positive outlet which bit back and said he was an asshole.
Look I can see we aren’t going to agree here so let’s agree to disagree and just move on.
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 14:56
Unless calling him an asshole drives him back to that point, especially if he was seen as a role model for this person, what would the perspective on that look like?
I’m not trying to take you out or anything, I had the same viewpoint you had, for years, literally years, my perspective was changed when I stumbled across what was a soon to be lifeless body, the last thing that goes through your mind in a situation like that is whether it’s a selfish mess.
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 15:04
Suicide? No sympathy for the dead. Sympathy for those left behind? Fuck yes. So yeah, the first thing that goes through my mind = “selfish cunt”.
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 15:06
Not ‘he/she was probably suffering from a disease like depression?’ Wow man.
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 15:08
Man, again. I understand. First hand experience. Been living with shit since I was 4, stuff you wouldn’t begin to understand.
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 15:09
Don’t assume to know what I wouldn’t understand:) I just don’t agree with a world view that applies the logic of a healthy mind to that of one that isn’t. That is an extremely limited perspective. Edit. It’s like blaming someone who dies of cancer even while going through treatment to a person suffering a debilitating mental illness who may also be going through therapy. That is why it’s called a disease, you can’t will the fucking thing away.
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 15:14
Healthy mind. Lol. If only that were true man.
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 15:10
I can’t give an unbiased opinion about it, it’s something that you don’t walk away from unscathed, even if it offends you, even if you see that person as selfish, but then you should ask yourself the question, what did you do to help the situation? Did you contribute positively to avoid the person harming themselves? Did you make a point of it to stop them? Is it not selfish to not understand what they might be going through?
Again just a point of view…
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 15:14
Perhaps after the initial reaction, 100% yes. Talk, try to understand. But as the person who had that said to them – is it then not also your responsibility to talk to the guy who called you out? Talking is key, but that didn’t happen. 1 reaction, internet explodes. Where was the talking? Now, instead of that discussion taking place between them, as would happen in real life, he has to scramble and lie and run around to save his career. Talking works 2 ways, and unless you’re willing to talk to the accused, don’t expect them to talk to you. Vice Versa.
In person, people would talk. Reaction, thought, speech. That’s the typical process. Streamer here was denied 66% of that, because of explosion on the internet.
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 15:41
This is true, but what you are neglecting is that the two primary parties of this conversation (suicidal donor and vocal streamer) didn’t stick to the full process you mentioned, in fact, using the methodology, only 33% of that process was followed (the reaction from the streamer) reaction. Yes, reaction, some would call it survival reflex, some call it something completely different…anyway, my point being that the way he reacted was of primal nature, like you would swatting a fly, given his reaction(in calling the guy an asshole) was uncalled for, people can’t blame him for experiencing shock and reacting on it, it’s just the way that he reacted upset people. Can you blame them for it, if someone was to call you an asshole, you’d probably react the same way…
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 15:45
Sure, I’d 100% react the same. Sort of. I wouldn’t go to his boss and end his career over it. I’d walk away, swear a lot, calm down, come back. And call him out, but like this, talk to him. 2-way discussion.
What the internet did was wrong. He did not deserve to lose his job over this, and people have no right to interfere with the process that rightfully is between the two of them. Most of the vocal people probably don’t understand either person’s perspective. But hey, you know. Stuff and stuff.
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 15:54
That is true, what also has to be considered is that he said this while doing a public stream, let’s for a second imagine he had this conversation with him in person, I’m sure it’d have gone much smoother. Anyway, the weather in Pretoria is making me want to find a skid pad and see whether my car can still do 360s, and I’m going to play the k*k out of the Division tonight, your plans?
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 15:58
A public stream isn’t quite what you might imagine. It’s just you, at home, it’s raw, it’s much like talking to your friends around a table, but your friends aren’t actually there, they’re just text on a screen, chatting while watching you do stuff. Personally, I find it’s easier to let stuff slip in that setting than around a table of friends, and especially in a business environment.
Anyways, me? No frikkin clue man. No clue. I’m still trying to find that thing that I’m craving playing, but I can’t seem to find it. I have plenty great games to get to, but fucking hell. You think I could make a damn decision? NOPE.
GooseZA
April 21, 2016 at 16:36
The decision is easy. Dark Souls 3 🙂
BakedBagel
April 21, 2016 at 14:30
I read that I almost committed suicide on the internet, It must be true.
