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There’s been a ton of rumour and speculation about the resolution differences between upcoming multiplatform games for the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 – and it really is starting to look like Microsoft’s console just doesn’t have as much grunt under the hood as Sony’s.

For a while now, rumours have persisted that the Xbox One version of Call of Duty: Ghosts ran at a measly 720p, compared to the PlayStation 4’s 1080p. Infinity Ward’s Mark Rubin has now confirmed the rumour.

In a tweet, Rubin addressed the issue:

“Hey, been on the road last couple weeks so haven’t had a chance to update, but wanted to confirm that for Xbox One we’re 1080p upscaled from 720p. And, we’re native 1080p on PS4. We optimized each console to hit 60 FPS and the game looks great on both.”

It’s also recently been confirmed that Battlefield 4 on the Xbox One runs at 720p, and 900p on the PlayStation 4; which certainly says something of the difference in power between the two systems. Seems there’s now another reason to call Microsoft’s new console the Xbox 720.

Many are pointing the blame at the Xbox One’s ESRAM as a likely candidate for the discrepancy; working as a shuttle between buses and the slower DDR3 memory, it takes a little more tweaking to get things running at a decent pace. Like Sony’s Cell processor in the PS3, it’ll take a while before devs wrap their heads around how to use it most efficiently. On the PS4, the faster GDDR5 and simpler architecture make pushing pixels just that much easier.

I do posit, however, that in the end, for most consumers, the resolution difference won’t make much difference. It all comes down to games, and experiences – and on that front, I think both consoles will do just fine.

Last Updated: October 31, 2013

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157 Comments

  1. Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

    October 31, 2013 at 07:51

    I don’t think it’s a deal breaker for either tbh.

    But what I do find frustrating is that just a few months ago they were all saying that the next gen consoles are going to be stronger than the current gen of PC’s etc etc. Now it seems that that has been proven to be a lie with most games not being able to run at full 1080 on the consoles while PC’s have been doing it for a while.

    It just irks me that they hyped them so much only to have them fall short of the hype mark. That is bad for the industry as a whole. It leaves people with sour tastes in their mouths and just in general causes more interest to be lost on next gen console gaming than being gained. All because of bad PR and promises.

    Sorry. Just had to throw that out there and for the record I am not saying that the consoles are bad. I am simply saying that if they’d been more honest up front I think the next gen console reception would have been better on both sides of the fence as both consoles are great pieces of tech.

    Alas, PR let them all down.

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    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      October 31, 2013 at 08:17

      CHOO CHOO

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      • Mark Treloar

        October 31, 2013 at 08:30

        I think i can I think I can…but no.

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    • Captain GUZ

      October 31, 2013 at 08:43

      Its like when you go to mcdonalds, the burger never looks like it does on the sign…

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      • TiMsTeR1033

        October 31, 2013 at 08:46

        Never does! Only one place in whole life got burger the same as in picture… A wimpy in small little Dorpie.. Burger matched picture exactly!

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        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          October 31, 2013 at 08:52

          It was black & white?

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        • HvR

          October 31, 2013 at 09:10

          Mochachos, well at least the ones in the Cape, the burgers looks better than in the picture.

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        • ghost

          November 1, 2013 at 12:06

          Dude, do you even think before you post?

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    • Weanerdog

      October 31, 2013 at 09:05

      Look we all knew that the next gen were not going to really match top end PCs, however I do think that in time they will be able to push out the games at native 1080 at 60 fps. Hell if they can do 720 at what the current gen has under the hood, surly they can get 1080 on next gen, not that it really matters imo.

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      • Tim

        November 1, 2013 at 02:41

        Just to put perpective on how powerful the PS4 is, for Battlefield 4, the PS4 version is very competitive with the PC version, in fact a major German PC magazine PCGH recommends the PS4 version of BF4 over PC! Essentially, they praise the PS4 version as it is pretty much locked at 60FPS and you would have to spend 1000€ on a new PC to get the same quality and performance available on the 399€ PlayStation 4.

