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Intel folds under GamerGate pressure, but that’s a good thing

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The hashtag that strikes fear into any rationally minded person may actually have finally done something which can be considered good. Even though I’m not sure I agree.

Yes, the infamous #GamerGate saga really gained momentum when Intel pulled advertising from Gamasutra after they published an inflammatory article from vocal feminist Leigh Alexander.

Basically, Leigh decided to post an article that dismissed gamers, which understandably wasn’t taken kindly by gamers. This resulted in Intel pulling their advertising, a stand that was applauded by the vocal Gamergaters and was slammed by people who feel the movement is more anti-feminism and social justice than anything else.

Well, Intel eventually reinstated their advertising and has now gone one step further by announcing a $300 million fund to increase diversity in its workforce, as well as supporting more diversity in gaming – an obvious nod to the #AntiGamerGate movement.

Currently the Intel technical work force is made up of 30% women and only 2-7% of their entire workforce is black. This is an obvious imbalance and highlights the problem that people are campaigning about. Intel has now promised the funds to historically black colleges and universities, and that it will invest in efforts to bring more women into the gaming industry.

The reasons why there are fewer black people (and all people of colour really) in the technical industry in America are wide and varied and for the love of all that is holy don’t start your racist rubbish in my comments section.

Helping certain groups throw off the yoke of social injustice is great and something that I do support. However, it’s never that straight forward is it?

For one, Intel themselves have stated that only 18% of technical undergraduate degrees are being awarded to women, so the fact that their workforce in technical departments is 30% actually shows that Intel is way ahead of the curve; investing more money might seem to be counter productive and could be seen as a move against other groups.

On the other hand, they have also revealed that if their workforce was properly representative of the qualified technical race breakdown, their black employees would increase by 48% (of the current 2-7%). This highlights two issues, there is a blatant and definite anti-black hiring agenda there, and the number of technically skilled black candidates is far lower than that of other races, which is why they are investing in black colleges.

Personally, I’m a fan of policies that force diversity. Once a certain race or gender has taken control in a specific sphere, it is immeasurably harder for people of other races and genders to break in.

But it’s a tricky road and the first time a white male is passed over for a less qualified black or female employee I expect a lawsuit to be raised.

In related GamerGate news, here is what happens to your traffic stats (read: Gamasutra’s stats) if you are a gaming site that decides to post an article dismissing gamers as a group.

Now Alexa rankings are notoriously terrible but wherever you stand in the GamerGate saga, you probably agree that as a gaming site it was a ridiculous idea posting an article stating

“Traditional ‘gaming’ is sloughing off, culturally and economically, like the carapace of a bug.”

and

“Gamer” isn’t just a dated demographic label that most people increasingly prefer not to use. Gamers are over. That’s why they’re so mad.

Personally, I still see myself as a gamer and I don’t find that embarrassing. I also see myself as a husband and a father to two young girls. Also a software developer and a journalist.

Being a gamer doesn’t make me what I am, but it does describe one of my many facets and I don’t agree that it’s a bad thing.

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Last Updated: January 7, 2015

109 Comments

  1. RinceThis

    January 7, 2015 at 10:15

    Admiral, prepare the BAN HAMMER!

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    • Raptor Rants A Lot

      January 7, 2015 at 10:17

      Darnit! Beat me to it!

      Reply

    • Hammersteyn

      January 7, 2015 at 10:18

      XD

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    • Rock789

      January 7, 2015 at 11:07

      First he has to steal it from Odin!!

      Reply

      • Raptor Rants A Lot

        January 7, 2015 at 12:19

        He used it against Odin already. Odin is banned

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        • Admiral Chief

          January 7, 2015 at 14:39

          XD

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    • Admiral Chief

      January 7, 2015 at 14:39

      Locked and loaded!

      Reply

  2. Blood Emperor Trevor

    January 7, 2015 at 10:16

    Well done Intel.

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  3. Hammersteyn

    January 7, 2015 at 10:18

    Ban hammer? We summon @Admiral_Chief:disqus !

    Reply

    • Admiral Chief

      January 7, 2015 at 14:39

      Here I am!

