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Title and extensive details of Colin Trevorrow’s Star Wars: Episode IX script leaked

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One of the biggest criticisms that has been levelled at Disney’s handling of the Star Wars franchise in the wake of The Rise of Skywalker is that the studio didn’t plan out the entire trilogy in full, resulting in a story lacking in cohesion. My answer to that has always been that NO Star Wars trilogy has ever been planned out in full (George Lucas famously made things up as he went along which is why Luke’s crush suddenly turns out to be his sister and his biggest enemy is suddenly his dad) but now I have another: They kinda did plan this out.

We know for a fact that Rian Johnson had already penned the script for The Last Jedi before JJ Abrams’ The Force Awakens even completed filming. As such, saying that Johnson had deviated from the plan and done his own thing, tossing away Abrams’ ideas, is demonstrably false. They worked together, after a fashion, as each filmmaker was aware of what the other was doing. And it would appear that this also applies to Colin Trevorrow.

The Jurassic World filmmaker was originally supposed to write/direct the closing chapter in the trilogy, but he unceremoniously exited the production due to those old “creative differences” with Lucasfilm boss Kathleen Kennedy. JJ Abrams was asked to come back to replace Trevorrow and promptly tried to “fix” The Last Jedi’s more controversial elements and that’s how we ended up with The Rise of Skywalker.

But that was never Trevorrow’s plan. Not only was he going to carry on from The Last Jedi in a cohesive arc, but I’ll be damned if what he had planned actually sounds pretty cool. And we now know those details thanks to a massive leak from filmmaker, DVD producer, and YouTuber Robert Meyer Burnett (via Reddit), delving into the script that Trevorrow wrote with frequent collaborator Derek Connolly.

Now firstly, we see claims of Star Wars leaks all the time on Reddit, 99% of which is pure fiction. In this case, though, both IndieWire and AVClub, two pretty respectable and reliable news publications, have stepped forward to verify that this leak lines up almost perfectly with everything they’ve uncovered in their own separate investigations. So while not officially confirmed, I think it’s safe to assume it as such for now. I also have to point out that just last month MakingStarWars, another reputable scooper, claimed to have had access to Trevorrow’s leaked script, only to have the filmmaker himself completely shoot it down. As IndieWire reports, it appears that MakingStarWars did have a legit Episode IX script, but it was a different, unused draft penned by Jack Thorn after Trevorrow’s departure.

As for Trevorrow’s own script though, it was titled Star Wars: Duel of the Fates and that’s already won me over as that’s also the title of arguably the greatest piece of Star Wars music ever written by the legendary John Williams. As for the rest of the script, you can watch Burnett’s video analysis below but I’ve also posted the very lengthy transcript of the script breakdown with some thoughts following that.

WARNING: There are some The Rise of Skywalker SPOILERS included!!!

CRAWL:

The iron grip of the FIRST ORDER has spread to the farthest reaches of the galaxy. Only a few scattered planets remain unoccupied. Traitorous acts are punishable by death.

Determined to suffocate a growing unrest, Supreme Leader KYLO REN has silenced all communication between neighboring systems.

Led by GENERAL LEIA ORGANA, the Resistance has planned a secret mission to prevent their annihilation and forge a path to freedom…

– Opens at the Kuat Shipyards (man on a mission-style)

– BB-8 and Rose Tico (allegedly a key character in script) are infiltrating Kuat Moon where First Order build their ships (workers are oppressed). There is an orbital ring and moon below it. Finn and Poe are there. No R2/3PO. Rey arrives.

– The plan: Send explosive into the power shaft that delivers raw ore into the ring.

– Plan goes wrong. (RBM loves dialogue at this moment.) First Order is able to contain blast. Admiral Vaughn says Resistance tactics are “pitful.”

– Rey disguised as a Tusken Raider is revealed to have created her own weapon (a double-blade lightsaber hybrid of her staff and Luke’s cracked saber).

– They battle and Poe, Finn, Rose, Rey, and BB-8 STEAL A STAR DESTROYER (Eclipse-class) and escape.

– The Knife 9 a ship containing the Knights of Ren arrives a Kuat. Ataska (?) Ren kills Admiral Vaughn for his failure.

