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Racism is a real problem in local eSports

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Smite the racists

Living in South Africa is a blessing in so many ways. We have an incredible quality of life and get to live n some of the most beautiful and vibrant cities on the planet. However there is a darker side to our country and it comes as a surprise to no one that one of our biggest problems is racism.

Hell the country was a pariah of the planet for many years due to the ridiculous apartheid structure but since 1994 that has all changed and I like to think the vast majority of people don’t subscribe to that point of view. However recently I’ve been hearing more and more about the rampant racism that is occurring in online gaming via IRC chats, in game text and, most predominantly, over voice chat.

Racism in gaming isn’t what has me worried though, idiots exist everywhere and there isn’t much chance we can avoid them. What has me really worried though is the attitude of many gamers about the subject. Very few people will agree with the racists but here are just some comments that I’ve taken from Facebook about it.

Let me re-iterate this part. These Facebook conversations are public and by no means have I magically hacked into a private chat here.

The conversation starts off well enough with Lloyd posting about blatant racism and how he thinks these people shouldn’t be part of the community.

Lloyd Hung: “NePhaLliM” and “GolFie”, never before have I seen such blatant racism in a dota game. I really don’t think they should be a part of this community. I’ll update with Game ID once its finished.
Edit: Game ID 352252852 – Conversation happens around the 10 to 20 min mark if i’m not mistaken.

He gives the Game ID for people to go check for themselves.

The very first comment though shows the trend that we have to fight against

Duan Hechter So report it in game. You don’t have to report it to a FB group that’s not affiliated with the game.

Definitely not condoning the issue but asking why even raise it in the DOTA 2 South African Facebook group? 9 people liked this comment, you can see who here.

Then someone else chimes in

Juandre Mulder Racism is everywhere in games ,stop crying on a page that has fuckall 2 do about politics or human race

Which thankfully no one liked and he got a valid response soon after

Duncan Frickel Yet Juandre is this not the Dota2 south africa community page? and are not those players a part of our community?#deepthoughts

Which was also quickly followed up by the DoGaming editor who communicates with the DoGamingLeague

Rob Clegg I was actually in the game. It was great. I’m going to work as hard as possible that those players are banned from the DGL as well. This is not the kind of community that people want.

I can say that with the chats I’ve had with Rob recently around this the DGL is very strict about racism and players and supporters alike have agreed that it simply doesn’t happen in their tournaments which is a great testament to the guys and girls over there.

Juandre does then come back and clarify by stating

Juandre Mulder Nope, Im just saying report it in game and let justice run its course ,cause complaining in here ,is not gonna help at all

Which is a point but the problem is a small in game ban won’t stop the players from thinking this is okay with their friends. This sort of behaviour shouldn’t be tolerated by the community and the best way to stop it happening is to ensure they don’t feel comfortable posting things like this in a public space.

The conversation then goes the way of most online conversations with idle threats and rubbish comments for a while before coming back to the problem at hand.

Daniel Grobbelaar The previous comments are tl;dr.
I have played with GolFie before. He is good and works well with his team. He does his job and he doesn’t complain.
That’s all that matters to me. I’d rather play with a good racist than a noob who isn’t.

Followed quickly by

Roland Bartelink Essentially is boils down to if you mind playing with people who have a fundamentally different lifestyle and outlook on life…People are all different, what you perceive as right and wrong is specific to you as it is with everyone else. They are just cultural and social norms and lack intrinsic value…Subjectively your arguments against racism are valid as are the arguments for racism…So yeah, potato

At this point everyone bailed from the conversation and I don’t blame them.

So are we just meant to accept racism because the idiotic racist is good at a game? Is this how little the community thinks about racism and how little they care about possibly the most disturbing part of our countries history? 

I asked for some more examples from the community and only received a single piece of solid proof which depresses me. Many people were happy to talk to me about it anonymously because they are worried about how the community would react to them naming and shaming people for racism.

The evidence to follow was from a recent incident where a player called RapingNinja (apparently it wasn’t him but a friend using his account) was playing against another player by the name of Strider. Strider is apparently in a cross racial relationship and has a photo on his Facebook page of him kissing his black girlfriend.

Incident
*Side note, the DJVega listed in the image is not the well known DJVEGA that plays for JnBn and was just an alias this person used

This was included with an email that also sad the following, names have been censored as I cannot validate it personally.

Backround to the story is that Strider had a black girlfriend and had a picture of himself kissing her as his facebook profile picture. Strider and RapingNinja were involved in banter about who played better and that was RapingNinja’s response.

A lot of people agreed that this is wrong and something must be done while others said it must be ignored and even called for Strider to be kicked from the group for “naming and shaming”. Myself, Strider, S***** and many more expressed that we feel something needs to be done, however, the post was removed by an admin.

After the post was removed we protested it and called out the admin who did it saying he was shutting down a very important issue. The admin then kicked me and Strider from the group. Scant protested the admins behaviour by making a long thread about how his actions are harming the community and the admin replied “tl;dr” and removed that post as well shortly after. The admin is J***** ******.

It is important to note that there are only two page admins being him and N*****, N***** was supportive of our voice and invited us back to the group but some are boycotting the group now due to what J***** ****** did. I think it really shows that people who have power are doing nothing and shutting down the issue, and that nothing is being done by people in power or the community to make change. We often bring it up but the topic disappears for a few months.

The moral of this little rant is that you as a community need to stop this being accepted. By ignoring it or accepting it you are being tarred with the same brush and if you think sponsors are gong to sit around supporting a community that acts like this in public you are sadly mistaken. 

I think it’s telling that this problem was first brought to us by one of the sponsors of local eSports.

The only way it can be beaten is by ensuring that the racists are too scared to publicly be racist just in case they end up being listed on the next community piece alongside the choice things they said. Pretty much every real employer will do a base Google search for your name when you apply for a real job and do you really want your name to be shown alongside something like this?

Now I’m not saying you mustn’t report them using the in game tools but to also take it a step further.. screenshot the violation and send it to us or post it on Facebook with the gamer’s details. Community action is the only way this can be solved.

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Last Updated: January 27, 2014

250 Comments

  1. Valshen

    January 27, 2014 at 12:42

    I hope this is the beginning of a trend that destroys the idea that being a racist / any hatespeech promoting fool online is fine and without consequence.

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    • Admiral Chief in Vegas

      January 27, 2014 at 13:18

      RAAAWWWRRR. Amen

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    • Eric

      January 27, 2014 at 13:23

      It won’t stop though. It’ll just shift onto another stereotype that more people are willing to ignore. Besides racism, you always get the hate against Russians on Dota. I recently learnt that World of Tanks it’s apparently bad being called Polish. How far do people really take it? Some friends make stereotypical jokes blatantly because of it’s racist nature(the joke of “how does every racist joke start? (0-0 ) ( 0-0)” comes to mind. Whilst some people find it funny, you’ll find equal amounts of people who will jump on the morality train and condemn it. Except when Trevor Noah makes it.

      I don’t condone what the people said in the article above though. There is no “but” or “if”‘s around it. THAT kind of racist should be stomped out, I agree. But people will always draw the line of where “racism” starts or ends on different places.

      PS sorry that my reply kinda went into it’s own direction instead of just focusing on your comment 😛

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      • Louis Neilson

        January 27, 2014 at 14:50

        It’s not an article, it’s more of a Heat Magazine blog post

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      • Weanerdog

        January 27, 2014 at 14:59

        You won’t get a lot of love been Polish in WOT EU server. Mostly snide remarks not blatant racism but those guys really have no love for each other.

        You won’t be called polish but “Siema” (greeting in polish I believe) player.

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        • Buthelezi

          January 27, 2014 at 19:38

          fag hater

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          • Weanerdog

            January 28, 2014 at 11:33

            It is the absolute lack of any creativity of your remark that really makes me feel sad. To think that our schooling system has failed you so.

  2. Devourer of Small Bunnies

    January 27, 2014 at 12:43

    Ho-leeee fucking shit balls you are kidding? This is so far beyond my comprehension. Racsim is STILL a thing? (In games) Thankfully Ive had plenty a game, with a multitude of females greens pinks men oranges and greys. Back in the early days you would get your odd dutch entrenched n00blette that would befall a racist comment in lieu of skill, thankfully it was a local lan and we took the lad out for a bit of a talking to. Over the net luckily nothing thus far, perhaps its my online circles or perhaps most people are adult enough to leave that kind of bullshit for other mediums

    I dont condone this behaviour at all. I really hope some civil cases get launched. Fuckers should feel the full brunt of their actions. So disappointing. Specially under the guise of “the smart mans game”

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  3. Nugget

    January 27, 2014 at 12:45

    Not a big gamer, but I’m really happy that people with influince are approaching this subject. It really is pathetic that anyone believes that racism is alright within any online community. It doesn’t matter how well you play, if you’re a racist you should get kicked, banned blocked and humiliated by having your comments/ messages publicly associated with you.

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  4. Rags

    January 27, 2014 at 12:47

    • Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

      January 27, 2014 at 13:02

      lulz.

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      • Firebunny :D

        January 27, 2014 at 17:17

        STAFF RACIST. PLS REMOVE FROM STAFF.

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    • Lardus-Resident Perve

      January 27, 2014 at 13:04

      Rofl!!

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    • Admiral Chief in Vegas

      January 27, 2014 at 13:18

      Bwahahaha

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    • Hammersteyn

      January 27, 2014 at 13:26

      LOL!

