Friday Debate: Enough with the Superhero movies already!

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It seems that we’re still being bombarded with Super Hero movies. This week saw the release of Guardians of the Galaxy 2, and it’s apparently quite good – but it’s yet another in a long line of movies about comic book characters. It’s probably because these sorts of movies are safe for studios; great big blockbusters that are more likely than not to rake in the cash.

There’s still much more to come; in the next year or so we’ll see Wonder Woman, Spiderman: homecoming, Thor: Ragnarok, The Inhumans, Justice League, Deadpool 2, Black Panther, Bloodshot, Avengers: Infinity War and probably more that I’ve forgotten about.

Both Marvel and DC are building these great big cinematic universes, with movies and sequels planned right through to the next decade. It’s become an endless parade of tights and capes – and it’s getting a little damned boring.

We watch things anyway, of course, almost feeling like we’re sticking with things out of obligation rather than genuine interest. Can it be sustained? Steven Spielberg doesn’t think so – saying the blockbuster model that drives superhero flicks will go the way of the Western.

“I still feel that way. We were around when the Western died and there will be a time when the superhero movie goes the way of the Western. It doesn’t mean there won’t be another occasion where the Western comes back and the superhero movie someday returns. Of course, right now the superhero movie is alive and thriving. I’m only saying that these cycles have a finite time in popular culture. There will come a day when the mythological stories are supplanted by some other genre that possibly some young filmmaker is just thinking about discovering for all of us.”

Me? I can’t wait for the super hero cycle to complete. But am I wrong? Darryn says…maybe.

“Geoff’s got a point. There’s only so many times you can watch a highly-paid actor dress up in bright spandex and watch them close a space-anus in the sky. And yet, I’m still not tired of these flicks. It’s not the actual on-screen action and special effects that make these films special, but rather the lessons beneath the surface that are worth exploring.

An idea of being better, of being more than you currently are. I’m a big believer that we need heroes now more than ever, even if they’re fictional. Inspiration for the price of a movie ticket and dodgy popcorn? I can live with that. Maybe more than that, however, is the utter joy at seeing my favourite characters given the spotlight. Characters who deserve to be remembered beyond the printed page, and any of those other terrible adaptations that almost killed them.

Comic book movies are a reminder why I love the medium, the greatest American art form ever. Something that I’ll never get tired of.”

What say you? Done with it all, or happy to see more?

Last Updated: May 5, 2017

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Geoffrey Tim

I'm old, grumpy and more than just a little cynical. One day, I found myself in possession of a NES, and a copy of Super Mario Bros 3. It was that game that made me realise that games were more than just toys to idly while away time - they were capable of being masterpieces. I'm here now, looking for more of those masterpieces.

  • VampyreSquirrel

    No I love superhero movies… I don’t want them to go away.

    • Hammersteyn

      Same here, but movies like the last X-Men one felt safe, like ordering a salad. Whereas Logan was a thick juicy medium rare steak. I want that.

      • Captain JJ

        Well, they did put Ivan Ooze in the last X-Men movie after all. 😛

        • Hammersteyn

          What a waste of one of their greatest foes

          • Captain JJ

            I don’t think I’ll ever get over that. Though I’d still love to see Mr Sinister one day in live action. He’s a scary dude.

      • Yes. Logan rocked! Though Trev would hate it…

        • Captain JJ

          Yea, but Trevor likes Suicide Squad. 😛

          • I was talking about how he likes his steaks 😉

          • Captain JJ

            I’m just piling on 😀

          • good man!

          • Hammersteyn

            Stop, we have enough coals

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            That’s what you get for “piling on”!

          • Hey, he needs them!

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            It has the best Joker.

          • Oh you did NOT!

          • Hammersteyn

            What? You mean the supervillain versions of Die Antwoord?

          • Captain JJ

            You’re flattering the new Joker. He was just a common thug.

          • Hammersteyn

            A ghetto pimp

          • Captain JJ

            I’d like to see how that image holds up ten years from now.