– CUT TO: CORUSCANT. No longer a vibrant city. “The new structures are built atop the art deco structure of the old republic.” Occupied by the First Order now (they have a citadel/palace there). Citizens are scavengers now. Hux is now CHANCELLOR HUX and is addressing Bisc Kova (traitor who helped Resist. steal Star Destroyer.) Kova is executed with a light blade guillotine.

– Hux and Commander Selleck have a meeting with several alien war lords (ode to ANH imperial council scene). First Order has allies. They are aware of Rey being the last Jedi. Council wants to know WHERE IS KYLO REN? He is missing. Hux only knows he has gone searching for something of great power.

– CUT TO: MUSTAFAR. Kylo Ren is alone, except for a Darth Maul-esque droid. He has stubble indicating search has been for a long time. Ren is being HAUNTED by Luke’s force ghost.

– Luke: “This is where the dark path leads; an empty tomb.” Kylo (retort): “Where did your path lead?”

– Luke is trying to convince him to go back to Leia. Kylo: “I’m going to be more powerful than any Jedi…even you.”

– In Vader’s Temple, Kylo finds a Sith Holocron which reveals a hologram of Palpatine. Recording is for Vader. Palpatine has a contingency for Vader if Luke kills him. Vader is to take Luke to the Remnicore (?) System to see TOR VALUM, Master of Sith/Palpatine’s Teacher.

– After scanning Kylo, the Holocron explodes and releases red lighting which burns Kylo, who screams.

– CUT TO: RESISTANCE BASE on KOR-ALAF (?). Leia is introduced as she feels what’s happening to Ben. Chewbacca and Lt. Connix tell Leia that the Kuat team is back. They’re shocked to see a Star Destroyer (which is landed onto the planet). Funny moment w/ Rey using Mind Trick on First Order officers who were still on the ship.

– Rey confides in Finn that she doesn’t feel like she has what it takes to be a Jedi and can’t live up to everyone’s expectations. Finn asks her if she still senses Kylo. Rey confesses she’s been having nightmares. Finn asks if it’s Kylo. Rey says she can’t explain their connection.

– Finn: “You have to shut him out. He can’t change. It’s too late.” Rey: “It’s never to late to change. You taught me that Finn.”

– Resistance realizes that the Star Destroyer stills has most of it’s weapons (tanks, TIEs, etc). Only missing piece is an army to use it.

– Rey researching the Jedi texts from Anch-To discovers that under Coruscant Jedi Temple there is a communication system (called a FORCE BEACON) from the Old Republic that can send a signal to 50 planets. They plan on using it to get allies. First Order can’t stop it, since it predates Imperial tech. Rey: “Hope is all we have left.”

– Force Ghost Luke appears as Rey trains. Luke is pushing Rey to get stronger in the Force, while he is pushing Kylo to let Ben out.

– Kylo makes it back to Coruscant. Face is damaged. Mandalorian armor is smelted and is been applied to his face. Confronts Hux and belittles him, saying he doesn’t need titles.

– Rey to Luke as they train: “Balance? The dark suffocates the light, light extinguishes the dark. Over and over and over again. How is that balance in the force?”

Luke: “I know that anger. My father had it too.’

– Rey: “So says my master and his master before him. A thousand masters so eager to tell us how to live.”

– Rest of exchange between Rey and Luke is basically Rey trying to back away from being a Jedi (she admits she is NO ONE) and Luke trying to convince her (he says the Force is speaking to her).

– Back to Kylo. He and Hux continue to snipe at each other. Kylo says he’s leaving again, but not before telling Hux the power he discovered will make destroying planets insignificant. Kylo’s last order to Hux: “Find the Resistance, wipe them out, leave the girl to me.”

– TEAM A (Rose, Finn, R2, 3PO): Going to Coruscant to light the beacon.

– TEAM B (Rey, Poe, Chewbacca): Going to a planet to find someone to help Rey figure out what she needs to do. (side: Yes, his descrp. is that vague)

– Kylo is going to a Sith Planet/Remnicore. EDIT: Before he leaves Coruscant, he takes Vader’s mask and says he understands Vader now. Kylo: “You allowed love to cloud your judgement” and he throws Vader’s mask off of a balcony and it shatters.

– Leia stays at the base overseeing the Resistance.

– Before Rey leaves, she and Leia have an exchange were Rey says she believes there’s still good in Kylo. Leia is skeptical, but Rey believes in her Jedi Training. Leia: “You’re not like my father or my brother. You’re new. Whatever happens, remember the force choose you Rey. You’re story isn’t written by anyone else.”