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  5. CypherGate

    January 27, 2014 at 12:49

    Simply put. Games are meant to be played alone or with friends and the community. If you racist or have something against anyone…. keep it to yourself. You there to play games and simply have fun doing it. No need for all those extra hate conversations. This applies to anything else other than racism. Fair enough its good to have a bit of smack talk here and there with friends who actually knows how your personality is and how you joke, but keep that separate from the unknowns cause at the end of the day we all there just to play games and have pure fun.

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  6. Purple_Dragon

    January 27, 2014 at 12:50

    It’s really fucked up that they’d rather play with a racist because he is “good”.

    I thought the gaming community was better than this. But I must say I haven’t seen any seriously bad behaviour on LazyGamer. Great stuff.

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    • ALKi1234

      January 27, 2014 at 12:59

      You get ALLOT of assholes online.

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      • Buthelezi

        January 27, 2014 at 19:39

        but not enough dicks to fill them

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  7. Verrayne

    January 27, 2014 at 12:51

    I honestly hate the online community. It’s either a racist slur or female genitalia that gets thrown out everyone’s mouth constantly. If i think back to the old Warcraft III community (before dota exploded) it was quite a wonderful place. But ever since then things have just gone downhill.

    Then there are the other fun things like I’m going to get ass raped… Rape is not something to joke about much less threaten someone with it. Now I’m all for freedom of speech but I’m not homosexual, so please refrain from forcing your lifestyle up my rear end.

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  8. Spathi

    January 27, 2014 at 12:53

    Is it racist if you don’t like the entire human race, because I may be a racist then…

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    • Lardus-Resident Perve

      January 27, 2014 at 12:54

      Then you are a speciest along with me!!! 😛

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    • Hammersteyn

      January 27, 2014 at 13:25

      Me too.

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    • Gideon Venter

      January 27, 2014 at 18:01

      Misanthropic, actually.

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  9. Caveshen "CaViE" Rajman

    January 27, 2014 at 12:54

    The overwhelmingly sad truth is that this really isn’t anything new for Dota. Whether it’s on Steam with Dota 2 or the local server with DotA, for years and years. <3 Strider.

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  10. Lardus-Resident Perve

    January 27, 2014 at 12:55

    I would blame the parents, but then again I grew up in an AWB household and I do not condone racism of any kind (Some family members still need to “grow the F up” but I cannot force them).

    Being this blatant about it should never be condoned. Hell, even having half a brain most racists keep quiet unless they are in a “safe zone” with “likeminded idiots”. Online anonymity is such a crap thing sometimes. Come on NSA, you know who these people are! Do something!

    *lighter side* : “every real employer will do a base Google search” – I bloody well hope not!

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    • Unavengedavo

      January 27, 2014 at 13:00

      I heard on 702 the other day that if you list your place of employment on your Facebook profile and then make racist slurs(or anything the company views as going against their code of conduct) then you can be held accountable! But most people only do these thing behind a veil of anonymity. Little do they know that most things can be traced back to you if you aren’t carefull

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      • Gavin Mannion

        January 27, 2014 at 13:01

        I just want to push these people back behind that veil. It’s someone elses job after that

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      • Lardus-Resident Perve

        January 27, 2014 at 13:03

        I heard part of that I think. There was a “social media law expert” of some kind that rubbished peoples “disclaimers” that “it is their opinion and has nothing to do with the company”. As soon as you link the company, you can get in trouble. These people need to be held accountable!

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        • Unavengedavo

          January 27, 2014 at 13:10

          And sorry Timmy but you were kinda the perfect example of how easily people can get to information if they really want it. No one is truly Anonymous on the internet. Hell, most people can be trace by just doing a reverse image search on their profile pictures

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          • TiMsTeR1033

            January 27, 2014 at 13:21

            Thanks, I am made the example of!

          • Unavengedavo

            January 27, 2014 at 14:04

            Speaking of which, have you sorted that stuff out?

          • TiMsTeR1033

            January 27, 2014 at 14:07

            What stuff?

          • Unavengedavo

            January 27, 2014 at 14:15

            The trail of bread crumbs that lead me to you? You should be a bit more careful, unless you want random people finding you IRL.

          • RinceThis2014

            January 27, 2014 at 13:56

            Thank fuck you don’t have mu number or Facebook access… Oh crap

          • Unavengedavo

            January 27, 2014 at 14:01

            Bwahahaha… Yeah, social engineering works just as well 😛

  11. Umar Break Dancing Cyborg

    January 27, 2014 at 12:56

    Forever #SP

    Seriously though this is disgusting. But alas, That is society, we will be judged by our race, religion, beliefs, etc….Hopefully we take a stand and speak out against these ignorant ass bigots

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    • TiMsTeR1033

      January 27, 2014 at 13:26

      Its bullshit man! I mean look at you Umar, You not a white guy (not sure what you are) but it doesn’t flipping matter man, I am a Christian, you are I think Muslim, Does it matter nope. You are an awesome dude, I would gladly jam games with and hang out with. And this is how it should be…Colour and religion shouldn’t give a person the right to think badly apon them, if you wanna hate someone then be for what bad things ect they done, not their colour of their skin or the food they eat or the religion they choose.

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      • Umar Break Dancing Cyborg

        January 27, 2014 at 20:53

        Hahahaha best comment ever!! Hope we can jam one day bro!! 1000 percent agree with your comment

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      • Rags

        January 27, 2014 at 20:54

        Well said 😉

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  12. LAblak22

    January 27, 2014 at 12:58

    … Raping Ninjas. Right then.

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    • VampyricSquirrel Monk

      January 27, 2014 at 13:06

      poor ninjas

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      • TiMsTeR1033

        January 27, 2014 at 13:19

        my sentiments exactly!

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  13. RinceThis2014

    January 27, 2014 at 12:59

    Oh DOTA, you never cease to amaze me. WOW.

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    • Tarisma

      January 27, 2014 at 13:26

      not just Dota, oh internets

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      • ToshZA

        January 27, 2014 at 17:11

        Someone gets it. Internetz, you are teh evil.

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  14. Graeme Selvan

    January 27, 2014 at 13:00

    That’s disgusting! I cant believe in today’s day and age we have people that behave like this. Makes me really sad 🙁

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    • InsanityFlea

      January 27, 2014 at 13:03

      Kids.

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      • Graeme Selvan

        January 27, 2014 at 13:04

        Agreed, but the parents should take a role in what their kids are up to. My shoe would be worn from the amount of ‘Klaps’ they received from this.

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        • InsanityFlea

          January 27, 2014 at 13:06

          LOL, they don’t get beatings like we did, today the youth have zero respect man, it’s sad.

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    • Unavengedavo

      January 27, 2014 at 13:07

      And then they somehow try to justify it by saying “your arguments against racism are valid as are the arguments for racism”(yes I know its out of context)… But there is no justification for racism!

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      • Graeme Selvan

        January 27, 2014 at 13:10

        I wish we could all just get along and have fun, that’s what gaming is all about… Having fun. ARG!!! Just makes me so angry.

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        • Spathi

          January 27, 2014 at 13:12

          If the “fun” you are referring to is humiliating your enemy by tea bagging them while shouting obscenities over the mike, yes, then it is about fun 😛

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          • Graeme Selvan

            January 27, 2014 at 13:15

            There is always a place for tea-bagging. It’s simply a sign of marking your kill, showing your joy and moving along swiftly.

      • Lardus-Resident Perve

        January 27, 2014 at 13:11

        Yes, that guy is delusional. There is no argument that can justify the hatred that goes with racism. Freedom of association is NOT the same as racism, and this is where so many people get it wrong! Hatred will be the end of us all!

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  15. Brett Gunter

    January 27, 2014 at 13:04

    I fully support the idea that we should compile all evidence against this kind of behaviour and drag these wretches out into a public forum where they will be ashamed by their actions.

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  16. Gr8_Balls_o_Fire

    January 27, 2014 at 13:05

    Instead of playing games maybe these people should read some books.

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  17. Daniel Keevy

    January 27, 2014 at 13:11

    Definitely. It’s about time that gaming enters an age where petty and stupid discrimination stops. Hell, as a kid growing up, I was often discriminated against because I played games and and I know I’m not the only one.

    We need to remember that isolation, and realise that by permitting actions like this, we’re doing the exact same thing to someone else.

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    • Daniel Keevy

      January 27, 2014 at 13:14

      Also, using the handle Rapeninja makes me feel incredibly grossed out. We need to use the same spirit to fight sexism and masochism online as well. Aluta continua!

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  18. UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

    January 27, 2014 at 13:11

    I must admit that people are rather intensely racist in DOTA2 games. I find it off-putting.

    For me it comes down to if someone can play this game, but at the same time working well in a team means taking other people into account. I had a guy play with me a quite a few games who would just randomly say “Fuck it’s awesome to be white.” (This is actually something that saddens me. I once told someone I am proud of my Afrikaans and white rootes/ancestors and they started talking about racism o.O As if I should be ashamed to be who I am. A white Afrikaans male. Anyway…. )

    It made me laugh. He never said anything against other races ever.

    I agree with the sentiment that you need to keep it away from the DOTA2 page. Mainly, because 1.) The person knows by now that they are wrong. Racism isn’t okay 2.) There is nothing the admins or anyone else on that page can do. There are ways to report people and I have been successful in reporting people for racism or just being vulgar.

    I feel a bit sad that DOTA has been made the example here since I had the same experience when playing BF3. People tend to take shots at the DOTA community which irritates me at times, but meh. People will be people.

    In the end it comes down to the game creator (Valve in this case) to put in better reporting systems. Make sure people are banned and I would honestly permanently ban someone for repeated cases like this. Or at least extended periods of banning.