Outrage culture is a kek
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 14:29
He cares? Where was the caring? When he called him an ashole or selfish?
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 14:29
Caring for the people who’d get left behind.
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 14:34
Brandon only assumes this.
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 15:07
Huh? So you’re saying it’s only an assumption that there will be people left behind? Seriously? So everyone is 100% alone and nobody gives a fuck except maybe some people if they’re lucky. Maybe.
It’s not an assumption, it’s fact. There are people left behind who care, and who will be heartbroken as a result.
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 15:25
I’m just saying Brandon doesn’t know what the person’s circumstances are. He might very well be alone.
RandomAnons
April 22, 2016 at 21:43
So it’s all about you? Not the person that lived with depression,Bipolar what ever. It’s about the pain they caused you? That’s the problem you don’t take the time to think about what they were going through. You don’t think about how they woke up every fucking day fighting as hard as they could to keep going. To make those around them happy. They didn’t keep living for themselves. Life at that point was so painful for that person they could barely lift their head from the pillow every morning. It’s not like that person gave up at the very first bump in the road. They fought as long as they could and they got to the point where they knew the ones around them would be better off with out them. These people didn’t give up they just couldn’t bare another day of pure sadness.
Look I understand someone who has lost a loved one to suicide has every right to be angry. I would be. I wouldn’t see them as selfish tho. Considering how many days that person smiled for me to make me feel better even tho they were dying inside.
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:30
Agreed. Fuck all caring from an ignorant person.
Alien Emperor Trevor
April 21, 2016 at 14:30
But at least I’m trying? 🙁
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:30
I wish you were 0_O
Alien Emperor Trevor
April 21, 2016 at 14:31
Hah, yes. Fuck you!
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:31
Asshole!
RandomAnons
April 22, 2016 at 22:48
This guy got fired by his own actions the same way Alison Rapp got herself fired.
It’s a shame everyone picks sides now. Forums that used to host both sides debating are now just huge circlejerks. People are no longer individuals they are only shills for whatever political group they associate themselves with.
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 14:10
Brandon could have said, thanks for the donation, glad I could help and that would have been the end of it. Incidentally his Youtube channel is filled solo play videos, I guess we can expect more.
Alien Emperor Trevor
April 21, 2016 at 14:11
Saying you didn’t mean it in the same breath as you didn’t mean it to come out like that tells me… you did mean it. Douche nozzle.
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 14:12
His entire career rests on that lie being told. If he doesn’t tell it, his career as a caster anywhere is over. Right now it’s just in very hot water.
Alien Emperor Trevor
April 21, 2016 at 14:17
That just irritates me even more. If all you can muster is an insincere apology, rather just shut the fuck up & don’t say anything. Then I get even more irritated by the people who’ll accept it. It’s the circle of irritation, as sung by Elton John.
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 14:19
Part of the reason I wanted to rant is this. The anger, the fallout, and the apology. All fake and forced, and a sign of the times. People have opinions, people feel strongly about some of them. And that’s ok. Fuck you for making him apologise for it (not YOU, but people). Fuck you for expecting that from him.
I hate people.
Admiral Chief in New York
April 21, 2016 at 14:20
I love people…….when they are not around me
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 14:21
People on the internet are the culprits. Real life people I find to be much more tolerable, space bubble issues aside. XD
Admiral Chief in New York
April 21, 2016 at 14:25
I found that people who are NOT on social media to be very lovely characters
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 14:26
You hate me, don’t you?
Alien Emperor Trevor
April 21, 2016 at 14:27
It depends hey. Sometimes people are just in the wrong when they mouth off. If my comment history is anything to go by I’m definitely not in the everyone is a special snowflake and nobody must be offended camp, same time I despise the anyone can say anything free of any consequence camp ever more.
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:28
Damn.
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 14:30
There are quite a few things people take for granted, internet, gasoline in the tank of a car, driving to work, a clean bill of health… Depression in it’s most basic form is the absence or imbalance of chemicals related to the regulating of normal neural function. Gross incompetence with regards to how other people perceive life, living with said imbalances or otherwise having been impaired in some manner, is a major contributor to a reaction like this. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has never known anyone with a manic/bipolar dysfunction.
There are only a few things that you could do for someone with depression, one of them is to always be there for support.
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 14:31
Or quite the opposite, maybe someone close to him DID kill themselves.
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:32
Then a little more tact might have been a good start?