RMB starts summarizing now:

– First Order tracks down stolen Star Destroyer to Kor-Alaf. Resistance escapes.

– TEAM A successfully infiltrates the Jedi Temple and turn on the beacon. Cut to different places around the galaxy receiving the signal (Bossk cameo). It is then cut off by the First Order. TEAM A then flee into the underbelly of Coruscant.

– TEAM B are being pursued by the Knife 9 (Knights of Ren ship) and eventually reach the planet Bonadan.

– Kylo reaches Remincore and confronts Tor Valum (7000 yrs old, alien of unknown origin, spindly, intense sinewy muscle — very Lovecraftian). Kylo begins training with Valum. Ode to ESB Cave scene: Kylo fights Vader. Fight is brutal and Kylo loses.

– Bonadan: Poe takes Rey to a Seer who can pull information out of memories. The Seer pulls a star chart out of Rey’s mind from her visions w/ Kylo. Knights of Ren show up and fight Rey in a lightsaber battle. She defeats them and TEAM B escapes.

– Both Rey and Kylo eventually get to MORTIS.

– Leia asks Lando if he will organize the smugglers and fight the First Order.

– Rose is captured and tortured by the First Order, but is able to escape.

– Finn/R2/3PO start a citizens uprising on Coruscant around the First Order’s Citadel/Palace.

– Leia brings her forces to Coruscant to battle the FO. Massive space battle, ground battle (ROTJ-style you know the works lol). Chewie flies an X-Wing.

– Rey and Kylo battle on Mortis, using force energy that can pull from each other. At some point is revealed Kylo killed Rey’s parents at the behest of Snoke. Towards the end, Luke/Obi Wan/Yoda appear as Force Ghosts to save Ben, but are unsuccessful. Ben is “extinguished.”

– RMB seems to be at the end, so just for house keeping sake – Resistance won, First Order loses.

– One final deet: Han Solo did appear in the script and does confront Kylo at some point.

Soooooo… firstly, this script draft was allegedly dated just a week before Carrie Fisher’s untimely death which leads to questions about Abrams and Kennedy saying that Episode IX had always been intended to be Leia’s movie. She’s barely in this. IndieWire claims that Burnett may have got the date wrong though and this was actually from after Fisher’s death, which makes a lot more sense.

Secondly, I see zero explanation from Trevorrow as to why Rey is so powerful in the Force, which would certainly have reignited those irksome “Mary Sue” cries. There’s also barely a mention of Palpatine, which again flies in the face of Abrams’ claim that the Emperor’s return in The Rise of Skywalker had been planned from the start. Maybe that was the case though and Trevorrow baulked against it which is what led to him getting axed in the first place? We don’t know.

What we do know is that Trevorrow definitely picked up and carried on threads from The Last Jedi with no weird retcons. The one that stands out for me is Rey using the two broken pieces of Anakin’s lightsaber – which she and Kylo shattered in their fight in Snoke’s throne room – to create her own dual-bladed staff-like lightsaber. That makes so much sense, both from a character point of view and in terms of continuity, that it’s insane that Disney ditched it. Instead, we had to get a hand-wavey explanation for Rey’s miraculous repair of Anakin’s lightsaber buried in the movie’s ancillary materials and a plot twist appearance of Leia’s lightsaber.

Another very notable holdover from The Last Jedi is the relationship and arc of Finn and Rose. In The Rise of Skywalker, Finn found himself just retreading the same arc as before and then having a weird “maybe I love Rey/maybe I secretly have access to the Force” angle thrown in as well. Meanwhile, Rose got so sidelined so heavily that she had fewer lines than uncredited characters, prompting some fan backlash about how Disney handled the first woman of colour lead character in the entire franchise’s history.

IndieWire shared some further details on Finn/Rose’s planned arc in Trevorrow’s script:

One of the main beats of the story told to us was given agency and a full arc to Finn and Rose Tico, the latter totally sidelined in “Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker.” Finn’s story, in particular, came full circle in his original arc of a Stormtrooper who finds his moral compass, cannot fulfill his duties and defects to the side of the Resistance as seen in ‘The Force Awakens.’ In ‘Duel Of The Fates,’ Rose and Finn went on a side mission to enemy-occupied Coruscant to light and activate an ancient beacon in the old Jedi Temple to call the galaxy to war.