      Reply

      • Hammersteyn

        January 7, 2015 at 14:44

        😀

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  4. Mandom (Umar)

    January 7, 2015 at 10:18

    Problem is too many people are on either end of a specific spectrum. On one end you hear screams oh how bad gamergate is on the end we hear how bad anti-gamergate is. This is not just specific to gaming either. So many people refuse to sif through the noise and formulate their own opinion and thoughts. Stuck with their own prejudices, they try and perpetuate their views and force them onto others instead of actually working towards a solution. We should all work towards promoting tolerance, tolerance of race, religion, gender etc …

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    • ToshZA

      January 7, 2015 at 10:20

      Step 1: be tolerant.

      That’s the step most people miss, but expect the rest to work out just fine.

      “Tolerance is amazing, but it’s for other people, not me. I hate people.”

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      • Mandom (Umar)

        January 7, 2015 at 10:25

        For me, tolerance and knowledge goes hand in hand. Being stuck in the darkness of ignorance is the biggest danger to humanity.

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      • Raptor Rants A Lot

        January 7, 2015 at 10:25

        It’s not even about tolerance. It goes about self respect. Respect yourself enough not to show your single minded sheep like following mentality. Show a bit of restraint and that you can be a decent human being.

        But people climb on the mob wagon and then just end up making things worse for the cause they are supporting.

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        • ToshZA

          January 7, 2015 at 10:31

          I think that ties in to what Umar replied as well. I agree with both you and @umarbastra:disqus .

          Knowledge, Self-respect, Tolerance.

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          • Raptor Rants A Lot

            January 7, 2015 at 10:35

            100%

  5. Uberutang

    January 7, 2015 at 10:19

    I am still not sure on what side of the gaming gate I am? I play games, what does that make me other than a gamer?

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    • Raptor Rants A Lot

      January 7, 2015 at 10:22

      I just don’t get involved in the GamerGate thing. Gamergate has good points but bad implementation and tend to get mob like.

      Anit-GamerGate tends to forget that GamerGate has some valid points.

      Hence I don’t get involved and just buy and play games that make me happy

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      • miza

        January 7, 2015 at 22:14

        The thing is, GamerGate has come to represent several things that have nothing to do with each other. I agree, people should just drop the label altogether

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      • miza

        January 7, 2015 at 22:14

        The thing is, GamerGate has come to represent several things that have nothing to do with each other. I agree, people should just drop the label altogether

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  6. Raptor Rants A Lot

    January 7, 2015 at 10:19

    I fully support diversity. I even support giving a helping hand where there was previous disadvantages to help boost them to the level people should have been before being discriminated against.

    However it is a slippery slope because people tend to forget to switch it off. But I am not going in to that as it’s a heavy and heated discussion I just don’t have the energy for right now.

    As for posting an anti-gaming article on a gaming site… Site suicide. Seriously. How did you think your readers would react?

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  7. Hammersteyn

    January 7, 2015 at 10:19

    Leigh Alexander might not be up for promotion anytime soon. Or any bonuses

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    • Jonah Cash

      January 7, 2015 at 10:42

      Or any work in the industry at another gaming website!! I don’t get why they would even put that article up!!

      Reply

  8. CAE9872

    January 7, 2015 at 10:25

    Everyone goes on about how the gaming demographic is 50:50 (male vs female) – but is it? Should it be? Likewise does the number of black, pink, purple, green, orange, white people playing games – must it represent the general demographic?

    I don’t say it must – sometimes, things are ahead of the curve, sometimes behind. That is life. Heck in golfing vast majority of players appear to be white males (I don’t play); yet the most successful golfer is black. So?

    Why must everything we do in society mirror a subset? I applaud the fact that someone somewhere wants to provide equal opportunities, but that doesn’t necessarily translate into equalising the demographic. Some people just like different things more.

    Oh and F**K the article – I am a GAMER and PROUD of it. That doesn’t make me privileged, short-sighted, racist, sexist, etc etc etc. It means I like to shoot people in the face, kick them in the balls, chase trinkets that do NOTHING, assassinate people, drive really fast cars and crash a lot.

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    • Quo Vadis?

      January 7, 2015 at 10:27

      well written. 100% agree.

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    • ToshZA

      January 7, 2015 at 10:32

      I think first comment of the week right here. Well written. +1

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    • Mandom (Umar)

      January 7, 2015 at 10:33

      Its not just about equal opportunities. It’s about destroying discrimination and prejudices all together. There should be no difference between a male or female. There should be no difference between black people and white people. It’s about equal representation. It’s about there NOT being a problem if you’re white, or black, male or female etc…

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    • Raptor Rants A Lot

      January 7, 2015 at 10:34

      I think it goes a bit deeper than that.