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 14:32
Read my comments below.
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:35
This is the internet, I don’t need a solid understanding of anything, I can do and say what I want with absolute impunity and freedom!
BakedBagel
April 21, 2016 at 14:35
Hitler did nothing wr….
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 14:36
wright?
BakedBagel
April 21, 2016 at 14:36
Yes. Correct. 100%
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:36
Correct! Wait! 0_0
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 14:38
Btw, I’m Jewish. 4th gen. Polish.
Not even kidding.
Also not offended.
It’s not that hard internet. Seriously.
BakedBagel
April 21, 2016 at 14:41
POLANDBALL <3
HvR
April 21, 2016 at 14:40
wrrhalf-way?
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 14:32
This^!
BakedBagel
April 21, 2016 at 14:33
That^!
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 14:33
These^!
BakedBagel
April 21, 2016 at 14:33
Those^! ?
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 14:34
MORE OF THEM^!?
BakedBagel
April 21, 2016 at 14:34
LMFAO! Well Played
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 15:04
Hehehe, I’d like to thank my sponsors, it’s kakpraatdaily, they’ve been there from the start…
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 15:05
XD
Admiral Chief in New York
April 21, 2016 at 14:32
Maybe the emotions were too raw to be contained?
Alien Emperor Trevor
April 21, 2016 at 14:35
What, like some kind of empathy? It’s far easier to act like an 80’s action hero who got shot.
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:37
http://45.media.tumblr.com/760ddbeb0b30993186d43fd5bf1962c7/tumblr_n2yqimgOSH1qhub34o2_400.gif
Captain JJ vs ..............
April 21, 2016 at 14:37
So instead of saying…”Stay strong kid” somehow he just got his words mixed up and said “Go fuck yourself, kid” instead.
Suppose it could happen to anyone. Totally believable.
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 14:39
*Insert mandatory facepalm gif*
Exactly!
Alien Emperor Trevor
April 21, 2016 at 14:42
It’s like when people get pissed & say all kinds shit, then try to backtrack. No, what you said when pissed is what you really think, the alcohol just took away your inhibitions that prevent you from saying it when sober.
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 14:42
Brandon must’ve been drunk as all hell….
Captain JJ vs ..............
April 21, 2016 at 14:42
I meant to ask you. What’s Rince like when he’s sober? 😛
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 14:42
XD
Alien Emperor Trevor
April 21, 2016 at 14:43
I have no idea.
Captain JJ vs ..............
April 21, 2016 at 14:43
😀
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 14:44
He must be the one of the most honest persons on Earth
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:44
Cheap, coming from cheap ol you! *hick (up)
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 14:45
I’m second after you.
Alien Emperor Trevor
April 21, 2016 at 14:53
Yeah, the only problem is you can’t understand what he’s saying half the time.
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:57
fdshfsufnds11!
Captain JJ vs ..............
April 21, 2016 at 14:58
Wow, actually not since September, but nice of you to notice.
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 14:58
AHAHAHAHAHA!!! Well played!
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 15:02
Stop! Also, reply to my gmail request. Or are you going to be busy again!?
Captain JJ vs ..............
April 21, 2016 at 15:07
I have had very legitimate excuses and I felt really bad for not being able to see you guys at Rage (got to see Avo and his lady though).
I saw the email pop in earlier, but I didn’t want to reply immediately because Trevor taught me that it seems desperate. 😛
Alien Emperor Trevor
April 21, 2016 at 15:11
I like how he asks you, but not me. SO HURT RIGHT NOW.
Captain JJ vs ..............
April 21, 2016 at 15:15
I just assume you’re always together. 😛
Alien Emperor Trevor
April 21, 2016 at 15:19
You know what they say about assumptions!
Captain JJ vs ..............
April 21, 2016 at 15:22
That they’re statistically inaccurate but not completely useless and can often be backed with facts, though not necessarily factually proven?
Alien Emperor Trevor
April 21, 2016 at 15:29
That’s my gut feel.
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 14:58
BLURGHFADELSWITCHMAGNIFYINGGLASSINAFIDDLESTICK!!!
Captain JJ vs ..............
April 21, 2016 at 14:57
*most of
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 15:04
He speaks from the bottom of his heart….. literally
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 15:05
As long as he doesn’t go too far down…
Alien Emperor Trevor
April 21, 2016 at 15:30
Red Heart?