          • Hammersteyn

            Like Vanilla Ice?

          • Holds up what? His gold knuckle busters?

          • He was awesome!…

          • Hammersteyn

            XD

          • He was actually damn good. It’s just that they didn’t give him enough screen time. Or gold chains.

          • Hammersteyn

            dat grill doe

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            They’d have been happy if he’d worn a silly chef hat like Jack Nicholson.

          • Yeah, or stupid eye-lined like Ledger

          • Hammersteyn

            lined nothing, he smashed his face into the makeup box before every take

          • Original Heretic

            That’s what happens when an actor does his own makeup!

          • Hammersteyn

            Well now we know how he got those scars

          • Original Heretic

            Hair straightener to the face!

          • Captain JJ

            I have no problems with Leto and his acting skills. I just think they got a bunch of teens to design the character and write his lines for him.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Well the character was created for teens.

          • Captain JJ

            Joker the millennial.

          • I don’t know man. He was pretty intense and insane. And his love story was deep.

          • Captain JJ

            Can’t figure out if you’re trolling or serious.

          • Hammersteyn

            Joker doesn’t love

          • or does he…

          • Hammersteyn

            People, he doesn’t love people?

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            He does, he just doesn’t know how to express it constructively.

          • Hammersteyn

            Probably shouldn’t express it with knives and guns

          • EXACTLY. And one thing Suicide squad did brilliantly was be completely deconstructive…

          • Original Heretic

            There’s the biggest issue I had: they turned it into a love story. He never loved Harley, he just used her.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            But feelings do change over time?

          • or if there is a stress situation?

          • Captain JJ

            You know that she’s not the first and only “Harley” he’s ever had.
            Also that movie was primarily a Morgot Robbie “look at my ass and boobs” screening.
            Cheap way to sell a deep character.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            But she was a deep character in the movie, it was all there. But all the characters did was take her at face value.

          • I picked that up. Been saying it since.

          • Captain JJ

            They cheapened the entire experience by butchering the way she looked to sell movie tickets. And damn, the “we’re bad guys” lines she pulls all the damn time gets lame fast.

          • Original Heretic

            Yeah, that’s why Joker locked Harley in a room with multiple dead previous versions.

          • Captain JJ

            THANK YOU. I don’t think a lot of people know about that.
            They probably weren’t real Harleys, but his intent behind it was clear.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            I don’t remember that from the movie.

          • Captain JJ

            If we’re to ignore Joker’s character from the comics, then the movie might as well be Requiem for a Dream part 2. 😛

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Of course we ignore it. Because you’re taking prior “knowledge” into account in something where that doesn’t apply.

          • Captain JJ

            It’s about the event, but what it says about his character. You can’t ignore that.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            You’re not my mom!

          • Captain JJ

            XD

          • Original Heretic

            It’s in one of the comics.
            It SHOULD have been used as inspiration for the character in the movie.
            Totally screwed him up in the movie.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Then it doesn’t count. Movies aren’t direct copies of source material.

          • Original Heretic

            It should count. Agreed, they aren’t copies and should not be, but they should be heavily inspired by the source material.
            Especially when it comes to an integral character like The Joker.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            But how do you pick & choose what source material with countless retcons and other universes? And how much do you show in a movie, because I’m not going to sit through hours of backstory to get to the new story they’re trying to tell.

          • Original Heretic

            That’s where the director and actor should do their jobs properly.
            You need to look at the common threads throughout every bit of source material. And one thing that was common all the way through was that Joker just used Harley, he never actually loves her.
            She is besotted with him, yes, she would do anything for him…until she realized how he really felt about her.
            Joker is a sociopath and psychopath in the truest sense of those terms. He does not feel ANYTHING good for ANYONE.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Most of the basics of his character were there, with changes to some of them to make him stand apart from other interpretations. If someone doesn’t like the changes that’s a different story completely.