      Let’s take the black angle. Blacks were heavily discriminated against and thus it prevented many of them from even getting in to things such as gaming or technology or whatever industry because they had no access to it.

      By implementing policies to help boost this, it doesn’t fix the past but it kind of starts to bridge the gap that was caused and helps those who are suffering from the effects of racism to get a foot in the door so to speak (Remember that the current generation is battling because their parents of the previous gen who were discriminated against can’t afford to send them where they need to go for whatever they want to study)

      Hence why certain things such as funding for previously disadvantaged people can help a huge amount.

      HOWEVER (There is always a but huh?) there is a point where it needs to stop. One can’t support and fund and uplift in to perpetuity and this is where what you said is so right.

      Just because the base demographic of society is X amount of one group and Y amount of another it doesn’t mean that every industry must reflect this. Maybe the interest for X or Y industry just isn’t there.

      The same thing for woman. Just because there aren’t a lot of woman in the creation part of the gaming industry doesn’t mean they are discriminated against. It could be as innocent as “Heck, maybe the majority of woman aren’t interested in getting that involved. They like playing games but don’t always want to get involved in making them”

      And this is where the biggest issue starts where you end up with GamerGate and AntiGamerGate type communities. The one believes too hard that the other is wrong and refuse to look at the most likely, innocent reasons for the apparent “unfair distribution” of whichever group.

      So there is truth in what you say but there is also the harsh reality that certain groups may be less in an industry due to previous wrongs. So help out. Fund. But remember to not keep doing it forever once the baseline has improved, or failing to improve realise there just aren’t as many people interested as one would think.

      Making sense?

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      • Mandom (Umar)

        January 7, 2015 at 10:38

        Fantastic, both you and @CAE9872 are correct in your comments. It’s not just about numbers as who’s to say that so and so is discriminating against a demographic because it has a lower percentage of X and Y, but there is actual discrimination too and equal representation needs to be achieved (and not necessarily by equalizing the amount X and Y demographics)

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        • Raptor Rants A Lot

          January 7, 2015 at 10:41

          Absolutely.

          An industry could have 5% of demographic X and 95% of demographic Y and STILL be equally representative if that is the amount of interest that was shown by each demographic.

          Now if demographic X had 50% interest shown by valid candidates and the company has only 5% of demographic X THEN you have an issue. That is discrimination.

          But people are far too quick to pull out the baseline numbers and go “SEE! Discrimination!” It’s absolute bull. If that 5% is the only 5% that showed interest you can’t blame the company. They are not going to walk around the streets asking demographic X if they wouldn’t like to join up.

          But anyway, knowledge, tolerance, self-respect

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          • Her Highness the Hipster

            January 7, 2015 at 10:55

            Yes and no. I agree that you can’t go out and ask people if they want to join up. However, I worked as a teacher in a previous life, and it’s amazing how little under-privileged groups know about such opportunities or how to access them. It’s not always that there isn’t interest – it’s often that they don’t even know such jobs, fields, studies, etc even exist. But that’s an inherent structural issue that can’t be overcome overnight or even by a $300 million investment.

          • Raptor Rants A Lot

            January 7, 2015 at 11:04

            Absolutely! And that’s why I said above that the funding and assistance needs to happen. It absolutely must. The world is still vastly unbalanced in terms of who has access to what.

            It’s a solid truth and no one can or should deny that it’s a problem. Whether it’s racism or sexism, it’s an unfortunate part of our current world situation.

            So the support has to happen. But people do forget that sometimes the interest just isn’t there. Yes, maybe they don’t know about the gaming industry. But once exposed it doesn’t mean they magically will want to be part of it (Or any other industry).

            Sure one can argue it’s not in their nature because of discrimination and so they need time to kind of get in to it and that’s where upliftment programs help a lot.

            But to say it’s only due to discrimination is very wrong and insulting because you are then forcing people to believe they SHOULD be in a specific industry whether they want to or not. Again it boils down to knowledge. Understand the industry, understand the demographic and keep an eye on uptake VS interest once exposed to it through upliftment programs.

          • Mandom (Umar)

            January 7, 2015 at 11:07

            Fantastic point, this is why we can’t be quick to dismiss these issues. It’s important to have the awareness and structure there so that all demographics are have an opportunity to know and pursue these things and be able to be equally represented. Alas, as you said, it won’t happen overnight, but it is REAL, and we should realize, for our own enlightenment, what forces are at work. At the very least, we NEED to pass this knowledge down to the next generation as well. It starts by us, NOW, and while it is a long journey, we need to look at EVERYTHING and try and make a change..