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 15:31
HAHAHAHA
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:44
I have no idea too!
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 14:43
There is an Afrikaans saying, I’m sure you know it, uit die mond van die suigeling…
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:43
Say it isn’t so 🙁 So when you said those things, you meant them?!
Alien Emperor Trevor
April 21, 2016 at 14:44
Um… if I was drunk in the forest and don’t remember what the trees heard, did I really say anything?
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 14:44
Time to leaf this comment section
BakedBagel
April 21, 2016 at 14:45
You guys are barking up the wrong tree
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 14:53
We’re the root of everything that’s wrong here
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:44
You saw the sounds of silence!
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 14:46
I bet it hertz the eyes
Captain JJ vs ..............
April 21, 2016 at 14:44
With you I think it’s more about when you keep quiet.
That’s when you know.
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:46
Ohhhhhhh
Alien Emperor Trevor
April 21, 2016 at 14:48
…
Captain JJ vs ..............
April 21, 2016 at 14:49
Now I’m not sure if I’m supposed to refresh or if you’re trying to tell me something.
Alien Emperor Trevor
April 21, 2016 at 14:49
Both!
Captain JJ vs ..............
April 21, 2016 at 14:50
Well I’m not refreshing. Because as Admiral proved, Ignorance is Bliss!
(he’s not here, right?)
Ottokie
April 21, 2016 at 14:52
Let me check.
“There on their way”…
Nope, looks clear
Captain JJ vs ..............
April 21, 2016 at 14:58
Hahaha
BakedBagel
April 21, 2016 at 14:43
Maybe he’s trying to say that masturbation helps?
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:39
So sick of how people run to the defense of morons like this. Do they have a degree in psychology to tackle these issues? Nope, but they sure as shit think that saying crass and insensitive things to strangers is okay. You think this cockstrap would say that to someones face in real life? Not a sausage.
Hammersteyn_hates_Raid0
April 21, 2016 at 14:39
“cockstrap” XD
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:39
I thought it fitting 😉
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 14:40
I’d have used Dildowand, but that works…
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 14:40
Well that’s why the strap, duh.
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:41
lol
Alien Emperor Trevor
April 21, 2016 at 14:42
Words are like Banana Jim, not real!
Captain JJ vs ..............
April 21, 2016 at 14:43
^ This
RinceThis
April 21, 2016 at 14:45
SAUSAGE!
HvR
April 21, 2016 at 14:43
Ai tog at least he finished off by saying the commentator shouldn’t give credit to video content bu to the strength in himself.
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 14:46
That’s the thing though, everything preceding that was, in essence, an insult to anyone that was listening…
HvR
April 21, 2016 at 14:48
Probably the point where his head to mouth filter kicked in and realized what he saying is coming out wrong or he is going to get shitstorm unleashed on him.
If he did things other way around would gone down a lot better.
Greylingad[CNFRMD]
April 21, 2016 at 14:50
Exactly, had he started with, geez dude, good on you for not going through with it, things would’ve looked a little differently, I’m sure… Not that i agree with him, just saying…
Allykhat
April 21, 2016 at 15:37
Yes he handled it very wrong, but between the lines he isn’t wrong.
As for the person who put the quote up, very brave and glad it worked out, but really? It’s a cry for attention in my book to be honest to put something like that up on a stream. If the streamer didnt rip him a new one, someone in the community would have called him out eventually for being an attention whore. Brandon just beat everyone else to the punch with his own views.
What did they say in January? 2016, the years of sensitivity.
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 15:47
Glad I’m not the only one.
Also, I think everyone handled it wrong.
GooseZA
April 21, 2016 at 15:50
Suicide being selfish / not selfish aside, it makes me really sad that the go to reaction for a message like that is to call the guy an attention whore. Is he not allowed to say thanks to someone who helped get him through a hard time? Would it be any different if he’d survived cancer?
It’s even sadder that you seem to think this is inevitable and 100% ok.
“Hi person I admire. I’ve been through a really rough time in my life lately and I just want to say thanks. Your videos etc really gave me something to look forward to in life and I’m now doing much better”
“Go fuck yourself”
Pariah
April 21, 2016 at 15:59
There are messages, you can send those. Donation message? “I sent you a message in your inbox, it would mean the world to me if you read it.” Done.