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    • Weanerdog

      January 27, 2014 at 15:05

      Blatant racism, sexism and hate speech should be automatic perma-ban.

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      • UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

        January 27, 2014 at 15:06

        I would probably give someone 3 strikes… You never know. People can change. Also hacking.

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        • Weanerdog

          January 27, 2014 at 15:20

          If your account is hacked, it could get hacked anouther 2 times so whats the difference. And yes people can change but they will have to do it on a new account.

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  19. Rags

    January 27, 2014 at 13:13

    I don’t know for me it’s a freedom of speech issue. And that freedom should triumph over anything that could be said. By silencing racists you are just silencing them instead of challenging their beliefs. To me censors are worse than racists. Yeah click the report button, that really is going to change the world!

    I also don’t see why sponsors should care about a public game? That’s like saying Castle won’t take Rugby seriously because playground kids behave badly. Not that racism doesn’t happen at high level sports, hello International Cricket and Luke Watson.

    It’s also about context, for all we know people are not inherently racists and are just fooling about with friends. My friends of various colour always mock each other and called what some ‘cultural sensative types’ would have us all on trail in Den Haag.

    I hope this did not come across as being defensive of racism. I am defensive of freedom to speak your mind. It’s the only way you know when you are dealing with a bigot, and its the only way you can challenge them.

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    • Gavin Mannion

      January 27, 2014 at 13:24

      I’m all for freedom of speech but this isn’t that. This is bordering on hate speech which isn’t allowed.

      Also this is comparing the rugby players acting poorly in a friendly game not a bunch of no name players acting badly.

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      • Rags

        January 27, 2014 at 13:31

        I am in a vast minority in this opinion, but I don’t care. I think if you don’t allow hate speech and incitement of violence it is not free speech. By example I’d rather want Malema’s EFF with public banners saying the time is up for us white folk and Zuma singing ‘bring me my machinegun’ than have them silenced and by implication losing my ability to know what they really think about me.

        And censoring that that kind of speech won’t change their opinion of me. It can only be changed through head on confrontation.

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        • HvR

          January 27, 2014 at 13:39

          But there are reasons for these rules and exceptions on freedom of speech.

          You only need a small actionable group of people around a personality propagating hate speech and the right catalyst for hate speech to escalate to the dismembered bodies of 500 000 to 1 000 000 men, women and children covering the streets.

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          • Rags

            January 27, 2014 at 13:53

            Yes, it has some risks, but what you often find is the same people inciting violence and hate are also those who seek protection from the hate speech laws. I don’t want to turn this in a religious debate, but just by example the Bible and Koran want almost everyone else dead, but they are the same people who call themselves persecuted under anti Christian bigotry and that remarkable word Islamaphobia.

            The question is where do you draw the line and who would you appoint to draw that line. In all the world I can’t see a single person qualified to do so. And that’s why imo it all should be allowed and those who have an unwelcome thought should receive extra protection from those who really are violent and who does not want that thought expressed.

          • HvR

            January 27, 2014 at 14:05

            We’ve had enough examples the last couple of decades to know beyond shadow of doubt that these risks are very real and left unchecked history have shown us that hate speech will grow into violence, mass murder and genocide.

            Just like everything else in the world all freedoms have limits, there are many regulations and guidelines as to limit freedoms as to not encroach on another rights. And courts to decide and interpret each and case on its own merits
            Freedom of sexual preference versus rape/child molestation
            Freedom to life choices versus deaths resulting from drunk driving
            Freedom of speech versus mass murder.

          • Rags

            January 27, 2014 at 14:35

            I agree, a good example it probably Rwanda. But again I’d rather hear it, have warning than to be jumped on. Silencing them is probably not going to change their opinion, it may soften the blow. It’s just false security imo.

            Bowing out now. This is getting too philosophical and political for a fine sunny Monday in the Boland 🙂

    • Verrayne

      January 27, 2014 at 13:33

      Freedom of speech does not mean:

      Freedom to Abuse
      Freedom to Degrade

      “Freedoms” should not come at the expense of the societal happiness.

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      • Rags

        January 27, 2014 at 13:34

        If it doesn’t, It should. 🙂

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        • Verrayne

          January 27, 2014 at 13:37

          I could joke and say: “in certain cases ;)”

          But I would rather not. I faced verbal abuse (in a racist sense) daily for 12 years while I was at school. It’s not something to joke about and should be taken care of quickly else the problems you might face down the road could be a lot worse.

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    • Warren Ross

      January 27, 2014 at 13:49

      I agree, actually. And it’s our duty to use our own free speech to fight back against this kind of stuff.

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  20. TiMsTeR1033

    January 27, 2014 at 13:15

    Does this Racist Crap ever end!!! For fuck sakes people, stop with the whole insults! We are all human beings, White,Black, Yellow, Brown, Green, Pink Or Red. Does it really matter.. The people who carry on with this racist way of thinking is what is bringing our Country down in so many ways, before you want to call someone a ugly racist name think about this, how would you feel if you were in that persons shoes? If this is how the Dota people are in some regards then screw dota man.

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    • Weanerdog

      January 27, 2014 at 15:10

      Well most racist probably love been insulted based on their own race as it justifies their actions.

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  21. Warren Ross

    January 27, 2014 at 13:19

    Plenty stuff that’s not acceptable in the local gaming scene with regard to racism, including stuff like having the old SA flag as your emblem in Battlefield 4. It’s very disappointing, and is something that all people should speak out against.

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    • Rags

      January 27, 2014 at 13:20

      I hate that too. And the South Africans in Australia waving the old flag at the international rugby games.:/

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      • Lardus-Resident Perve

        January 27, 2014 at 13:22

        That sucks big time. Showing the world why they felt “unwelcome” in their own country in the first place – because they did not believe others had the right to a good life. Me, personally – I despise that flag. Nou die Vierkleur – DIT is ‘n flag!

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        • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

          January 27, 2014 at 16:23

          I wonder when people will finally realise what that flag actually stands for. And just stop using it.

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          • Lardus-Resident Perve

            January 27, 2014 at 16:27

            People who wave the Oranje Blanje Blou around do not realise what it represents, or they do not care and never will. It does not represent “prouble Boer” like so many believe – actually the opposite!!

  22. RatherNotSay

    January 27, 2014 at 13:24

    DJVEGA was part of the wAr clan and played as far back as quake 2/3/QL as far as I can remember.. I could be wrong 🙁 And if I remember correctly, VEGA is a woman.
    Very surprised by this! Am pointing this out cos typically this is how online kiddies are, but VEGA isnt a kid, has been around for a long time 🙁

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    • Matthew Holliday

      January 27, 2014 at 13:40

      there have been several DJVEGAs.
      but Rapingninja is the guilty party, DJVEGA is the unlucky guy who lent his account to a friend who misused it.

      Reply

    • Rags

      January 27, 2014 at 13:42

      You are mostly right. Being part of wAr myself, I highly doubt it was djvega that said it, and if it was I think it was tongue in the cheek and not to be taken seriously.

      Reply

  23. Matthew Holliday

    January 27, 2014 at 13:25

    if racism gets caught and there the ingame report system doesnt have enough power, then the leagues must take it into their own hands.
    these guys are part of the DGL and the DGL as a company cannot be seen to be supporting racism, by not taking action against racist players.
    Banning racist players for a period of time from leagues should be a no brainer.

    However that does not solve the problem of the regular public player.

    being a racist carries no weight on the internet. regardless of morals and equality and all, there is no fear, no consequence.
    its always “racist comment here.” “oh i was just joking, i wasnt being serious, im sure your black girlfriend who i was commenting on is really a nice person” and to be honest, i believe them, im sure they have nothing against the people theyr being racist towards, but then they continue, because they really dont think its that big of a deal.
    people dont see it as a big deal anymore, they dont take it seriously and that is where the problem lies.

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      January 27, 2014 at 13:26

      And that is why I’m happy to publicly shame them because now it does carry weight and hopefully it will make just one person think twice about posting anything like that.

      Reply

      • Matthew Holliday

        January 27, 2014 at 13:40

        naming and shaming doesnt affect them though.
        no consequence.
        the DGL should have a code of conduct for all affiliated players, which i wouldnt be surprised if there already was one. its the DGLs job to enforce it.

        Reply

        • Robert Hart

          January 27, 2014 at 16:17

          The DGL IS enforcing it. Last year we we gave numerous players 6 month bans from the DGL for making racist remarks either on the DGL site or during a DGL match.

          What happens in the public matches however is out of our jurisdiction. For those cases we advise contacting the SA police to open a case against the person who made the racist remarks.

          Reply

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            January 27, 2014 at 16:21

            Surely the DGL could adopt a no tolerance hardline? Tiger Woods lost all his sponsorship for cheating on his wife. Surely the DGL could just say that no racists will ever be allowed into the league? So even if you’re caught using racist language in a random pub (screenshot ftw) you’re going to get the banhammer? Many players link their steam accounts to dotabuff. Easy to figure out if there was a specific account in a game.

          • Robert Hart

            January 27, 2014 at 16:53

            As much as we absolutely hate racism, I dont think the DGL can afford to become the SA gaming police. The DGL is run by three people (myself included) and we have our hands full as it is just keeping this huge ship on course.

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            January 27, 2014 at 16:56

            Fair enough. I understand that. Especially since there are only three of you. But damn… someone has to make a stand somewhere. If not you, then who? 🙁

      • Ultimo_Cleric N7

        January 27, 2014 at 13:46

        Name and shame. And I really dont care who was playing on the account (even though I have never met someone who would let another person use their’s)……WHAT KIND OF A NAME IS RAPINGNINJA ?!?!?