Finn’s arc is further sparked before this. In the opening sequence of the movie, which is very men-on-a-mission, the Resistance—Finn, Rose, and BB8— steals a Star Destroyer full of old Imperial weapons and vehicles, and during this heist, Finn sees a fallen Stormtrooper without his helmet on, and recognizes him. This crucial story beat was meant to re-ignite his internal conflict when it comes to killing his former brothers and sisters in arms (side note, Burnett in his YouTube video says I’d been more or less told as well. “I hope Kelly Marie Tran never reads this script ever. Because Rose Tico is front and center throughout this whole movie and her character is great as written.”)

From there, all the details match. Finn and Rose are captured, sent to a POW camp, Rose is interrogated by Hux. Eventually, when Finn escapes prison, he has connected with other dubious Stormtroopers, and recruits his own defecting Stormtrooper army to fight back, and this becomes his new army. It becomes a kind of citizen’s uprising.

Along with giving Finn and Rose their due, Trevorrow also even brought back another character from The Last Jedi: The broom boy.

The last beat of the film connected to “Star Wars: The Last Jedi,” with Finn and Rose taking all the Force-sensitive youth to a remote planet so Rey can train the next generation of Jedi. The Broom Boy, from Rian Johnson’s film, is among the children here. If anyone felt Rose, and to a lesser degree, Finn were shortchanged in the movie, ‘Duel Of The Fates,’ certainly gave them as much to do as any significant character.

Trevorrow has never really won me over as a great director (Jurassic World was essentially a Steven Spielberg ripoff, and the less said about The Book of Henry the better) so who knows what the final product of this film would have been, but I have to admit that there’s a lot in this script that I like waaaaay more than what we got in The Rise of Skywalker. The biggest thing, which I keep harping on about, is coherence. Irrespective of whether you agree with the direction in which Johnson took some of the characters in The Last Jedi, at least there would have been a direction. The Rise of Skywalker breaks its own back by zigging and zagging all over the place as it tries to be two movies crammed into one due to it trying to undo Johnson’s story while also telling Abrams’ story. And that’s when it’s not just outright ignoring the existence of previous character beats and plot points.

I don’t expect Lucasfilm or Trevorrow to publicly confirm all the details in this script – at least not for a long time – but it irks me to think of what could have been. I enjoyed a bunch in The Rise of Skywalker, but it could have – and should have – been more.

Last Updated: January 15, 2020

65 Comments

  1. *cracks knuckles*
    Ok boys, let’s see how many downvotes I can get today. 8 is my record.

    Ready?

    Rey’s not a Mary-Sue.

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    • Admiral Chief

      January 15, 2020 at 10:47

      Only 8? Pffff, amateur

      😛

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    • Hammersteyn

      January 15, 2020 at 11:11

      She is though
      Pilots the Millenium Falcon expertly, no experience with flying ships.
      Defeats Kylo Ren who was trained by Luke, no experience a lightsaber.
      Uses Jedi mind tricks without any training, no experience in the force.

      Or maybe she just knows how to git gud when the screenwriter needs her to be. I mean they decided 5 minutes before the launch of ROS that she’s Palpatine’s grand daughter.

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      • Admiral Chief

        January 15, 2020 at 11:11

        Ok I laughed

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        • Hammersteyn

          January 15, 2020 at 11:11

          XD

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      • Alessandro Barbosa

        January 15, 2020 at 11:11

        Luke flew an X-Wing and was able to make the impossible shot no one else could despite never having been anything but a moisture farmer beforehand.

        So is Luke a Mary-Sue?

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        • Hammersteyn

          January 15, 2020 at 11:11

          He owned an Incom T-16 Skyhopper back home on Tatooine, which had a control scheme very similar to T-65 X-wing
          https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/T-16_skyhopper

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          • Admiral Chief

            January 15, 2020 at 11:11

            He also bulls-eyed womp rats on this thing, which were tiny

          • Hammersteyn

            January 15, 2020 at 11:19

            And Obi-Wan guided him to trust in the force, Rey is so good she didn’t need anyones help till the very end of ROS

          • Admiral Chief

            January 15, 2020 at 11:19

            Pfff, Luke taught her three lessons, I mean really, who needs more? Luke had like 20 minutes in a swamp

          • Alessandro Barbosa

            January 15, 2020 at 11:19

            Again from the same book that mentions this ship, which (according to the link) was only published in 2015 (!). So yeah, for 40 years there was no explination as to how Luke managed that, and everyone was totally fine with it. And I get that because hey the Force is this weird magical thing that allows for these extraordinary abilities.