      • CAE9872

        January 7, 2015 at 10:44

        Yeah makes sense but will respond a little.

        Your point about the black demographic appears more from an SA context and that is undoubtedly a WHOLE different kettle of fish. Here in SA we have major historic issues that need to be redressed. So the argument is to consider it more from a whole world population perspective although that is fraught with dangers of its own as no country is innocent when it comes to racism/less privileged/historic issues, etc.

        And yes we 100% in agreement – some demographics like certain things i.e. there is no specific reason why X or Y would be involved in Z hobby. It’s just a natural course of life. Nothing sinister as to why. And hence again we agree that some people take stance too far either side and cannot see “the wood for the trees” so to speak.

        At the end people forget it is an entertainment medium – some people gravitate towards it, some don’t. And that is cool.

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      • Hammersteyn

        January 7, 2015 at 10:45

        Yes makes sense, but who decides when to stop? The one side will always want to keep changing it forever while the other would argue that it’s changed enough.

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        • Raptor Rants A Lot

          January 7, 2015 at 10:57

          When you see interest in a field match the uptake in said field.

          So if there is an interest of 30% and close to 30% take it up (It can never be fully 30% as one can never make sure every person interested in something always gets in), then you know it’s on track and the inability to take up the interest is no longer an issue. The ability to go in to the field is the true measure. Not whether the demographics of a country match the industry

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          • Hammersteyn

            January 7, 2015 at 11:12

            The ability is important, yet there has been some questionable appointments. Especially in certain sectors. The idea is sound. The execution not so much.

          • Raptor Rants A Lot

            January 7, 2015 at 11:20

            Yeah, the appointment needs to be valid otherwise the system falls flat

          • Anon A Mouse

            January 7, 2015 at 11:29

            Not to sound like an ass, but just because I’m interested in something doesn’t mean (or is a good indication) that I have the ability to perform the job. I have an interest in nuclear energy for example, doesn’t mean that I will be able to do any job relating to nuclear energy.
            I do think the ability to enter an industry is a good indication but that is still very simplistic. Just because you are able to study a field and find a job in that field still isn’t an indication that there may or may not be any roadblocks ahead.

          • Raptor Rants A Lot

            January 7, 2015 at 11:39

            Perhaps I wasn’t clear. By uptake I mean trying to pursue it and also why I said it will never be exact.

            And by interest I mean people who actively take an interest in trying to get in to the field.

            So as an example.

            In a group of 100 people let’s say 30 are genuinely interested, but only 15 actively try to go in to the field (the ones that believe they have the ability)

            The interest in the field would therefore be 15%, not 30%.

            Then of those 15 only 10 make it. So the uptake is 10%.

            As long as the 5 that didn’t make it, didn’t make it due to simply not having it in them and not because they were discriminated against, then the 10% that made it is 100% fine and an actual representation of the demographic. Even if the demographic in the community is actually 30% or more.

            30% show interest, only 15% show genuine interest in to going in to the field, only 10% make it because let’s face it, not everyone succeeds at everything they try *sigh* If only we could all succeed at everything all the time 🙁

            Did that make more sense?

          • Anon A Mouse

            January 7, 2015 at 11:56

            Received loud and clear Sir. Ok then I do agree that will be a way to go forward, problem still is going to be the people that receive will hate to lose something they were used to receive, but that’s a discussion for a later date.

          • Raptor Rants A Lot

            January 7, 2015 at 12:12

            Oh heck yes. The whole “handout” dilemma. Get people used to handouts and they will continue to expect it. Terrible human nature. Just look at gamers and the free-2-play MMO thing. It costs lots of money to run permanent servers yet gamers want everything online free-2-play. Coz we are used to it.

            But as you said. Whole different kettle of fish that one

          • John Sartoris

            January 7, 2015 at 22:09

            Don’t worry, there are plenty of capable female software engineers, game developers, and writers out there already, and more are coming. Your doubt of that reflects the unfortunate attitude many women in the industry face. It’s why some need activist hiring to get jobs.

    • Blood Emperor Trevor

      January 7, 2015 at 10:44

      Yes, you can’t force demographics into a nice even picture. That’s political BS. Make opportunities available, and if a certain group or groups didn’t have access, or only limited access, to those opportunities before then assist somehow. And encourage people to do what they want to do, not what’s “expected” of them because of who or what they are. Remove fucking barriers through making knowledge available.