        Reply

        • SheHulkNigri

          January 27, 2014 at 14:58

          You know? I was just thinking that exact same thing…

          Reply

  24. Mark Vincer

    January 27, 2014 at 13:26

    If you want to be racist in a game, go choose Terran and take out your xenophobia there

    Reply

  25. Jonah Cash

    January 27, 2014 at 13:26

    I have had a few racist comments thrown my way when I still played Fifa on Xbox 360… You see I used the SA flag as my country and idiots from different european and even American countries used to be pretty racist… But I soon got them pegged back by inferring they live with their parents in their basements…

    Reply

  26. Alien Emperor Trevor

    January 27, 2014 at 13:28

    Wow. “I’d rather play with a good racist than a noob who isn’t.” Just… wow.

    Reply

    • Hammersteyn

      January 27, 2014 at 13:37

      Ignorant pig.

      Reply

    • Mark Vincer

      January 27, 2014 at 13:37

      You ever wish you could strangle someone with a network cable and get away with it? Not that you could…stupid wireless internet.

      Reply

    • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

      January 27, 2014 at 16:16

      The comments of a child with little insight into the nature of cruelty unleashed upon innocent human beings in the name of racial supremacy. How quickly we forget the past. How quickly we wilfully choose to ignore it.

      Reply

  27. Hammersteyn

    January 27, 2014 at 13:36

    My gripe is you can ban and shame players, but using language like this should land a person in hot water with the justice system. If I called a person that on the street I would be locked up but on the internet it’s too easy to hide.

    Reply

    • Jean Jordaan

      January 27, 2014 at 14:48

      My thoughts exactly. Publicly using racist terms like that is actually a criminal offence. Prison time of up to 3 years.

      Reply

  28. VampyricSquirrel Monk

    January 27, 2014 at 13:38

    I personally don’t get the racist thing, at all… who cares about what shade of purple your skin is? Really, these people in life, on games, social networks, etc. need to grow up, grow brains, and see the light!!

    Or at least wake up, smell the coffee, and shut the hell up.

    Reply

    • TiMsTeR1033

      January 27, 2014 at 13:41

      Exactly.. some many idiots out there who just can’t see the light…

      Reply

  29. SauRoN

    January 27, 2014 at 13:39

    That is shocking.

    I’m proud to say our clan is as racially diverse as you can possibly get, but that might also be the base of the problem here in that so many clans are single-race only which further extrapolates this problem.

    I think it’s often a case of it being okay at home, so then it must be okay everywhere else.

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  30. Ultimo_Cleric N7

    January 27, 2014 at 13:43

    This is disgusting. My damn.
    I dont care what your belief system is. Be it a racist view, religous one, sexist etc……. Anything that codones hatred against another human being is wrong. THE END.
    I would rather play with a complete N00b thats a nice person than an assclown who is good at the game. I would rather have fun, and as soon as fun goes out the window, gaming is a pointless exercise that is nothing more than a waste of time.

    Reply

  31. oVg 60fps > 30fps

    January 27, 2014 at 13:59

    Meanwhile in the most civilized country in the world, England is kicking the shit out of people with red hair.

    Reply

    • RinceThis2014

      January 27, 2014 at 14:15

      Preach it brother. 5 of these posters are up on my office walls…

      Reply

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        January 27, 2014 at 14:54

        You know what you should also do? Hang up some kind of mistletoe substitute – like a carrot or something. trollol!

        Reply

        • RinceThis2014

          January 27, 2014 at 14:58

          HAHAH! Nice. I’ve literally been mobbed by 3 colleagues (women).

          Reply

      • ToshZA

        January 27, 2014 at 16:44

        https://www.facebook.com/icollectgingers?ref=profile

        Best facebook page ever. Yes, I’ve “liked” it. Too cool!

        Reply

  32. fred

    January 27, 2014 at 14:01

    Racism … ain’t nobody got time for that!

    Reply

  33. Shard

    January 27, 2014 at 14:15

    “Daniel Grobbelaar The previous comments are tl;dr.
    I have played with GolFie before. He is good and works well with his team. He does his job and he doesn’t complain.
    That’s all that matters to me. I’d rather play with a good racist than a noob who isn’t.”

    lol… this is GolFie

    Reply

  34. Clint Fitzgerald

    January 27, 2014 at 14:49

    At least online nobody is having to deal with being robbed, raped and murdered like happens everyday where colored people are.
    Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white.

    Reply

    • Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

      January 27, 2014 at 15:08

      I can not even begin to comprehend the stupid you’ve just unleashed with your fingers.

      Reply

      • Unavengedavo

        January 27, 2014 at 15:15

        Neither can he

        Reply

    • Her Highness the Hipster

      January 27, 2014 at 15:11

      Shame, are you a lost troll? Here, let me send you back home: http://www.news24.com/

      Reply

      • RinceThis2014

        January 27, 2014 at 15:15

        LOL. Shame, obviously has brain damage.

        Reply

      • Hammersteyn

        January 28, 2014 at 14:43

        Bwahaha

        Reply

    • Rags

      January 27, 2014 at 15:15

      Hahah, this is why I support free speech including racism. Or gems like these will be lost. Sometimes what someone has to say is self discrediting, all you need do is underline it. Case in point. 🙂

      Reply

    • Weanerdog

      January 27, 2014 at 15:16

      Most serial killer and mass murderers are white though. #justsaying

      Reply

    • Gareth L (That Guy)

      January 27, 2014 at 15:21

      I’ve read that comment about 8 times, and it doesn’t make sense.

      Who are you blaming or supporting? Codeword? What is “racism” in your mind, man? I think that we’re on different pages here.

      Reply

      • Gavin Mannion

        January 27, 2014 at 15:26

        I think we’re on different planets to be fair

        Reply

    • Aussious

      January 31, 2014 at 17:28

      Well this train is never late… I suppose being stupid is like being dead, everybody else feels it and knows it accept the individual in question.

      Reply

  35. Wyzak

    January 27, 2014 at 14:52

    dota. nuff said 😀

    Reply

    • ToshZA

      January 27, 2014 at 16:35

      It’s not just in Dota – racism is rampant in this country. It needs to be stopped.

      Reply

      • Wyzak

        January 27, 2014 at 17:08

        I agree, but like most people out there will tell you the Dota community is as toxic as it gets.

        Reply

        • ToshZA

          January 27, 2014 at 17:09

          Have you played much WoW? Because that’s just as bad. Apparently LoL is worse too, I play Dota with people who left LoL because of just how bad it is.

          It’s not just Dota.

          Reply

          • Wyzak

            January 27, 2014 at 20:42

            I played WoW back in it’s glory days and it wasn’t anything like Dota. I’ve played hundreds of hours of dota from when it was still a beta and took 15 minutes to load until the community became so toxic that I couldn’t be bothered anymore.

            LoL = dota, it’s the same concept, has the same issues.

  36. noxville

    January 27, 2014 at 14:53

    Hey, I’d just like to point out a few things.

    I kick or ban about 10 people a week, often a few of these are for racism/sexism (always bans) – which is totally unacceptable behaviour on a community page.

    I’m an admin of the Dota 2 SA group, but I not the original creator. I was added to moderate discussions, remove off-topic material (specifically memes) and so on, with the specific goal of enticing engaging and relevant material. After seeing Strider’s post, I messaged him saying that it’s not something that is normally we have on the page, but I was perfectly okay with it, as it’s a very serious issue (I may have even pinned the post, I can’t recall). Jon (the founder of the page) overruled my decision and decided to remove the original posts, and all the subsequent posts complaining about the removal of the original one. This was his decision, and was obviously contrary to mine. I would suggest you chat to him about it. I invited everyone he removed back to the group the following day (some declined in order to boycott the group), but I did suggest that if they repost complaints about the issue, Jon might ban them again. This might be somewhat verbose, but I think it has to be so as to refute any comments above such as “nothing is being done by people in power or the community to make change”. I, personally, would really like measures proposed by Rob Clegg above in that racist peoplein-game are banned from playing in the DGL (and any other tournament that wishes to subscribe to the concept).

    Whilst I’m not condoning racism at all here, I might suggest that if someone is racist to you in a game, you mute them, report them for text/voice abuse, encourage others to do the same, and continue your game. People are dicks, especially on the internet.

    Final point. Gavin, why don’t you phone the parents of the two people who were accused of racism and ask them what they think about the issue?

    Cheers.

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      January 27, 2014 at 15:12

      Thanks for the post… You make some good points and as for phoning.

      I don’t have their numbers 🙂

      Reply

      • noxville

        January 27, 2014 at 15:20

        Maybe you could get a next-of-kin number from OC (Organized Chaos), or Stellenbosch University, or Hoerskool Tygerberg for Daniel “Golfie” Fourie?

        Reply

        • Guest

          January 27, 2014 at 15:21

          • Gavin Mannion

            January 27, 2014 at 15:59

            Wow you have to fear the internet detectives

        • noxville

          January 27, 2014 at 15:21

        • Rags

          January 27, 2014 at 15:24

          Seriously? You would violate their right to privacy to make a point? You could have worked for Saddam’s secret police.

          Reply

          • noxville

            January 27, 2014 at 15:40

            Privacy? These are publicly shared photo’s and information on his Facebook profile.

          • Rags

            January 27, 2014 at 15:49

            “Maybe you could get a next-of-kin number from OC (Organized Chaos), or Stellenbosch University, or Hoerskool Tygerberg for Daniel “Golfie” Fourie?”