        So according to the biggest PC games magazine in Germany, you have to spend more than double the money on PC to match optimised games on PS4, that is from a PC gamer magazine.

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    • ToshZA

      October 31, 2013 at 09:19

      I agree regarding the PR – specifically MS in this iteration. They dropped the ball big time.

      However, I know that next-gen consoles are going to graphically kick my pc’s ass. It’s only a year old, and I have a 3770k and 16gb’s DDR1600 ram in here. GTX560. Next gen is going to make it look like a laptop from the 90’s. That’s a scary thought, because this machine cost twice as much as a console (at the next-gen prices). So while the resolution will be native 720p scaled to 1080p, the fidelity and quality will still put many pc’s to shame. The only exception being a top-end graphics card, which costs the same as a shiny new console. Excluding the rest of the lovely bits of tech needed to run a pc.

      So yeah, while the resolution isn’t up to PC standards, the quality certainly is, and it costs a lot more to get a PC to beat the consoles. In 2 or 3 years, that’ll change, but that’s just the nature of things.

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      • boet

        October 31, 2013 at 11:01

        ” the fidelity and quality will still put many pc’s to shame.” Your card is a mid level card thats 2 generations old. The new consoles wont be putting anything new to shame. Remember, the master race never said pc gaming is cheaper, only that its better. Personally Im dissapointed with the power of the new consoles, 720p, lol, what is this, 2005?

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        • ToshZA

          October 31, 2013 at 11:11

          New and mainstream, it’ll put them to shame man. Remember, the only thing that’d make a difference in my system is the card, and replacing with a mainstream R3.5k card is going to bring it close, but not quite the same as consoles.

          Please remember something here though, buying a new PC for R7k will get you nothing near the performance of a new console for the same price or less. You’d need to spend that on just your graphics card. I should’ve mentioned that was the basis of my point, sorry.

          Compare to new buyers – because that’s the fair comparison. They’d need to spend double the console’s price on a pc to reach similar quality. That will change in a few years, and because of that the console’s price will come down. That’s the cycle.

          Again, I should’ve specified I was basing my argument on the cost of a new machine.

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          • boet

            October 31, 2013 at 11:29

            If money is the main concern then consoles is the better deal, nobody can argue that. Nvidia and AMD just got into a new round of battle, droping prices and making the new consoles look even weaker. If you have the moola you can buy a 32inch 4k monitor and pair it up with a 780GTX or 2. Damn, imagine playing games on that. That is the true nextgen, not this 720p nonsense.

          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 11:32

            That would be awesome. And tbh I’d rather buy the new AMD R9. Titan-like performance for the price of a GTX780. Drop 2 of those in? BAM. Next gen is won before it begins. But who’s got R50k lying around?

          • boet

            October 31, 2013 at 11:50

            Nvidia dropped their prices, the 780 now comes in under the R9. Anyway, check this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pq321q-4k-gaming,3620.html And then lets not forget a little thing called Oculus Rift on the horizon. Lol, let the ‘nextgen’ consoles push 720p while the big boys get on with the real progress.

          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 11:53

            http://www.evetech.co.za/PC-Components/amd-radeon-hd-7000-series-graphcis-cards-39.aspx

            And compare to the nvidia prices on there. Bare in mind these are all overclocked, third party cards, not the stock ones. These are the ones we gamers actually want. 😛

            Here’s the review: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-components/graphics-cards/amd-radeon-r9-290x-1193597/review

            My money’s on the R9. But that card alone will be more than a console + 3 games.

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            October 31, 2013 at 14:16

            I don’t agree. For R3.5k now you get a clocked 760 that will beat the pants off of anything the consoles can push. The consoles have already been shown to have to turn off a lot of features (Watchdogs comparisons) so that it could run it whereas a PC running a 660 could easily handle the same graphics at better res and fidelity.

            A PC can cost you R7000 for a beast as long as you already have your keyboard/mouse/tower/screen. Those are things you almost never need to replace. No more or less than a screen/controller needs replacing for consoles.