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  9. Blood Emperor Trevor

    January 7, 2015 at 10:33

    You know, when I first read that article I was pissed off by it because gamer is just one of the many labels that can be applied to me. But then I thought about it a bit. I think her overall point was about how it’s become more mainstream, with many people playing different kinds of games, and not a “niche” activity. Don’t forget it’s a massive massive industry now, times have changed. Some people seem threatened by the fact THEIR hobby has broadened its horizons and started catering to all kinds of tastes and people, and not just the acceptable “real” games and “real” gamers.

    My one colleague had absolutely zero interest in games & thought I was odd for enjoying them as an adult – age-wise anyway. A few months back she got an Android phone & now happily shows me the mobile games she’s enjoying. I think that’s pretty cool. Other people would call her a fake and a casual because somehow they’re more “hardcore”. It’s pretentious twaddle.

    I liken it to how long time comic book fans react to people who enjoy the movies but aren’t “real fans” because they don’t know 20 billions years worth of canon or read the comics. As if that threatens their enjoyment somehow and delegitimises the other peoples’ interest, which it doesn’t.

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    • Dutch Matrix

      January 7, 2015 at 10:39

      What core gamers and nerds in general tend to forget: Making games is a huge expense. One that the core gaming demographic (if I can call it that) just cannot carry alone anymore.

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      • Blood Emperor Trevor

        January 7, 2015 at 10:45

        Exactly.

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  10. Ghost In The Rift

    January 7, 2015 at 10:33

    I just wish i get a gaming girlfriend:-(,here in Nam they only care about Facebook en SOKKIE!!!O_o

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    • CAE9872

      January 7, 2015 at 10:34

      You know ‘Nam ended like 40 years ago right? Its OK – you can come back now 🙂

      Reply

      • Blood Emperor Trevor

        January 7, 2015 at 10:35

        LOL!

        Maybe he’s like that Japanese WW2 soldier who only surrendered something like 30 years later?

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        • Hammersteyn

          January 7, 2015 at 10:39

          Yeah, he was stuck on an island all alone. He wins hide and seek by a mile.

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          • CAE9872

            January 7, 2015 at 10:45

            LOL

          • Dutch Matrix

            January 7, 2015 at 10:45

            MOre like by 3 decades…

          • Ghost In The Rift

            January 7, 2015 at 10:56

            Im like right here you know,im not invisable,not yet though,i am planning on it:D

          • Blood Emperor Trevor

            January 7, 2015 at 11:01

            Shhhhh, we’re talking about you – not to you. *run*

        • Rock789

          January 7, 2015 at 11:13

          There’s a joke in there from The Goon Show, I’m sure of it! 😉 🙂

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          • Blood Emperor Trevor

            January 7, 2015 at 11:18

            It makes me sad that I can only give you one upvote for mentioning the greatest comedy show of all time.

          • CAE9872

            January 7, 2015 at 11:20

            Yeah well that just shows your age…

          • Blood Emperor Trevor

            January 7, 2015 at 11:22

            It’s timeless 🙁

          • Rock789

            January 7, 2015 at 11:24

            😉 Awesome show! A work-colleague at my old job in East London actually introduced me to it many moons ago… Such a great, funny radio show!

    • Dutch Matrix

      January 7, 2015 at 10:36

      Rooi Rok Bokkie!
      Ons gaan die hele aand Sokkie!!!
      Never though that song caught on in Vietnam though…

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      • Blood Emperor Trevor

        January 7, 2015 at 10:38

        you never heard the classic “Sokkie sokkie VC-dans”?

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        • Dutch Matrix

          January 7, 2015 at 10:45

          Sung by Son-Han Herholdt? Of course I did!

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      • Ghost In The Rift

        January 7, 2015 at 10:54

        Namibia O_o

        Gaming in Vietnam is Flappybird 0_o

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    • ToshZA

      January 7, 2015 at 10:45

      I have one. I introduced her to Diablo 3 last night – she left at like 12:30 this morning. She didn’t even realise the time. Was awesome!