            Violating the privacy policies of these organistations and institutions to solicit not their information but that of his parents. If I was a parent I’d rain a shitstorm down on you, the organisation that gave you the information, nevermind what my kid said.

            It is poor etiquette that registration number may belong to someone else in 2 months. Not much better than the racist comments you deem offensive.

            In fact when you first mentioned phoning the parents I thought you where joking. I don’t see how you can be fit for an admin position if this is how you approach things.

          • noxville

            January 27, 2014 at 16:09

            Lazygamer, as an independent news organization is well within their rights to request a contact number for his home phone number (so as to give him a right of reply). These organizations are well within their rights to decline their request (depending on what their privacy policies may be).

            By the way, I’m not accusing Daniel of being a racist, I’m just suggesting that you phone him (and his parents) as he’s accused in the provided links above ^

          • Rags

            January 27, 2014 at 16:26

            You are not following are you? You wanted the parents contact information not his to “ask them what they think about the issue” not “so as to give him a right of reply”.

            Do you want the parents to give them a spanking even when they are adults themselves?! Why involve the parents? Got farkall to do with them.

          • noxville

            January 27, 2014 at 16:40

            If the person accused confirms it was him, I don’t think it’s completely unreasonable to want to ask his friends/family for an interview. Why not?

          • Rags

            January 27, 2014 at 16:54

            Because it is potentially patronising, inappropriate, vindictive and slanderous? But lets not shift goal posts here. You wanted to solicit private information through respected institutions, not of the accused but of the next of kin or parents.

            Then you posted the pictures of the car below, essentially a doc drop to get information through his registration plate. Sure that may be public information, its still bad form and irresponsible, on the same level as his alleged racist remarks.

            That is overstepping your responsibility as an admin imo.

          • noxville

            January 27, 2014 at 17:25

            It’s definitely not slanderous, if anything you mean libelous.

            Look, I get your point. I agree with you on the subpoint in that all I’ve just posted is public information about him, and sure there might be privacy policies that these organizations have to prevent them sharing contact information for him/his family – that is a decision for each of them (each individual organisation) to make, and if the person feels that there was a privacy breach, that’ll be an issue between that individual organisation and the person named.

            I think, in either case (and this is really just reiterating what I said above), LG should ask him for a comment/right of reply; and then see what that takes them. If he outright denies the claim, or provides evidence completely vindicating himself, then obviously that should be the end of it. If he does not deny the claim, I don’t think it’s completely unreasonable to ask his parents something along the lines of “your son has been accused of racism on the internet, and there is proof of this, what is your opinion on the issue?”. That’s not really vindictive nor patronising at all.

            There’s still no indication that he’s even seen the article, and hence unable to make a reply.

            My request of suggesting it to Gavin wasn’t made under the pretense of an admin (as the one paragraph was my opinion/story of the situation as an admin, the remaining points were clearly separate both in content and in formatting to illustrate that they were my person opinion, and were within the context of just another reader of LG). My responsibility as an admin really is completely unrelated to the posts I make (as a private individual) when reading a news article.

            I’m a little bit sorry that you find my suggestion irresponsible, maybe Gavin won’t do it given the points you’ve raised (it was just a suggestion after all).

            EDIT: Grammar.

          • Noxville2

            January 27, 2014 at 16:19

            sien jou by die volgende OC boet 🙂

          • noxville

            January 27, 2014 at 16:20

            Ok!

          • neph

            January 27, 2014 at 16:50

            Maybe Danie would like to speak to Ben’s paerents as well https://www.facebook.com/Noxville?fref=ts. This is just fair I think.

          • noxville

            January 27, 2014 at 16:54

            If I’m ever accused of racism, and then that accusation is proven true (on some independent news site), I’m sure many readers would love to hear what my parents think of the issue.

          • boxville

            January 27, 2014 at 17:07

            That is if you didn’t eat them.

          • noxville

            January 27, 2014 at 17:35

            That’s quite rude 🙁

          • Gavin Mannion

            January 27, 2014 at 17:44

            now now children… let’s keep the abuse on Facebook and not muddy this area else I will start deleting comments…

            Abuse the article and me as much as you like but the commetns on here are not intended for personal abuse

          • leon roode

            January 27, 2014 at 18:48

            amen dude!! big privacy violation

        • leon roode

          January 27, 2014 at 18:49

          do not put on shit about my friend if u not prepared to live with the consequences.. no im not saying im mafia and ima fck up your family or any that big talk.. all im saying is you violated the law by putting his license plate on the inet (even if it was a repost from his own fb).. if you have a problem with this why not sort it out with him?? all i see is a bunch off pussies hiding behind their pc’s giving him kak but will never give him kak in person..the same goes for neph.. what exactly are you trying to do?? – give somebody else his details because you are a pussy and won’t confront him yourself?? if not please give me a reasonable explanation why you released his private info???

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          • iron_dinges

            January 27, 2014 at 18:59

            Noxville isn’t exactly hiding behind his PC being a keyboard warrior. He’s more or less a public figure in these circles, you don’t need to be a hacker or in a mafia to track him down.

          • Brian Murphy

            January 27, 2014 at 19:01

            Blah

          • noxville

            January 27, 2014 at 19:06

            I’m providing publicly available information on a person accused of racism, so that he has a right of reply to the claims against him. If the claims against him are true, then I do have a problem with him – but so do many other people.

          • Rags

            January 27, 2014 at 19:50

            If someone is an ass online, its open season to be an ass to him and his family 😉 That’s the reasoning behind some people here. ‘In the spirit of public interest’ and all that.

    • Unavengedavo

      January 27, 2014 at 15:25

      Most of the time kids learn their racism from their parents, some chose to go against it and other just follow blindly. Phoning their parents would not help because they would most likely condone such behaviour.

      It’s truly sad that in today’s age you still have people who are just blindly racist.

      Reply

  37. Jarrod Lane

    January 27, 2014 at 14:53

    There is a name and shame group on FB for local Xbox users as well. Use it, don’t use it… https://www.facebook.com/groups/287844744647020/

    Reply

  38. Makes

    January 27, 2014 at 16:03

    I experience at least 1 racial remark or statement made towards me or one of my team mates per week. Most of the time I get called a K****r or coloured or something it those lines. I also get told why do coloured and k****s have internet access and have had even worst remarks made to me or one of my teamies. There is still way to much rascism boiling in the bellies of a few idiots and it has ruined my online gaming experience (only Dota).

    I now don’t play local Dota servers and got more into Starcaft 2. It also makes it impossible to prepare for big leagues like the DGL as it is not really enjoyable playing on SA Dota servers, almost like a Russian Roulette thing going on. Always hoping not to get that i-rate racist punk on your team.

    For now Europe servers just has to quench my thirst for online gaming. I hope things turn out better but from what I’ve noticed it is just getting worse. Thanks to the few that are taking a stand against this nasty plague that is destroying Our Online Gaming Community. Peace

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  39. Zealot

    January 27, 2014 at 16:05

    That is why I started this: A name and shame SA racists.

    http://www.yialife.co.za/2013/12/sa-gaming-racists-name-shame/

    email me your screenshots: zealothill@yialife.co.za

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      January 27, 2014 at 16:53

      That is awesome.. will do an article on it tomorrow….

      Reply

      • Zealot

        January 27, 2014 at 17:31

        DGL retweet this list before so I know they are aware of the guys on this list. I am keen to work together on combating racism in online community. I am in an interracial marriage and I cannot stand that this still happens 20 years into democracy :/

        Nice article Gavin. Please keep me in mind for collaborating against this sort of thing.

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    • iron_dinges

      January 27, 2014 at 17:34

      I feel this is going to go the same way as it was handled at Twilight Gaming – with racism being purely defined as the use of the n-word or the k-word. In my opinion, most cases of that (as in the screenshots on your site) aren’t really cases of racism, but rather of name-calling.
      There is of course plenty of racism in online gaming, but defining it purely as the use of either of those words is silly.

      Reply

      • Zealot

        January 27, 2014 at 17:40

        There are plenty of other words to jump to when you desire to insult someone i.e “Dumbass” or “Douchebag”, to make words like N***** and K***** the first port of call in dishing out insults speaks of a deeper and very insidious hatred. These words are deliberately chosen because in the mind of the person using them they are associated for them with very negative sentiment. It is inescapable, inexcusable and downright disgusting.

        Reply

      • Brian Murphy

        January 27, 2014 at 18:29

        The N word and the K word are persona non grata on any server I have authority on. I don’t care what your race is, they’re words of hate, and have no business in any public dialogue.

        If you’re so uneducated, that you cannot come up with better insults than racial slurs, your time could probably be better spent reading a book. Making excuses for these people is to condone their behavior.

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        • iron_dinges

          January 27, 2014 at 18:38

          So you’re grouping me with them because I don’t want to join the witch hunt? Cute.

          Maybe it’s just difficult for me to understand, because when someone calls me a “boer”, I simply ignore it and move on with my life.

          I do agree people that use these words have a problem with creativity (as do people that use the f-word for anything and everything), but as the recipient of a word, you really don’t need to let it get to you.

          Reply

          • Brian Murphy

            January 27, 2014 at 18:42

            Acceptance and tolerance is no better than doing it yourself. I wasn’t actually grouping you in with them at all, but if you want me to, I’m happy to oblige.

          • iron_dinges

            January 27, 2014 at 19:03

            My apologies if I misinterpreted the tone of your post.

            It’s not that I accept or tolerate it – those words imply a positive association, which I do not have in this matter.