            Unless it’s Rey, or something.

          • Admiral Chief

            January 15, 2020 at 11:19

            No man, he mentioned it in the mission briefing before all his friends died and he had no remorse about their deaths shortly afterwards because he was too busy getting a medal from his crush/sister

          • Alessandro Barbosa

            January 15, 2020 at 11:19

            Which was definitely retconned in way, way after the films right? But taken in context with just seeing that film, it makes no sense. Especially when you consider he also “used the Force” to make that shot without the assist. It’s the same thing man 🙂

          • Gareth Lagesse (eXCheez)

            January 15, 2020 at 11:19

            Women can’t use the Force. It’s science!

            /s

          • Hammersteyn

            January 15, 2020 at 11:19

            Ahsoka is a treasure you monster!

          • Alessandro Barbosa

            January 15, 2020 at 11:27

            We need more Ahsoka after Rebels 🙁

          • Raptor Rants

            January 15, 2020 at 14:26

            [spoiler] Her voice is at the end or ROS talking to Rey. The only people talking to her were dead people. So sorry man. Ahsoka is dead.

          • Admiral Chief

            January 15, 2020 at 11:27

            Ahsoka is dead

          • Hammersteyn

            January 15, 2020 at 11:19

            He says in the movie “I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home. They’re not much bigger than two meters.”

            So I dunno man, are we retconning the movies, was tossing all the SW lore out the window by Disney not enough

          • Alessandro Barbosa

            January 15, 2020 at 11:27

            Ah I see, I didn’t recall that specific line and was going but the citation in the link you posted (which only links it to that much younger book).

            Either way I still think Luke gets away with performing some pretty extraordinary things based on a past we didn’t see, which 100% could be Rey’s own path given how she grew up alone having to make do for herself. At the end of the day they both pick up the Force really quickly (and conveniently) and I’m personally fine with that because it just makes sense in the context of their arcs 🙂

          • Admiral Chief

            January 15, 2020 at 11:42

            Well they are both considered to have a strong Force connection, so they “pick up the Force really quickly” as you stated

          • Alessandro Barbosa

            January 15, 2020 at 11:42

            I probably still would’ve been fine with it even without Rey’s lineage retcon in ROS *shrug*

          • Hammersteyn

            January 15, 2020 at 11:59

            She picks it up way quicker it seems. Luke had Obi Wan to train him, he even uses the helmet and the laser bot and as I said he mentioned being a pilot on Tatooine. It’s these small and seemingly inconsequential things that gives Luke some character.

            Rey just seems to do everything needed because it needs to be done at the time. if they spent more time on Rey in TFA by showing her flying something, do more battle with her staff, or at least feel some small connection by sorta moving something like the kid did the broom in TLJ. Then you have a foundation to build on.

          • Matthew Holliday

            January 15, 2020 at 11:27

            Lukes friend did say “hes the best pilot on tatooine” when they first meet up with the rebels though, so its kinda implied that he had experience beforhand.

            Granted its a “somehow” thing, but its more then Rey got.

          • Hammersteyn

            January 15, 2020 at 11:59

            Right, they claimed he’s the best, so now there’s an expectation. You want to see how he can handle himself in a fight. Rey could’ve said, I’ve been flying the Millenium Falcon for years because she might’ve maybe worked for Unkar Plutt.

            Instead they opted for a surprise reveal, oh look guys, it’s the Falcon, how’s the nostalgia flowing?

      • Gareth Lagesse (eXCheez)

        January 15, 2020 at 11:11

        Ha! 😛

        What’s interesting – and ultimately even more upsetting – is that there were sharp-eyed YouTubers who suspected that Rey was a Palpatine shortly after The Force Awakens.

        Her way of wielding a sabre, and her short bouts of rage were *identical* to Palpatine. So it was intended back then. It gets upsetting how it didn’t get revealed in a clever way, and feels extremely shoe-horned and contrived.