      😀

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      • Ghost In The Rift

        January 7, 2015 at 10:52

        If i could curse you 😛

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  11. Jonah Cash

    January 7, 2015 at 10:38

    I think this is a good article to not take a stand in!! I think very differently than most people over this, because it has affected me personally so yeah… All I will say is that I am a white male and I won’t apologize for that and that can’t possibly be good enough a reason to not give me a job or a place on a team… Jonah out *Throws down mic…

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    • Spathi

      January 7, 2015 at 11:04

      You don’t have to apologise. I’m real proud of being an Afrikaans white male and I will also not apologise for the dumb shit other white males did, just as I won’t take credit for all the good stuff white males did.

      I believe in judging each person on his or her own merit, and if people judge me on being Afrikaans and white, fuck em.

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      • Brady miaau

        January 7, 2015 at 12:09

        hell yeah, nicely said.

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    • Raptor Rants A Lot

      January 7, 2015 at 11:44

      If you were passed over SIMPLY because you were white then the company who did it has no clue what BEE and AA actually should be (As most companies don’t).

      Sorry to hear it’s affected you like that 🙁

      Has happened to me in the past too. Left me with a sour taste in my mouth.

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    • Brady miaau

      January 7, 2015 at 12:11

      I work at a black owned company, but they would never, ever pass over someone based on other than merit. For them, they make money when the best people are in the job. I wish more and more companies thought that way, but it seems large corporates cannot do that. Eskom, for example, would rather sit without 14 needed electrical engineers, specialists, than hire the AVAILABLE white men. Stupid. AND against the law.

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      • Raptor Rants A Lot

        January 7, 2015 at 12:16

        That’s something so many companies fail to see. There are laws against NOT hiring someone based on skin colour. Even AA and BEE have clauses around this and in the case of Eskom they are supposed to hire those engineers if there is no other valid, qualified interest from other parties.

        But companies take BEE and AA and destroy what it is meant to achieve by misreading and misinterpreting the law and then act all hurt and go “oh but we can’t hire you coz you are not BEE”

        Our government companies are the ones that need education on their own laws

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  12. Chris

    January 7, 2015 at 10:43

    Author; first off you should have provided a more comprehensive background to the whole gamergate debacle and include the information relating to the inappropriate relationships between journalists and developers – that kickstarted the entire thing in the first place!
    That is what caused it all, that is what lead to the anti-gamer articles and defamatory statements.
    All because some 3rd wave fascist ultra-feminazi was pushing an agenda and using games as the medium.

    That said, I side with CAE9872 on this.

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    • Anon A Mouse

      January 7, 2015 at 10:58

      Anyone that has any incline into gaming and still doesn’t know what Gamergate is all about, shouldn’t be commenting here anyway. It was front news in the gaming media for how many months.

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      • Chris

        January 7, 2015 at 12:01

        I’m all well aware of that – however the requisite standard of journalism should include a proper contextual background.
        Keep in mind that it’s not just gamers who will be drawn into reading tech news.

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        • Brady miaau

          January 7, 2015 at 12:06

          I understand what you are saying, but almost no article of this nature does that. At least not on the news sites I read. Perhaps a few hyperlinks out would be useful.

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          • Chris

            January 7, 2015 at 12:15

            Fair point – I agree.

    • Sageville

      January 7, 2015 at 11:25

      We’ve had umpteen articles on this subject. I’m sure you can search the online media for the context.

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      • Hammersteyn

        January 7, 2015 at 11:35

        Holy shit! You’re alive?

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        • Sageville

          January 7, 2015 at 12:01

          Barely, I’m still looking for the good Hammer-gif of 2015…..

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          • Hammersteyn

            January 7, 2015 at 12:03

            Hehe, early days. But I’ll get there.

      • Raptor Rants A Lot

        January 7, 2015 at 11:41

        It lives!!!

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    • Gavin Mannion

      January 7, 2015 at 12:02

      You are joking right? An entire comprehensive round up of GamerGate would cause me to commit suicide.

      not to mention the slew of differing opinions and facts around it all.. no thanks

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      • Chris

        January 7, 2015 at 12:08

        But I like reading 😛
        Or if you just want to laugh your tits off, read the ED page on GamerGate.

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  13. Anon A Mouse

    January 7, 2015 at 11:11

    “This highlights two issues, there is a blatant and definite anti-black hiring agenda there” ` Gavin please supply any evidence that this is a fact and not just a conclusion you decided to come up with based on a statistical percentage.

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    • Gavin Mannion

      January 7, 2015 at 12:05

      Institutional Racism is nothing new and it is a well known fact that blights companies. It’s not that anyone in the hiring process is racist but at the same time they stick to what they know and this causes these oddities.