            The word I’d use is indifference. Punishing someone for their thoughts is simply wrong, in my opinion.

          • Brian Murphy

            January 27, 2014 at 19:06

            Thought isn’t being punished, putting voice to those thoughts in a public forum however, is. Everyone who isn’t in grade school knows the general rules of public discourse, and chief amongst the no-no’s, is racist diatribes.

            If we were talking about putting wires in peoples brains and shocking them everytime they had a racist thought, that’s one thing. However, by speaking their ignorance they invite the public to respond.

            That’s what you’re seeing here.

          • iron_dinges

            January 27, 2014 at 19:14

            I thought I was seeing a screenshot of a game with 10 participants, thereby making it public.

            If the matter is that we should follow social norms in public discussion – definitely, no arguments there.

          • Brian Murphy

            January 27, 2014 at 19:22

            I’m not sure if you’re saying that the 10 participants isn’t public, or not. But, I’m responding as if you were (saying it’s private)..

            Here’s the thing, when you invite multiple people, or join into a group with multiple people (never mind if they’re streaming), you’d best make DAMN sure every single one of them has your same mindset, before unleashing shit like this (clearly not the case).

            It’s very well known that people behave differently when they’re alone, or with their friends, than they do when in a setting where more people (or, for example, when you’re with your GF…there’s simply things you know that she isn’t going to be thrilled hearing/seeing, that your best buddies find amusing) could potentially see/hear what they’re saying. That this guy isn’t intelligent enough to identify the difference, is why he’s in the situation he’s in.

          • iron_dinges

            January 27, 2014 at 19:44

            Racial name-calling is extremely common in online games. This article has more to do with this guy’s being in the wrong place at the wrong time than it does his intelligence.

          • Brian Murphy

            January 27, 2014 at 19:53

            I disagree, I play online constantly, and never once have I even thought to use a racial slur as my go-to zinger. Then again, I’ve read many many books in my day, so my library of insults is overflowing with material.

  40. ToshZA

    January 27, 2014 at 16:31

    I’ve not personally experienced any racism in Dota, but its by no small measure still a real problem everywhere in this country. quick 20 minute read through any Apartheid history should tell you all you need to know – racism is complete & utter bullshit, and should not be tolerated by anyone, for any reason.

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  41. Firebunny :D

    January 27, 2014 at 17:09

    No one was saying that racism should be accepted. The post got removed because it was irrelevant and a massive rage-post

    Reply

  42. Kromas

    January 27, 2014 at 17:47

    Facebook is evil and Dota is sorta Evil too.Join the Lazygamer steam group for wholesome non racial fun.

    Reply

  43. Gideon Venter

    January 27, 2014 at 18:05

    The problem is anonymity. If you wanna eliminate (or at least severely lessen) this kind of behaviour, force online multiplayer accounts to be linked to a real name and profile.

    I don’t know how you would do such a thing though. FICA them, maybe.

    Reply

    • iron_dinges

      January 27, 2014 at 18:34

      It’s easy enough to create a fake “person” on e.g. Facebook. Requiring an ID number for a gaming account? That’s going to severely affect the number of players.

      At the end of the day, it’s going to be like copyright protection tech: all it does is inconvenience those that play by the rules.

      Reply

      • Gideon Venter

        January 27, 2014 at 20:07

        I agree. It isn’t feasible. But it would solve the problem. Unfortunately, most people are terrible, and ruin it for everyone.

        Reply

        • Buthelezi

          January 28, 2014 at 10:20

          It wouldn’t solve the problem. If you followed what happened on the dota1 server when they tried to enforce this, they started banning people for saying “kaffir”, then kaffer, kaf, k4f, k4, and then “the darkest caves are most dangerous”. And then arguments over whether ‘boer’ was racist. And what defines a racist word.

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          • Gideon Venter

            January 28, 2014 at 10:22

            They actually verified your identity and linked your game profile to a real one? How?

          • iron_dinges

            January 28, 2014 at 10:24

            Yep, people will always find a way around censorship. They will find ways around account and IP bans.

            On the receiving end, the best thing to do is report and ignore, and don’t let it get to you.

  44. ThisGuy

    January 27, 2014 at 18:07

    I don’t want to sound like I’m backing the racist or anything, but your post is going to cause a witch hunt, you should probably remove the names 😮

    Reply

    • Brian Murphy

      January 27, 2014 at 18:26

      If anything, he should add addresses and phone numbers. These people should have no peace of mind, anywhere. You want to let the world in on your sick bullshit, so be it. There are _plenty_ of people out there, willing to respond.

      This isn’t a witch hunt, this is more like the women who were the targets of ridiculous religiously driven fears, finally getting some justice.

      Reply

      • iron_dinges

        January 27, 2014 at 18:32

        Witch hunts and kangaroo courts are okay when it comes to racism?

        A witch hunt is exactly what you get when you post all the details, except for the part where the gaming society in general doesn’t care much about this.

        Reply

        • Brian Murphy

          January 27, 2014 at 18:41

          Clearly, more people care about this than you perceive, since this is an active thread with numerous people with passionate responses to the issue.

          Again, it’s not a witch hunt. This is the exact opposite, where justice is finally served. Never tolerate the intolerant, for you are giving them something they would never afford you.

          The world would be far better off, if every single one of them were dead, and hopefully that happens through old age, but I have no problem with other methods either, since racism is taught, you’re never born with it. If they all die of old age, it means they have a chance to procreate and teach their offspring their lunacy.

          Reply

          • iron_dinges

            January 27, 2014 at 18:58

            Racism (or rather discrimination in general) is not just taught by our peers, but also our experiences. It’s a survival tool that taught our ancestors that no, wolves are not good friends, because they will attack and eat you. A wolf is of course an extremely stretched comparison to someone from our species that looks different, but it’s the same, HUMAN, mental process.

            As long as fools like Jacob Zuma drive our country into the ground, racism is quite capable of making a natural comeback. It’s how our minds work.

            Racists are just unenlightened people that can be taught the error of their ways, so calling for their death is extremely harsh. You’re putting them on the same level as murderers and rapists – for their thoughts and words.

            Racism will only end when all races have equal representation in all social, cultural, industrial, etc. structures.

          • Brian Murphy

            January 27, 2014 at 18:59

            A wolf is not a race, it’s a specie. Incorrect analogy.

          • iron_dinges

            January 27, 2014 at 19:13

            Fair enough, but I doubt I can make a simpler analogy. The point is that if we see a common property in many objects or people that look similar, we tend to assign that property to all objects or people that appear like that, ignoring the lack of evidence that this particular object or person has that property.

            If 90 out of a hundred black people you encounter are uneducated (due to the unfortunate circumstances in this country), you can quite accurately anticipate that a new black person you encounter might not be able to read or write. That’s just how our minds work.

          • Aussious

            January 31, 2014 at 17:45

            People are far from being mere objects humanity is far too complex to fit within the parameters of you analogy, classifying people according to your assumptions or perceived notions is the origin of unfair discrimination and bias based on ignorance.

          • Buthelezi

            January 27, 2014 at 19:44

            it was a metaphor for black people.

          • iron_dinges

            January 27, 2014 at 19:45

            *Sigh*

          • Brian Murphy

            January 27, 2014 at 20:07

            I understood that you were attempting to make an analogy to sum up the situation, that related to the evolution of man. It’s alright.

            However, back then, we were all pretty much the same color. So, there was nothing separating each other except, most likely, language, and belief systems.

          • Brian Murphy

            January 27, 2014 at 19:16

            They are on the same level of murderer’s and rapists in my mind. Because such an act is more capable to people such as these. Murder is easy when you think the lifeform you’re killing is below you in some way or another.

            Think about all the race atrocities visited upon people in the past, many of them were butchered because they were considered of inferior blood line. Hell, millions died in WW2 for this very reason.

          • Rags

            January 27, 2014 at 19:53

            Are you for real a racist on the same level as a murder even though a person has commit no crime apart from thought and expressing his views. Have you lost your mind?

          • Brian Murphy

            January 27, 2014 at 19:58

            Yeah, Hitler was just a guy, until he started gassing a shitload of jews, gypsies, blacks and so on. There’s a reason people of darker skin color disappeared from Germany during WW2, that’s because they were sterilized and exterminated.

            They are just as bad, because their words can be used to whip up crowds of equally dim minded individuals to commit atrocities in the name of a superior race, religion or ethnicity.

          • Rags

            January 27, 2014 at 20:02

            Are so so dumb? A racist calls someone an offensive name on the interwebs and he on the same level as fucking murderer? Hitler was a genocidal bastard, not a everyday racist who expresses an unwelcome thought now and then and never does anyone any harm.

            Can’t believe I had to point out the obvious polar opposite differences of these two.

          • Buthelezi

            January 27, 2014 at 19:43

            you cant teach a racist any more than you can teach white people to support zuma.

            BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EQUALITY AND JUSTICE

          • Rags

            January 27, 2014 at 20:03

            “Never tolerate the intolerant.”
            Says he who does not tolerate freedom of speech. Perhaps you should take a leaf from your own country on how to do it right.

            “The world would be far better off, if every single one of them were dead, and hopefully that happens through old age, but I have no problem with other methods either.”

            Wow, that’s like next level Saddam shit right there.

          • Brian Murphy

            January 27, 2014 at 20:12

            Be glad I’m not in charge then 🙂

            And you’re comparisons to Saddam Hussein really show how ignorant you are of the topic at hand. But that’s ok, you’re entitled to making completely ridiculous comparisons that have absolutely no relation to each other whatsoever.