GooseZA
April 21, 2016 at 16:33
Sure, hindsight is 20/20. There are other ways to do it. Doesn’t automatically mean the guy is an attention whore and deserves to be told to go fuck himself, either by the host or by people in the comments. What if it’s a kid? What if he’s like 14 or 15? We know nothing about this person other than the fact that he wanted to publicly thank the guy and donate.
Somewhere along the line people decided it was ok to just be complete and utter pricks to others. This is especially prevalent online. They immediately assume the other person is immediately wrong or has a self serving agenda. God forbid they get any kind of attention or support for what they’ve shared, even for something as personal as suicide. Without even pausing to think they just unleash abuse, call him an attention whore etc etc.
To use a popular expression here on LG, those people can get in the sea.
I don’t know your personal situation but from reading your comments you’ve obviously been affected by suicide in some way. I read your arguments about those left behind and I agree, it sucks to be them and to an extent I agree that suicide is a selfish act. As hard as that is though, you’ve got to try and remember that whoever it was that thought about it or ended up doing it, they did it because for whatever reason (depression or whatever) they felt that they’d rather die than carry on living. That’s no way to live and is tremendously sad.
To come out of being in a position like that is something that should be supported, not derided, no matter how difficult it is / was for those around them.
Allykhat
April 22, 2016 at 08:12
Ok.
I have a girlfriend with anxiety, depression and a long list of psychological issues, multiple family members who are dodgy upstairs and have tried to kill themselves, personally, I have ADHD and my own plethora of family life issues growing up. I tried myself as a kid but couldn’t actually do it. I have friends who have tried and failed, as well as friends that succeeded.
I’ve seen first hand what it’s like. I’ve seen first hand the damage it deals to those left behind. It takes a lot for someone to get there, and even more for them to come back. BUT. Coming out about avoiding suicide to a GAMING community is about as clever to do as coming out as gay/bi/lesbian is to the same. There are times, places and people to announce stuff like that to and a gaming community is the last place to do it, you tube being second.
I’ve found Reddit to be an amazing avenue to express stuff like this. Even a PM to the person. There is a crap load of support out there. So before I get witch hunted because of my view on this, see that I’m not bashing the person, merely expressing my opinion that it was a stupid place to put something like that. We all know the gaming community in general is a sick, toxic place.
cookiemonster
April 21, 2016 at 16:30
Thank you Kyle.
Not everybody understands
Adminstraitor 2055
April 21, 2016 at 22:39
That was the most aggressive and douche bag like way to deal with that situation.
Adminstraitor 2055
April 21, 2016 at 22:40
This guy isn’t necessarily the worst person in the world, he doesn’t want people to kill themselves. However, he is an idiot for how he worded his opinion, and is clearly ignorant. Clearly ignorant of the fact that depression is very different from being sad. How the fuck can you call a guy an asshole after he gives you money, and thanks you? He could have easily said what Markiplier said: “While I am not degrading what I do for those going through tough times, you should still get help and not just rely on me.” Fuck this guy.
Canemanjones
April 22, 2016 at 11:45
Some of the problem with this isn’t DM Brandon its Hi-Rez in the first place for hiring this moron essentially giving him a larger platform to speak on. This guy is and has been one of the most toxic people in the community for years before he was on payroll but yet they put him on salary for what reason exactly? Just because he has streamed the game for as long as its been out and he found his way to manipulate himself on a couple top teams while being by far the worst player on each one in beta? Because he streams every day and BM’s randoms while he tunnel visions like a gold ranked player? Because you guys see that he is a talented caster? I mean, he is a decent hype man but as for content creation and commentary on exactly whats going on he does pull tons of poo-poo out of his butt and “Pro” players make fun of it on the side but since the general public doesn’t know any better (including most of HI-Rez) its ok. Granted Hi-Rez is going down the tubes with the disaster that is Season 3 of Smite and the eSports Shining Example of Paladins—No matter how much eSport money you throw at a turd its still a turd. I honestly don’t see Hi-Rez lasting another 3-4 years and I am glad they kicked this idiot off of the gravy train before it crashed and burned
Adam Parker
April 27, 2016 at 23:33
Glad this scumbag got fired. Always hated his fucking ego and know-it-all, over opinionated little pussy attitude. If anyone has ever deserved to lose a career, it’s this piece of shit.
Larus_Infinite
August 9, 2016 at 16:06
This article is so perfectly accurate that I just don’t think I have any reply. Good stuff, thank you.
Michael Matusowsky
January 21, 2017 at 03:01
Touching story congobro.