            So in effect for R7k you can have a machine that can run everything current at better detail than the next gen consoles will be able to.

            And yes, PC graphics will grow and in a few sort years it will feel like your PC is old and can’t punch anymore but that isn’t true either. Low settings in 5 years time will be what current gen games high – ultra is. So your PC will still be able to run games at least at the quality it can now an entire generation later which will still match up to console quality.

            Yes, PC’s are expensive, but they don’t need to be. Yes, wanting to run PC games at ultra all the time will cost you. But if you are happy with it running at a specific quality for years and don’t mind seeing it constantly growing in graphic quality then it’s not so pricey.

            and yes, consoles grow in graphic ability as time moves along. But PC games do too and the tech gets streamlined and older cards will still be able to take advantage of many graphical enhancements just like a console can. The only differance is that PC gaming has a huge and fast moving graphical curve that one does not need to keep up with. Some want to but it’s not needed

            I hope I am making sense here. lol

          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 14:31

            Well man, I still have to disagree. Remember those comparisons are made against high-end pc’s – in the range of R20k or more. My box (current one) with the components inside (I didn’t need to replace anything else) was R14k, and its suffering under next gen. I bought it 1 year ago, so its not old. Next Gen is not mainstream PC as of yet, High-end definitely, and super high-end creams the consoles so bad. But it’s not mainstream, and not yet majority. A 760 might give a close rendition of the new consoles, in some games it’ll be neck & neck. But it won’t clearly beat it.

            Just a quick run-down on prices (at current rates):
            760, R3.5k
            Asus Z87 MB, R2.2k – R4.5k (so GFX + good MB = more expensive than a console already)
            i5 4670k, R2.8k (so even with a mid-range board, you’re already more expensive than a console – no box, PSU, RAM, HDD yet)

            And now AMD (graphics card already mentioned):
            Couldn’t find AMD on my usual website, evetech has a 6 core bundle with RAM, CPU and MB for R4.6k

            So in both instances, without many core PC components, in the mainstream category, you’re more expensive than a console. Neither of those machines are technically beasts, they’re mainstream. R12 – R15k range. So expect to pay that much, or maybe a touch more, for current next-gen console performance. This is my point. Half the price for the same quality graphically. Plus always-online DRM, updates, installs blabla normal PC vs Console crap, but who cares?

            It IS attainable today, with an upper mainstream PC, but its just so much more expensive. In a few years, these same machines will be old hat, and budget machines (R7k – R10k) will be on par, or slightly better than the next-gen we see today.

          • Mark Treloar

            October 31, 2013 at 14:54

            I have to disagree with you. I have a i5-2500, 8 gigs ram and GTX 760 and my PC is easily par or better than what next gen consoles are offering.

          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 15:08

            And how much does that all cost? Just the box, nothing else? About R10 – R12k right, depending on specials and the like? There’s my point. Cost vs cost, Console easily beats PC right now. As I said, a 760 with an upper mainstream setup (which you have, you’re not running an i3 or lower end i5, in fact your i5 is the top one, without the overclocking) you can reach current next-gen graphics.

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            October 31, 2013 at 15:59

            Rookie mistake taking such an expensive mobo so I shall forgive you 🙂

            My PC is an i7-2600 running with a 560Ti and 4GB DDR3 1600 RAM.

            It cost me 10.5K 3 years back. That was along with a new PSU because my previous one died and a full tower case (Which I will now never have to replace) which was a good R1.5K of that.

            So if I didn’t need the case and PSU I can take off almost 2.5K off of that price tag. So it cost me effectively R8K for the components (we are now taking in to consideration that my original statement was you don’t need to replace screen, KB/Mouse/PSU/Case)

            So R8K for a machine that is still running games at High on 1080 with 60FPS, 3 years later. 60FPS at ultra if in 720p res.

            So it’s still going strong and will still and is capable of at least the base garphic ability it is now and will have that base ability for a few years to come (In 3 years when current high settings are medium settings I will be running medium at 60FPS. See where I am going with this).