            For the record, Saddam gassed Kurds, because:

            A) Ronald Reagan gave him the military firepower to do so
            B) Since the drawing of the borders in the Middle East, the Kurds were simply forgotten and existed in lands of Iran, Turkey and Iraq. The Kurds wanted their own country, or in the VERY least, an autonomous Government, controlled by their own people, answerable to neither Turkey, Iran or Iraq. Clearly, the meddling of the West into the border lines of the Middle East, has been a detriment for a very, very long time.

            Star Wipe: The more you know

          • Rags

            January 27, 2014 at 20:15

            Tell me something I don’t know. I’ve been a Free Kurdistan supporter now for ~10 years. But anyway.

          • Brian Murphy

            January 27, 2014 at 20:17

            Yeah, sure you have. Which is why you compared someone who despises hate speech, to Saddam Hussein. Great way to marginalize the plight of the Kurds.

          • Rags

            January 27, 2014 at 20:21

            I am referring to “The world would be far better off, if every single one of them were dead, and hopefully that happens through old age, but I have no problem with other methods either

            Like hmm, maybe gassing, chemical weapons? You don’t despise hate speech you despise free speech. If you where in charge you would probably add criticism of yourself as hatespeech and like fucking Saddam have the secret police bring you and your family in and have you shot in the public square.

          • Brian Murphy

            January 27, 2014 at 20:31

            Well, if they all went to one place, sure I suppose, I wouldn’t do it myself because the likelihood for collateral damage is simply too high (ergo, I wouldn’t want to harm people who deserve the life they have). The comparison is still frail at best, since Saddam Hussein had an entirely different purpose for his actions. He was also propped up by Reagan, his political party, and a military, which I am not.

            If you’re a person who can live next to someone who is different than you in any way shape or form, we have no problems. If you’re someone who thinks you’re better than them, because of an aforementioned difference, and somehow thinks it’s ok to use racial slurs in everyday discourse, I could care less if you die.

            Never said I was tolerant of everyone, I said I tolerate everyone but the intolerant, whether they believe what I do, value what I do, think like I do, love like I do, procreate like I do, or look like I do, is of no concern to me, because the aforementioned differences have little to no effect on my life.

            But, racists hatemongers, who openly profess such things in public, yeah, your life is meaningless to me.

          • Rags

            January 27, 2014 at 20:36

            Then I’ll gladly leave this discussion right there. Open for everyone to see. It also arrives us with the perhaps unsurprising suggestion that it’s not only racists who can be genocidal bastards. Even namby pamby ‘cultural sensitive’ types.

          • Brian Murphy

            January 27, 2014 at 20:37

            Fair enough, it’s ok that people disagree with me. Not everyone has to be the same person.

            But, until we take a firm stand against it, racism and other dark parts of humanity will always be a problem, holding us all back.

        • Tauriq Moosa

          January 28, 2014 at 16:12

    • Gavin Mannion

      January 27, 2014 at 18:27

      The names are the reason for the post. Name and shame the bad offenders to help clean up the community and it’s working

      Reply

      • Minnion se poes

        January 27, 2014 at 21:49

        Yes so much work,wow,such article, much facts. You just like blacks, admit it.

        Reply

        • Gavin Mannion

          January 27, 2014 at 22:00

          erm okay.. I like black people… well as much as I like whites or asians.. In general I really dislike people and comments like this just reinforce my prejudice

          Reply

          • Buthelezi

            January 28, 2014 at 10:17

            Sure you’re welcome to dislike whomever you please, but disliking me because I exercise the very same freedom to dislike strikes me as rather ironic. But to hold prejudice over the internet for someone you dont even know, because they defended a view they may not necessarily subscribe to, tops it.

          • Tauriq Moosa

            January 28, 2014 at 15:03

            Ha! You’ve been caught by “Minnion se poes” in his/her clever trap! You like black people! Er… Wait, now what?

        • Buthelezi

          January 28, 2014 at 00:24

          There’s nothing wrong with not liking black people. That’s your freedom of conscience/belief, or rather what people call their preference. It crosses the line when people think that’s their freedom of speech, because the second you start sharing your personal hatreds, then you become the racist that must be taken to a field and put down by potm

          Reply

        • Tauriq Moosa

          January 28, 2014 at 15:04

          Did you put a typo in your name which is an attempted insult? “Minnion”? Do you mean Mannion?

          Reply

      • ThisGuy

        January 27, 2014 at 22:04

        Could just as well remove them without naming them, just a thought, I mean if those guys get hurt IRL by someone (not saying they will, it is the gaming community after all) But that would basically be on your head for starting it. I’m pretty sure they(the offenders) would know who you were talking about anyway without putting their names there. Just food for thought, not trying to run gaming in SA or anything xD

        Reply

  45. Buthelezi

    January 27, 2014 at 19:30

    Get real it’s not like there’s any black people in the game 98% of the time. (on a side note, more than half of racist incidents have been caused by the boers)

    Be practical, forget your ANC-brainwashed mindsets and see the actual problem is not racism, but xenophobia. How you openly criticise and demean Russians and Peruvians, who ARE actually playing in game. Things like these that cause wars.

    Even if you condemn it it isn’t going away because it’s too easy to type kaffer. So instead of fighting a word like twilight inbreds, fight the attitude that surrounds and the perceptions people seem to take for granted.

    ~Butz

    Reply

    • Spathi

      January 27, 2014 at 21:45

      Oh the irony…

      Reply

    • Tauriq Moosa

      January 28, 2014 at 15:02

      >> “Get real it’s not like there’s any black people in the game 98% of the time.”

      Citation needed. And absence of a target group doesn’t mean you aren’t being a bigot.

      >> “forget your ANC-brainwashed mindsets”

      Who said anything about ANC?

      >> “see the actual problem is not racism, but xenophobia.”

      Eh?

      >> “How you openly criticise and demean Russians and Peruvians, who ARE actually playing in game. Things like these that cause wars.”

      What? But this case is dealing with racism. We can talk about xenophobia, too, but that’s not the focus now. And wars? Wow.

      >> “Even if you condemn it it isn’t going away because it’s too easy to type kaffer.”

      So we should do,.. nothing? OK.

      >> ” So instead of fighting a word like twilight inbreds”

      I thought we were fighting xenophobia or something? When did we fight words. And what are Twilight inbreds? Do they dislike words?

      >> “fight the attitude that surrounds and the perceptions people seem to take for granted.”

      Quoting Gavin from the article: “you as a community need to stop this being accepted. By ignoring it or accepting it you are being tarred with the same brush”

      I’m not sure who you’re addressing.

      Reply

      • Buthelezi

        January 29, 2014 at 00:27

        1. Cheap try but you know its true. If you want stats, consider the dota2 facebook group as a reasonable sample of the local dota2 population, and as you can see they are 98% white (go count pls).
        2. I never proposed the demographic as a defence of me being a bigot. The point is that for racism to occur there have to be people being discriminated against, and there are no black people. What you have here are racial slurs and behaviours, not racism.
        3. Do you think anyone would care about racism everywhere if it was not made propaganda by the ANC? Homophobia is equally vicious bigotry but no one’s crying there. Only because its SA is everyone so sensitive.
        4. Clearly you missed my distinction between tabooed behaviour (“racism” you say) and accepted attitudes (xenophobia I say). No one is supporting racism, just squealing about how to stop it. WHereas no one minds hating and judging Russians and Peruvians. So xenophobia is the real problem, a bigger one, and one more solvable.
        5. If you were actually part of a gaming community you would know the historical failure of trying to ban racist words as on the dota1 server.
        6. Like I said apart from the actual perpetrators, everyone else does not support it. How exactly do they not accept it? Engage troll wars, shout “NO” over mic, waste reports for game abuse on instances of racism? Reality is there is little you can do to reject it except ignore that person. Otherwise you are just preaching to the choir to tell their brothers not to use bad words

        its your people and aggressive behaviours that are what make the community sour

        Reply

    • Aussious

      January 31, 2014 at 17:55

      What you just said makes no sense!

      Reply

  46. Manky

    January 28, 2014 at 05:59

    So if I prefer my own race over others and rather stick with my own but don’t promote hate speach or racial slurs, does that still make me a racist? Or is it the same as preferring dogs over cats, snakes over spiders, tigers over monkeys, fruit over vegetables?

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      January 28, 2014 at 06:25

      Yes it makes you a racist but it’s a free country and you can do as you want. It’s the promotion of those feelings that crosses the line.

      Once you start saying you prefer your own race you are admitting that you immediately judge someone by the colour of their skin or ethnic background and that is what makes you a racst.

      Reply

      • Buthelezi

        January 28, 2014 at 10:14

        wat?

        There’s a difference between fair and unfair, positive and negative discrimination. Everyone discriminates, which means to tell the difference.

        Doesnt make me racist if I dont want a coloured girlfriend, because i’m entitled to my preference so discrimination is fair. Even if my reason is because coloureds are dangerous, unless I make that belief known my behaviour is not racist.

        I would say racism is defined by action upon belief not belief alone, because face it sometimes a certain group of people/race/culture/sexuality can be intolerable, but if you keep those feelings to URself it’s not a problem.

        No-one defends people using this word and no association condones racist policies, so this problem is as big as people swearing to minors. Story is different when people openly attack homo’s and dont see a problem tuning others fags.

        Reply

        • Tauriq Moosa

          January 28, 2014 at 14:58

          >> “Even if my reason is because coloureds are dangerous, unless I make that belief known my behaviour is not racist.”

          Belief and behaviour can independently be racist. You can never act racist, but hold racist beliefs, like all (?) coloureds are dangerous.