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        • Hammersteyn

          January 15, 2020 at 11:11

          Would’ve been awesome if she let off a spark of force lightning during the battle in TFA

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          • Admiral Chief

            January 15, 2020 at 11:11

            Eskom should look into that

        • Alessandro Barbosa

          January 15, 2020 at 11:27

          I saw that same video and I want to believe that Disney was shrewd enough to weave those small hints in from the start, but I think it all ended up being a huge coincidence. The Palpatine stuff felt sooooo shoehorned in

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        • Matthew Holliday

          January 15, 2020 at 11:27

          To be fair, a thousand people made a thousand guesses with decent reasoning’s, a few were bound to be right.

          Talking about sabre forms and stuff is all conjecture, palpatine uses a sith sabre form, while Luke taught her nothing and she read a few jedi books.
          If anything its a coincidence, she learned from Kylo, the only other person she ever saw using a sabre, who they shoehorned the snoke/palpatine relation into.

          Same with the rage thing, more likely got it from Kylo again, palpatine used hate, not rage, not even once have we seen him angry, even in the animated stuff.

          People being like “saw that coming” are full of bs, someones guess was bound to be close to the mark.

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        • Matthew Holliday

          January 15, 2020 at 11:27

          To be fair, a thousand people made a thousand guesses with decent reasoning’s, a few were bound to be right.

          Talking about sabre forms and stuff is all conjecture, palpatine uses a sith sabre form, while Luke taught her nothing and she read a few jedi books.
          If anything its a coincidence, she learned from Kylo, the only other person she ever saw using a sabre, who they shoehorned the snoke/palpatine relation into.

          Same with the rage thing, more likely got it from Kylo again, palpatine used hate, not rage, not even once have we seen him angry, even in the animated stuff.

          People being like “saw that coming” are full of bs, someones guess was bound to be close to the mark.

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        • Matthew Holliday

          January 15, 2020 at 11:27

          To be fair, a thousand people made a thousand guesses with decent reasoning’s, a few were bound to be right.

          Talking about sabre forms and stuff is all conjecture, palpatine uses a sith sabre form, while Luke taught her nothing and she read a few jedi books.
          If anything its a coincidence, she learned from Kylo, the only other person she ever saw using a sabre, who they shoehorned the snoke/palpatine relation into.

          Same with the rage thing, more likely got it from Kylo again, palpatine used hate, not rage, not even once have we seen him angry, even in the animated stuff.

          People being like “saw that coming” are full of bs, someones guess was bound to be close to the mark.

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      • HairyEwok

        January 16, 2020 at 11:19

        Your likes to his dislike ratio….. Balanced, as all things should be.

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    • Admiral Chief

      January 15, 2020 at 14:17

      (you are up to 5, hehehe)

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      • Gareth Lagesse (eXCheez)

        January 15, 2020 at 14:18

        YES! I live off their hate and nonsense!

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    • Caveshen Rajman

      January 15, 2020 at 11:59

      I’ve gotta admit, I am fully onboard with people calling Rey OP if they admit that Anakin (Jesus child) was also OP.

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    • Dresden

      January 15, 2020 at 23:09

      I added a dislike for you to beat your record. I couldn’t care less about the conversation at hand.

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      • Gareth Lagesse (eXCheez)

        January 16, 2020 at 11:05

        You are a scholar and a gentleman.

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    • Gareth Lagesse (eXCheez)

      January 17, 2020 at 10:11

      Ten downvotes! YAS!

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  2. Admiral Chief

    January 15, 2020 at 10:47

  3. Admiral Chief

    January 15, 2020 at 10:47

  4. Admiral Chief

    January 15, 2020 at 10:47

    Kerv, not trying to be rude with the didn’t read gifs, but I’m very happy with RoS and I don’t want to sully the memory with other ideas 🙂

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  5. Raptor Rants

    January 15, 2020 at 10:47

    I just want to point out you can’t just steal a star destroyer with a handful of people.

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  6. Gareth Lagesse (eXCheez)

    January 15, 2020 at 11:03

    I had no faith in Trevorrow until I saw that Jurassic World 3 “teaser” short a few months back. That was actually done really well.

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  7. Daniel Hallinan

    January 15, 2020 at 11:03

    This definitely reads as a much more consistent and interesting narrative and conclusion to the trilogy. Definitely something that, conceptually at least, I’m much more into than what was released.

    Of course, a script is very different to a finished product, and no one can say whether this would have been good in exectution – especially as we’ve seen several amazing first draft scripts torn up into milquetoast experiences by the time they get to the screen.