          • Original Heretic

            The only basics they seemed to include were:
            Green hair
            Enemy of Batman
            Funny voice
            Harley as sidekick

            Everything else was rather different.

            And in this case, the “someone”s who didn’t like the version of the character were just about every person who saw it.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Meh. We all know my opinion is the only one that matters.

          • Original Heretic

            Using the royal “we” again, huh?

          • Hammersteyn

            My perception keeps changing though, the problem is that we kinda have to judge a book by it’s cover. It would be fair to give him another shot

          • Captain JJ

            Leto definitely has what it takes to be a great Joker. But he’s not playing the Joker. He’s playing one of those Jokerz from Batman Beyond.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Is he? Or is his appearance just a guise to throw people off? He’s smart enough for that.

          • Hammersteyn

            BURNT STEAK!

      • For the Emperor!

        If they run out of ideas or start playing it safe and get boring, that is when it might need to end. But as things stand, they mostly feel “fresh” and “fun” (disregard recent DC releases), so they can keep coming! Looking forward to Wonderwoman and Thor at the moment!

  • Purple_Dragon

    I agree. It’s got to the point where superhero movies are all the same, same action, same one-liners, same same same.

  • MonsterCheddar

    I love Superhero movies. Rather stop with all these reboots. Get some imgination and make new movies from new ideas.

    Also stop making 10 different movie with 10 different actors for on superhero. Spiderman comes to mind….And Batsy…..

  • Alien Emperor Trevor

    There’s always room for good movies, no matter what the genre. What kills popular genres are a glut of bad movies.

  • Umar

    It needs to stop. Enough with these movies……Move on to bad anime adaptations, arigato go sai masu

  • Unavengedavo

    I really enjoy the Superhero movies and some of them are really good, and some need a directors cut before they are good.

    But it seems that the genre is starting to become watered down because every studio now wants to create a “shared universe”.

    • You can director’s’ cut, producer’s cut, and Magician’s neighbour’s cat’s cut BvS, it’s still a pile of garbage *runs

      • Unavengedavo

        But that Batman fight scene though?

        • Oh yes. Snyder knows his fight stuff, and music. But Plot wise? He lost the plot a long time ago!

  • Captain JJ

    It has a market. No one’s forcing me to watch it. So why stop it?

  • Hammersteyn

    We need more superhero movies like Deadpool, Dredd(he may not be super but he has a comic book) and Logan.

    • Captain JJ

      SPAWN

      • Hammersteyn

        YES! And Constantine, Lobo and X-Force already!

        • Captain JJ

          Lobo would have to be R rated as well. Spawn too.

          • Hammersteyn

            I don’t prefer R rated movies because of the rating, it just feels like the movies are free to do and say what the creatives has in mind. There’s so much more the Avenger movies can do but it’s starting to feel shackled.
            https://youtu.be/jwIOIEunIJI

          • Captain JJ

            Yea. To like it because it’s R rated is silly, but with a character like Lobo and Spawn you’re going to have to cut a lot of stuff out that makes the story and character who they are if you’re going to go PG.

        • Mark Treloar

          You forgot a proper Punisher movie.

          • Hammersteyn

            Oh yes!

    • miaau

      DEADPOOL!!!!!!!!!!

    • Jim of the Banana

      Even the wife wanted to watch Logan again… What an awesome movie.

  • DragonSpirit009

    I don’t mind the superhero movies.
    But remakes of the same superhero’s are super annoying.

  • Skittle

    It will stop soon enough. A while ago zombie movies were the big thing but they are few and far between these days.

    • Hammersteyn

      Marvel has a ton of momentum at the moment though, but it may slow down once the bing names starts stepping down. I mean how long is Robert Downey Jr. still gonna play Iron Man

      • I think he has 2 more movie contracts after Spider-Man.

        • Hammersteyn

          Chris Evans said as much as well, normally a party dies down once the guests starts leaving, sure others may join, but you don’t know those people

          • We’ll see. Black Panther will take up the reins, as will Captain Marvel. But that is a very valid point. RdJ has been there since the beginning (actually, THE beginning). What happens when you start removing fan-favourites like them?