      The fact that the black employee population is 48% lower than it should be is a strong indicator of instituional racism that should be resolved

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      • Anon A Mouse

        January 7, 2015 at 13:05

        But in your article you state as fact that Intel has “a blatant and definite anti-black hiring agenda”, without any fact to back this up. You make a presumption on statistics without having cold hard facts. It may or may not be the case at Intel but without the facts I can’t know. Racism is nothing new and a well known fact that blights white people over the world, yet despite the fact that studies show that 50% of white people in South Africa yearns for the Apartheid era to return, I can’t state as a fact that you, as a white person, is racist or yearns for apartheid to return.

        Let’s take this further. A few years back, while I was still in the audit industry, we made a conscious decision to employ far more black people and women that applied for internships. Yes it was a business decision due to the fact that government tenders are easier when you have more BBBEE employees. After two years of doing this we had a total of two more black trainees than previously. The fact that we’ve employed about 15 out of the 30 new employees over that time(when the total amount of black people in the auditing industry were less than 10%, but all of them decided to leave and take employment at the top 5 firms for loads more money, doesn’t show up in the statistics. After that we went back to our normal recruitment, which were first received, first hired on merit.

        By using your method of analyzing this then, it is proof that we had “a blatant and definite anti-black hiring agenda”. Without knowing the complete background this is an absolutely stupid assumption to throw out as a fact.

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        • Bob

          January 7, 2015 at 17:34

          This reminds me of a certain government who’s State Owned Enterprises which hire on gender and other demographic factors first before merit. We are seeing the fruition of this plan now with excellent post offices and an uninterrupted electricity supply!

          Your gender, race and sexual orientation can probably do a better job than your work experience and qualifications.

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  14. Blasted Blast

    January 7, 2015 at 11:16

    So let me get this straight. Feminists attack gamers, Intel says having none of that *pulls advertising* then does a hypocritical turn around and now supports Fembots? Can someone explain to me what the fuck is going on and what?

    Also why are Feminists all of a sudden interested in computer games? Ah I get it… The gaming industry is big and it’s taking away the attention of the putty party play victim Feminist party.

    That and in their sick fucked up minds they think controlling the male majority of the gaming community that they can condition the little kiddies growing up to be morphed into plush little cherribs.

    Trust me Feminism is more fucked up, evil and hidden intentioned then you think.

    Also the other reason for wanting to control and targeting the gaming industry is because it’s one area people can escape and don’t have to put up with the bullshit of the world, it’s a temp escape where you can’t control someone.

    But you know those feminists, they love their control. Feminists have the same tactics as terrorists, infiltrating, changing rules to their way bit by bit till what’s left is a culture ripped apart and only their gender issues remain.

    Trust me you have no idea how evil these Feminists are.

    No Idea.

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  15. Brady miaau

    January 7, 2015 at 12:03

    A great article and a great show (show only, now) done by Intel.
    My industry, IT and Engineering, is mostly male dominated. Why? I do not know. I can tell you that, in my full view, some of the males in this industry are very dismissive of ideas and so forth from woman. And it is pathetic. So much can be written and said about this, with no real agreement and meaningful action taken.

    These things take generations to resolve and look at. At least today female gamers can wear unburnt Bra’s. Which I think is awesome.

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  16. Kromas, Guardian of Cenarius

    January 7, 2015 at 12:45

    Oh damn. I was so busy playing games I completely forgot about gamersgate. Oh well. Back to DA:I.

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  17. SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

    January 7, 2015 at 13:02

    Wait. Why are Gamers over? I’m going to tell you all something. I don’t understand this at all. I just don’t get it. How can a label be over (or dated), if it is still being used by a large cross-cultural group of individuals (across multiple generations)? The label itself isn’t guilty of being a misogynist – nor is it bound to any specific ethnic groups. For that matter, I’m not aware of it even being a class specific label. As far as I’m aware, the label welcomes all who would be (or call themselves) gamers – whether you remember Sonic in his glory days or not.

    I see this Gamergate thing – but I never understand why the “gamer” is dead. This line of logic eludes me. And no one explains it very well. It just seems “obvious” that we’re all dead. And I’m not mad about that. I’m just confused as to how we got here. What logic led you to this conclusion, oh original writer (or sayer – if video) of words?

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  18. Tom Krager

    January 7, 2015 at 14:03

    So basically as a society we have decided that in any situation if there are more white people in a given group(especially white males) than you would expect given racial demographics, it is automatically a horrible thing .. . So what about all the situations where white males are actually under represented? like say the NFL?