    Stealing a Star Destroyer with only a handful of people is a bit suspect, though 😛

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    • Alessandro Barbosa

      January 15, 2020 at 11:03

      Yeah a script can definitely sound a lot better without the realities of production attached, but I’m a little sad we’ll never get to see what sounds like a great arc for Finn and Rose. And a much more plausible wrap up for Rey and Ren.

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      • Daniel Hallinan

        January 15, 2020 at 11:11

        Fully agree. Feels far more consistent and, as a result, more satisfying.

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      • Hammersteyn

        January 15, 2020 at 11:11

        Finn and Rose had amazing chemistry with that kiss in TLJ… wait, no, the opposite of that.

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        • Admiral Chief

          January 15, 2020 at 11:11

          HAH

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    • Matthew Holliday

      January 15, 2020 at 11:27

      Sounds exactly like TLJ, which I didnt like either.
      Though I do give them props for owning and doubling down on their decision making from the previous films, its definitely a more confident script than the one we got where they backpedalled away from everything the fans didnt like and introduced new stuff that was just… worse.

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      • Admiral Chief

        January 15, 2020 at 11:42

        What new things were introduced that was “worse” in your opinion?

        (Not trolling, just looking for your view)

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        • Matthew Holliday

          January 15, 2020 at 12:20

          -The whole Rose thing, I wasnt a fan of her, was massively forced, but sidelining her and replacing the asian minority chick with a black female deserter stormtrooper… ugh, what a way to trivialize the social commentary.
          -The romance with kylo, trivial, pointless.
          -kylo suddenly being able to force heal after seeing it once, if he could have done that, he should have healed her and died, without any of that crappy romance stuff.
          -Leia being a jedi master who could kick Lukes ass, literally the first time we’ve heard of that, in TFA, she force pulled herself and that was supposed to be a massive “oh damn” moment because she was never trained.
          -The disappointment that was the massively overhyped knights of ren. they were just bounty hunters, not even at bobba fetts level.
          -Palpatine showing up at all was lame, but doing so in the opening text, I felt like I had missed a short film or an entire episode or something.
          Id have been happy if they brought Snoke back and introduced his backstory with some kind of relation to Palpatine. But palpatine himself, lame.
          -Claiming rey to be his grand daughter, I was like “palpatine had kids??” where the hell did that come from? After the admittance that she was no-one, “no-one” would have made her more profound, like how Anakin was no one. I could even have delt with her being a force manifestation by palpatine or something, but kids, the force is strong there.
          -Their teleporting vision thing, was initially something that only Snoke could pull off, and a similar act cost Luke his life (also lame) but now the two of them can do it whenever they feel like it.
          -Force healing, like, what? where? how?
          -and palpatine being all like, ooh force healing and a link or something, ill take that and return to my full power, no idea how he did that.
          -Then dying immediately after, he beat/survived yoda, maul, windu, vader, luke, then dies to a street rat with no real master who hasnt been using a sabre for a year and wasnt even the chosen one?
          -Rey having every force ability ever, sense, healing, teleport vision thing, innate ability to do everything.
          -light speed skipping, introduced it like it was the new big bad and it amounted to nothing. (small but whatever)
          -The whole double light saber force lightning absorb thing, two times the sabers two times the power absorbtion? That was a force skill, not a sabre skill and not even yoda could block palpatines lightning.

          All that and we didnt even get a “have you heard the tragedy of darth plageius the wise?”

          And sword fights that were worse than the original trilogy, I could have delt if it looked remotely like Luke had restored even a little of the sabre dueling forms and skills that we had in the prequel trilogy/befor the fall of the jedi.

          Deviated from your question a bit, but mostly, the amount convenience, contrivance and plain old “stick it in and hope it fits” was just silly.
          I get that with fantasy, there is a bit of plot armour and the MC is usually the best case scenario and stuff, but maaaan… there are limits.

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          • Kervyn Cloete

            January 15, 2020 at 12:50

            I agree with several of your points, but I have to disagree about the fight choreography. I really like it in TROS. It looks real and impactful. The Prequel’s choreography has some fantastic moments (Obi Wan’s behind the back block against Maul still makes me squee) but it was mostly flashy shit where they literally weren’t even trying to hit each other. This video below was done as a joke, but it highlighted the very real problems with the Prequel Trilogy’s fight choreography

          • Matthew Holliday

            January 15, 2020 at 13:04

            K ya I get that, but the missing bit is like 100% for the safety of the actors, and its still fast, its intricate, it has style, and is stupidly cool.