            There is a gross misunderstanding in buying PC components that lead to bloated prices.

            Here is a costing for you:

            Intel Core i5-4440,: R2100

            GTX 760 OC (Gigabyte): R3300
            RAM: Corsair XMS 2x8GB: R900
            Mobo: You can get any decent Mobo in the R1500 range and your performance diff between it and super high end mobos will be minimal. The only reason high end ones exist is if you want to overclock.Not for base performance increase.

            So you are looking at R7800 here. About R1K more than the expected release price of next gen and it will beat anything next gen consoles can do and will for some time. Also you can shave almost R2000 off there if you shop around (The biggest and most important thing to do when PC building) and perhaps have the ability to buy from Rectron and places like that.

            You make that R1k back in a year with PC game prices being cheaper.

            It’s a falicy that you must have a high end mobo and RAM to do well.

            My mobo cost me only R1200 of the entire PC back when I bought it (Gigabyte P67-UD4-B3). It was considered a low-mid range mobo and I still keep up now. My chip was big yes, top of the range i7-2600 Sandybridge (at the time. and the exchange rate was better). But only cost R2000 because I shopped around and found a special.

            At the end of the day I am not saying PC’s are better. Just saying they don’t work out more expensive than consoles do and they don’t need to because unlike consoles which get replaced each generation by a R6k – R7K unit, there are components you keep for years and years.

            Mobo and CPU can last an entire generation. The case stays the same. PSU only changes if you have to go beast like with SLI cards etc (Enthusiast which we are trying to avoid as an example). KB/Mouse/Screen etc.

            The only thing that might need to change is the GPU and remember I am saying that in a few years low, which it can and will handle, will look like now ultra and high so even that doesn’t need to be replaced.

            People often try to use enthusiasts as examples as to why PC’s are more pricey. But it’s wrong to do that.

            Bottom line is a R7k upgrade (which replaces mobo, RAM, GFX (Which use less power now than the previous gen ones did) and the CPU will keep up and beat next-gen consoles for a good while and yeah, by year 7 you will be playing on low settings but those lows will still look as good as todays ultra and a small R2k GFX upgrade at that point will put you back on high. That R2K is saved over the years due to the differance in game price per platform.

          • boet

            October 31, 2013 at 17:43

            Damn Sir Rants_a_lot, thats a long but very cool post, dont you work during the day?

          • Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

            November 1, 2013 at 06:52

            Lol. I do! I promise! I just had some free time 🙂

  2. Mike

    October 31, 2013 at 08:00

    MS Fail

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  3. ALKi1234

    October 31, 2013 at 08:05

    Now can we please put the PS4 vs XboxONE “power” to rest? It’s like Vita vs 3DS all over again( ok not that big of a gap but still).

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  4. Umar heartless

    October 31, 2013 at 08:10

    720pathetic

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  5. Melasco

    October 31, 2013 at 08:14

    XBOX 720 should have been the name it seems 😛

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    • Never Say No

      October 31, 2013 at 08:17

      Haai sies vir jou.

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    • oVg

      October 31, 2013 at 12:26

      The Wii U can do that.

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    • Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

      October 31, 2013 at 15:19

      It’s definitely an Xbone720 in my book.

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  6. Pieter Kruger

    October 31, 2013 at 08:19

    Nope this sucks! To be honest the difference is almost not noticeable and the Xbox One version even looks better to some but still, not putting in the effort to use the ESRAM (although this being launch titles and MS were still tweaking their console till very recently) is no excuse! I say boycott the lazy mofo’s till they fix their shit!

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    • CaptainNemo42

      October 31, 2013 at 08:23

      Wait, boycott who? The devs and publishers or Microsoft?

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      • Pieter Kruger

        October 31, 2013 at 08:26

        Devs, trust me they’ll fix their shit in no time!