    “there is a blatant and definite anti-black hiring agenda there” Sense when does disparity in numbers automatically mean racism? lol .. . you ppl never find it necessary to actually provide evidence for your conclusions. SJW’s should be ashamed .. . but that requires the ability to feel shame I guess.

    “For one, Intel themselves have stated that only 18% of technical undergraduate degrees are being awarded to women, so the fact that their workforce in technical departments is 30% actually shows that Intel is way ahead of the curve; investing more money might seem to be counter productive and could be seen as a move against other groups.”

    So wouldn’t this actually mean that women are unfairly over represented in the company? I mean if only 18% are qualified yet the work force is 30% woman, that would mean that unqualified women are being hired over potentially qualified men .. . so how is that far again?

    “”Personally, I’m a fan of policies that force diversity. Once a certain race or gender has taken control in a specific sphere, it is immeasurably harder for people of other races and genders to break in.”
    This is just an assertion based on your assumption of extreme racism. You should actually have to provide examples of why in this specific instance, difference groups of ppl are being kept from breaking into the company.

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  19. Tom Krager

    January 7, 2015 at 14:05

    “But it’s a tricky road and the first time a white male is passed over for a less qualified black or female employee I expect a lawsuit to be raised.”
    Which they would be right for doing because they would be being discriminated against based on their race and gender . . .

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  20. Tom Krager

    January 7, 2015 at 14:10

    another issue is the blatant misrepresentation of Gamergate . .. Constant straw mans are made of gamergate. If you actually watch all the popular gamergate videos on youtube, read all the poplar gamergate bloggers, you would realize that gamergate has almost always been for gaming culture and honestly in gaming journalism. As well as being about supporting our favorite videogames from the attacks of extreme feminists. Anyone who says differently is simply lying or misunderstood. when you debate with someone. . . it is best to actually debate the arguments and ideas they support and claim to have, not the ideas you prescribe onto them.

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  21. Sgt. M

    January 7, 2015 at 14:33

    Hammer lol

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  22. Brian Murphy

    January 7, 2015 at 15:03

    Actually, hate to break it to everyone, but the sad fact is, males and boys have over the past 10-20 years started to drop off a cliff with regards to college degrees and education in schools (Women graduate more, have better grades and a higher percentage of degrees). Couldn’t possibly be because they’ve been told for the past 20 years they’re worthless, and the source of every evil society has to offer though, right?

    Bottom line, society spent the better part of 2 decades doing some very important work getting women into the work force, under the guise of equality. However, what ended up happening is all the focus was spent on women, while dumping on the male gender, but not actually teaching males the new ways of things.

    If schools continue to teach the same things to boys, while making new curriculum for women that empowers them, it’s simply going to leave males in the same mindset that they’ve been for decades, which puts them in a very very poor position moving forward. That of course, assumes they haven’t receded into apathy by that point. So, if the course stays the same, you’re looking at a good half of the populace who just doesn’t give a shit. So, we’re basically traded one mode of inequality for another. Bravo.

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    • Blood Emperor Trevor

      January 7, 2015 at 22:51

      Your links don’t support your argument.

      The NY Times piece is the only one providing some objective assessment, and all it does is stress the difference in approach to learning between female & male students at tertiary institutions. Unless your contention is that when competing on a even academic playing field that it’s unfair women do better than men because they work harder at it. Nowhere did any of the male students mention feelings of worthlessness because of feminism nor was there any such implication.

      The other two are opinion pieces with anecdotes and gender stereotypes used to back up what few facts they contain, and were a waste of time to read.

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  23. Travi the Batman

    January 7, 2015 at 16:55

    ..isn’t it discrimination towards other races to support historically black colleges and not just.. you know, colleges? I mean, am I the only one seeing the irony and hypocrisy here?
    Aren’t they doing the exact opposite of including as many potential future employees to just one group, said group being limited by the amount of melanin in their skin or that the fact that they happen to have tits and vagina?
    This wave of “political correctness for the sake of being politically correct” needs to be thrown out of the airlock, before we create a society of victims.
    That lawsuit thing you mentioned? You can bet your ass it’s coming.
    America is a fucked up country ho-ly fuck.

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  24. Charl van der Merwe

    January 8, 2015 at 07:58

    Ugh gamerGate, Inferiority complexes, political correctness hyperbole.I just throw up in my mouth a little reading this rubbish.

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