            Im assuming youve watched their training movies from the 3rd (I mean, who hasnt?) and you can see the effort and dedication the actors went through to get it right, to learn, to atleast be convincing.

            Then you go to the TLJ and the throne room scene.
            https://youtu.be/OL83p4GxAvw?t=320

            And the one on one duels between rey and kyle, lumbering cumbersome big slow swings, theyr literally swinging light, but making it look like theyr wielding giant 2 handed battle axes, yes, there are a few cool moves, but theyr few and far between.

            My point was, for all the missed hits and stuff, its idealized:

            the prequels and their fights were what the jedi order was at its peak, light, intricate, with millenia of knowledge packed into it.
            Then the original trilogy comes and sabre fighting is a lost art.
            I wanted the new trilogy to show some kind of evidence that Luke and his students have atleast progressed and restored SOME of the art.

          • Matthew Holliday

            January 15, 2020 at 13:27

            A bit of a sensationalist response, but we got better fighting from the witcher, and that was a series.

          • Kervyn Cloete

            January 15, 2020 at 16:13

            Well there you won’t get any argument from me. That choreography was superb!

  8. Gareth Lagesse (eXCheez)

    January 15, 2020 at 11:03

    *Annie’s voice*
    Trevorrow, Trevorrow, we love ya Trevorrow. You’re only a film away.

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  9. Jac7

    January 15, 2020 at 12:57

    Way better script. Bringing back the emperor was unnecessary Deus ex machina for a fuckup that never existed. I might be in the minority here when it comes to TLJ (I loved it) because I thought they told the story they wanted to tell, and instead of running with it with the followup, they tried to please everybody in a galaxy far far away.

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  10. David

    January 15, 2020 at 11:11

    “What we do know is that Trevorrow definitely picked up and carried on threads from The Last Jedi with no weird retcons.”

    The status quo between the end of The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi are the same – Resistance outnumbered, the First Order magically goes from fringe to dominating a galaxy.

    The Last Jedi closed every thread from The Force Awakens and left very few threads (Snoke dead, Rey’s parents nothing, Luke dead). The reason Trevorrow’s script sounds pretty cool, is that it sounds pretty cool despite what was left for him from the previous entry, in my opinion.

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    • Kervyn Cloete

      January 15, 2020 at 12:20

      No I’ll have to disagree.

      – The Last Jedi ended with the assumption that Luke’s actions on Crait would inspired people to start rising up against the First Order. And yet when TROS starts it’s like that never happened. Here the First Order has to actively work to try and shut it down and aren’t succeeding.

      – The Broom Boy scene in TLJ s also supposed to indicate that a new generation of Force users were coming into being. There was none of that in TROS. Here we Finn and Rose gather up those youngsters for Rey to train as new Jedi.

      – The relationship between Finn and Rose is continued here instead of completely ignored, and Finn’s entire arc of coming to terms with being a Stormtrooper turning on his former masters is addressed.

      – Kylo also continues to be his own master, throwing away Vader’s plans and assuming full leadership instead of suddenly being willing to be subservient to the Emperor.

      – Rey is really “no one” and embraces that, forging her own path.

      There’s a lot more that I can go on with.

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  11. CodeDisQus

    January 16, 2020 at 14:06

    100% better than what we got……

    SO SO SO many head scratching moment in ROTS….
    If anything this kind of proves that Star Wars NEEDED a story, written and directed by one person.
    I say this because, changing the tone between movies along with motivations is downright dumb.
    Kind of like Justice League with Snyder and Whedon

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    • Gareth Lagesse (eXCheez)

      January 17, 2020 at 09:36

      I think the problem is that we’re getting and expecting everything to be a trilogy. If we had more stand-alone movies we wouldn’t get these issues.

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      • CodeDisQus

        January 17, 2020 at 09:42

        I agree, however, when they come out of the gate and exclaim that we are getting a new trilogy, they may as well do it right you know! I still believe that Rogue One is the best of the new movies. It’s just so enjoyable, no random WTF moments, even though we knew how it would end.

        What ever they plan on doing, I just want there to be a plan in place BEFORE they release it. These new movies have also had WAY WAY WAY too many behind the scenes problems and that has shown on screen, I mean… Solo!

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