  • The guy is just bitter because people are doing what he did, only in 2017 The guy will be right of course, but not after 50 movies that people enjoy are made. Of course it will run its course, everything does, rather stupid thing to say. No genre lasts forever. I for one enjoy them, There are still plenty of other movies to watch out there. It’s not like they are ditched to put a cape on Shakespear.

    • Captain JJ

      Yea. People go on like it’s ruining the industry. If anything they’re setting a new bar for special effects.

      • Actually they are ruining the special effects industry. They get them to do work worth millions of dollars, then don’t use the scene and don’t pay for it. There is actually a very big problem now. The CGI artists are getting paid fuck all compared to what the movies pull in.

        • Hammersteyn

          Good, bring back big and bloody squibs

          • They have in Alein: Covenant. But they also brought back Ridley Scott 🙁

          • Hammersteyn

            Ridley Scott doesn’t share squibs, just like the Alien franchise

          • Captain JJ

            And that female protagonist who has fever facial expressions than the xenomorph

          • She isn’t the main one though. Have you seen the prequel story for the droid? Explains what happens to her.

          • Captain JJ

            I’m trying not to get myself too hyped up on it, so I’m staying away from too much stuff before I watch the movie. So I didn’t know. But that does change things though. I found her to be very difficult to believe as a character. She needs to go lighter on the botox methinks 😛

          • Hammersteyn

            Enough Kristen Stewart jokes, she tried to do her best Noomi impression 😛

        • Captain JJ

          Yea, I’ve actually heard about that. I just meant in terms of quality.

        • Original Heretic

          Huge issue, yeah. That’s why Academy Award winning companies go bankrupt.

          • ya. Look at Life of Pi…

          • Original Heretic

            Exactly what I was thinking about.

  • Frans J Smit

    All I have been waiting for was someone to say “Hey, let’s do SPAWN again – properly” Guess that will still be a long wait even with McFarlane saying a script is ready

  • HairyEwok

    This is what the majority of people wanted. Now that we have it we don’t want it anymore.

    • Give me more CoD! No, I don’t want it! Why no CoD!?

  • Original Heretic

    I love Superhero movies. Even the ones that get bad reviews, I’ll watch them. I may not enjoy them as much as others, but I’ll watch them all.
    This goes back to my child years, reading and re-reading comics, wishing and imagination what an awesome movie would look like.
    Now, they finally have the technology to do these movies properly. Man, some of the dodgy movies we saw years back… *shudder*

    But as much as I love them, the cycle of these is bound to end at some point. That’s what Hollywood does. Twenty years ago, look at the sheer numbers of Westerns that came out. These days, they are far and few between.

    Until they stop making them, I’ll just enjoy the ride and the anticipation of the next spectacle.

  • miaau

    Yeah, but these are the cycles for development of new IP / stories / entertainment / whatever. 30 to 80 years ago, it was very, very difficult to publish a new book that was not a romance or detective novel, for example. Read up on someone like Isaac Asmiov and how hard it was to get the money men, the publishers to take a chance on something new.

    Now the money men are movie produces and the costs and risks are much, much higher than with books. So, like with games, sticking to a certain tried and “tested” formula and providing more of the same, with incremental changes, is the safer, moneywise, path to tread.

  • Stop making DC movies …. I agree 100%
    Also stop with prequels.
    Also stop Adam Sandler movies.

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      An Adam Sandler DC movie – he’d be perfect as Plastic Man.

      • Unavengedavo

        NO!

  • Jim of the Banana

    I’m old enough to remember the police academy movies, which became progressively worse with each installment. You certainly can’t say the same for the Marvel movies (they’re just becoming better and better), and while I’m sure the trend won’t last forever, I’m glad to experience movies that have respected their source material.

  • Jim of the Banana

    The world is ready for a Phantom movie…. Make it happen!

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