          >> |I would say racism is defined by action upon belief not belief alone”

          Racist actions and racist beliefs. Two different things that exist.

          >> “because face it sometimes a certain group of people/race/culture/sexuality can be intolerable, but if you keep those feelings to URself it’s not a problem.”

          I’m not sure how an entire race can be intolerable, nor an entire group who hold a certain “sexuality”. That is a broad, unnecessary prejudice. That doesn’t mean individuals who are a certain race, sexuality, etc., can’t be intolerable, but unless you can show that’s linked to their skin colour, you are making a, for example, racist claim.

          Don’t need to act on something for you to hold a bigoted belief.

          >> “Story is different when people openly attack homo’s”

          Do you mean gay people?

          Reply

          • Buthelezi

            January 29, 2014 at 00:39

            a) Beliefs and emotions have no objective existence until acted upon, because existentialism wins. Truth is I’ve loved you since I started reading your post Tauriq, but had I never said anything would any of that emotion have been real? Yes, admission counts as action. Next substitute with hate. Hating a person but never acting/admitting it hardly qualifies as /hating/ that person. Lastly if I despise black people on the inside but treat them with dignity nonetheless, no one can call me racist. Yes, it is possible to act in spite of what one feels to satisfy one’s obligations.
            b) Racist beliefs exist as a concept, but it does not necessarily amount to a racist person not actual racism. I never denied that you can hold a racist belief though, just that doing so doesn’t hurt anyone in itself.
            c) Of course you cant be sure, whats disappointing is you lack imagination. It’s easy to be put off by the sweat smell/skin colour/ethnic hair/facial features characteristic of certain races. But more often than not racism is tied between race, culture and ethnicity. Its not that racists hate an entire race, its that they hate a few and project that to the entire race. Basically how ignorant people make stereotypical judgements.
            d) I wont even start on how easy it is to despise fags, I use the word because I know no one in this community gives 2shits about them. But clearly you and your kind would rather quell about banning people for racist words (NAME+SHAME LOL?) than saying a word against the casual use of ‘gay strat’.

            terrorists

          • Tauriq Moosa

            January 29, 2014 at 10:39

            Actually, I care a great deal about gay people because they’re people… But who cares, amirite? I’m glad you know about how everyone in “this community” feels.

          • Buthelezi

            January 29, 2014 at 16:56

            I said its possible, not that everyone does it. Of course orientation means nothing, but some cant stand it. religion etc

            No one can speak for a community, but you’re not going to tell me you dont often see people use gay/fag as an insult, in the same capacity as using cunt, poes, kaffer, without necessarily holding the associated biggotries.

            Gay are an unrepresented minority like the black people this racism supposedly affects. There’s a difference between caring for gay people and not minding to use slander involving it. IOW you can not be homophobic and call things you dont like ‘gay’. The difference is people are quick to condemn racist words but homophobic words are “not in context”.

            Just admit that word bans and playing name-and-shame will never make the community better.

          • Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

            January 29, 2014 at 10:43

            “I wont even start on how easy it is to despise fags, I use the word because I know no one in this community gives 2shits about them”

            I don’t think you speak for “the community” as you put it. You certainly don;t speak for me, or any of the staff, or most of the readers. What the fuck does a person’s sexual orientation have to do with their likeability?

            Easy to despise fags? Easier to despise close-minded bigots and racists.

      • Manky

        January 28, 2014 at 11:47

        So what is wrong with making a judgement from what you see, hear and/or experience? Whether it is tied to behavior and/or skin color, it doesn’t make a person wrong or evil because they have desided to stick to their own from what they have seen and experienced. It’s called personal preference, it harms absolutely no one if I prefer my own race. The word racist is used so loosely in SA that if you even fart towards the general direction of another race they start puking “racist”, which on the flipside is actually REAL racism. People forget what the term actually means and it is sad that a narrow minded fool like you have fingers to type because you have forgotten it too, maybe never realy even knew.

        Reply

        • Spathi

          January 28, 2014 at 11:58

          Don’t confuse culture (which is NOT race dependent) and race. I prefer my gaming culture and metal culture and beer drinking and braaing culture (not a Blue Bull!!!!), with whomever enjoys the same stuff and culture as I do. If you prefer a race, it means you, without exception, equate certain characteristics to certain races, which is the definition of racism.

          Reply

          • Hammersteyn

            January 28, 2014 at 14:37

            Totally agree except the Blue Bull part.

          • Spathi

            January 28, 2014 at 14:50

            I’m not sure we can be friends then… 😛

          • Hammersteyn

            January 28, 2014 at 14:59

            LOL!

        • Tauriq Moosa

          January 28, 2014 at 14:54

          *Decided.

          How do you “experience” another person’s race? I’m confused.

          >> ” it doesn’t make a person wrong or evil because they have desided [sic] to stick to their own”

          What is your own? And you still need to clarify what you mean by “stick to”.

          Reply

          • Manky

            January 28, 2014 at 15:52

            oh wow, what a surprise, a spell check troll

          • Tauriq Moosa

            January 28, 2014 at 16:10

            Again: well done for replying to my points. Doing well. Name-calling is an art more should emulate in adult discussions.

          • Manky

            January 28, 2014 at 17:50

            no name calling, just stating the obvious

    • Tauriq Moosa

      January 28, 2014 at 14:51

      *Speech

      It depends what you mean by “stick with my own”. Do you mean you would never be friends with a person not of your race? Would never trust him/her, etc.? If so, then yes. If you just mean, you seem to prefer people who look like you, I’m not sure how to respond to that. That could just be description (I just DO have more friends who are my race) or it could be a rule of life (I will only have friends of my race, etc.). The latter is unnecessary prejudice.

      If you’re only determination for assessing someone is their skin-colour, that is, by definition, racist.

      Reply

      • Manky

        January 28, 2014 at 15:53

        oh wow, what a surprise, a spell check troll.. once again

        Reply

        • Tauriq Moosa

          January 28, 2014 at 16:10

          Yeah, it’s not like I said anything else. Well done. Great response.

          Reply

          • Manky

            January 28, 2014 at 18:18

            well when an individual is so pedantic over spelling that they will first point the spelling mistake out as an opening in their opinionated reply and at the same time try and use it as an disguised insult the rest of your reply doesn’t really matter because you have showed me what you really are, your intentions and intellect. BTW… this is 2014 and the internet… welcome… spelling on comment threads mean 0.

            It is really sad that you live with the mindset like you do, if someone doesn’t want to be friends with you because of your race you will label them as a racist. Personnel preference… there’s a difference, but hey It’s not my place to educate you and even if it was I wouldn’t bother to waste all of that energy on you.

            Good luck for when you discover the real world and real life 🙂

          • Buthelezi

            January 29, 2014 at 00:43

            Exactly, troll.

            Your right to association perfectly guarantees you to stick to your own, because although it is positive discrimination it doesn’t unfairly exclude anyone (in your choice of friends). Nothing racist about choosing to only have coloured friends, except in the minds of the ANC-brainwashed generation.

            Of course if you fire someone because they’re Asian or dont let gay people into your bar then you will be taken away.

          • Manky

            January 28, 2014 at 18:42

            …and… surprise surprise… you are still a child, but what really is surprising and very confusing is what the hell are you, male or female???! I just simply cant tell from your pics (*pictures, just in case you don’t know) and it’s so weird, with short hair you look like you could be male but with long hair you look totally female, but a female with no boobs. Just plain odd I say.

  47. puppey

    January 28, 2014 at 08:22

    Raping ninja is a douche

    Reply

    • Buthelezi

      January 29, 2014 at 00:44

      wats interesting is that no one takes an objection to RAPE in a country like SA

      Reply

    • Razer_Smurf

      January 29, 2014 at 18:39

      Let’s all start a list of things that make us cry…

      Reply

  48. LollydaLolDragon

    January 28, 2014 at 09:38

    Yeah.. because a Guy thats named himself RapingNinja is a very nice person… Plus if u put the word SWAG in ur Nick.. well then… Fk this generation.

    Reply

  49. Black_Sage

    January 28, 2014 at 18:08

    I am indifferent against racism in gaming, yes it’s not cool and yes people tend to overreact (like naming and shaming). Regardless, an in-game ban would have solved this issue on the spot instead of making such a huge fuss over it. When did politics merge with gaming? When did the social value of online gaming shift to become so stupid? Racism is a hate-crime and we as South Africa have ALWAYS been so skittish about it, that since 1994 any mention of racism on any platform will immediately make the news. It saddens me that this is the mentality of modern day South Africa, racism overseas will never reach the level of infamy that it has in this country.

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      January 29, 2014 at 08:12

      Yes that’s the hand we’ve been dealt and that is what we have to live with… I’d rather us confront it personally

      Reply

    • Razer_Smurf

      January 29, 2014 at 18:37

      BLACK_SAGE FOR PRESIDENT!

      Reply

  50. Aussious

    January 31, 2014 at 14:10

    I would like to believe that love comes easier to the human heart than hatred, but alas I could be wrong with the kinda attitude ppl have towards each other especially in our country a country where so many sacrificed their lively hoods both black and white (and everything in between) to ensure that future generations could enjoy the fruits of this land in harmony side by side. Truth is for this country to work we ALL need each other, no race in SA can survive on its own in isolation its virtually impossible our society is so intertwined that we have become dependent on each other our way of life depends on this equilibrium. Madiba knew this and his gift to us was a legacy of forgiveness and understanding maybe as nation we are just not mature enough to be worthy of such a gift.

    Reply

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