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        • TiMsTeR1033

          October 31, 2013 at 08:32

          Cant fix something if the resources are not there…

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          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 09:14

            Resources are there, but the devs don’t know how to squeeze the most out of them yet I think. As Geoff said, its much like the Cell in PS3. It took a while before the devs figured out how the system works. PS4 is just easier to push pixels this time around, and devs were under pressure to get the launch titles out. These deadlines were MS & Sony’s, not their own. Maybe if they were given more time and experience, they’d match them up. The code will have to be different for both, unlike what that one dev said about them being the same.

            Seems the more things change, the more they stay the same.

        • CaptainNemo42

          October 31, 2013 at 08:33

          Not sure that will work. It will bite MS in the ass in the long run. If nobody buys games on the Xbox, where are they gonna go? PC and PS4 because the games on those platforms are better quality. Eventually no devs will be making games for the box because its not selling, so fewer people will buy Xboxes because there are fewer games available on that platform. It will end up like the PS Vita, probably a great console but with no games to play. Or any Nintendo for that matter, a console with only exclusives.

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          • Weanerdog

            October 31, 2013 at 09:08

            You do know that Nintendo Wii was the best selling console of last gen and that the Ds has shipped more units than you can shake a big stick at. You should specify Wii U as not selling.

          • CaptainNemo42

            October 31, 2013 at 11:43

            But the Gamecube failed. The Wii was successful because it had a gimmick that everybody fell for. And remember, Nintendo got a massive loyal fanbase, and has been making consoles for 200 years. They just bring out a new Pokémon and it sells 2 gazillion 3DS’.

            Neither Sony or MS has that luxury. I also get the sense that Nintendo doesn’t really play in the same playing field as the rest of them.

          • Weanerdog

            October 31, 2013 at 13:48

            My point is that the 3DS sells regardless and the Wii outsold everything, meaning what, that the best console with the best specs is not necessary the one who sells the most. Remember ‘mericans will buy the XO.

          • CaptainNemo42

            October 31, 2013 at 14:19

            I’ve been saying that all along. It is made by mericans for mericans, fuck the rest of us. Microsoft will sell 60 million Xbones and 50 million of those will be in the US while Sony will have the rest of the world as its market. It will be exactly the the same as with the current gen of consoles.

    • TiMsTeR1033

      October 31, 2013 at 08:27

      Think about it this way…. Things are not longer that simple anymore… We are getting MASSIVE games with tons of things in them and going on and moving.. The textures, the physics (cloth,hair) Water simulation, ect. All that PLUS high res textures all running on at 60 fps. plus to add to that make it in 1080p that DDR 3 RAM is feeling the burn! Sometimes sacrifices have to be made!

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      • veggiesaurus ZA

        October 31, 2013 at 08:40

        Don’t forget the fish! NEVER forget the fish!!!

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    • ALKi1234

      October 31, 2013 at 08:29

      Pieter i take back my comments i posted yesterday about Titanfall. You guys can have it,and i hope it never comes to PS4 coz you guys really need something to hold on to. And if it ever comes to PS4…..i promise on my rottweiler life i will never buy it.

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  7. TiMsTeR1033

    October 31, 2013 at 08:20

    This is just the start for the xbone i’m afraid… Yes sure they might get some great games because Ms has all this money to throw at developers saying “make it happen, and we make you rich!” DR3 is just the first of many exclusives for the Xbone…. but now here where the fun part begins… Multiplatform games are always gonna have a few more bells and whistles on the Ps4, simply because the DDR 3 and ESRAM are gonna have issues, not to mention GDDR 5 is new and DDR 3 been around for sometime already and will only age more as time goes on…

    Basically in a nutshell, I see the Ps4 pulling away more and more in this generation… Sure the games will always be good but how great will those Ps4 exclusives look when people see what that extra ommph really does..

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    • Umar heartless

      October 31, 2013 at 08:23

      Yeah, The Xbone is gonna need some serious calcium!

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      • TiMsTeR1033

        October 31, 2013 at 08:24

        I may not know that much, but I do know DDR 3 is old tech… It wasn’t the smartest idea using it, should of done the same as sony did if they wanted the lifespan and to keep up with how fast pcs are advancing…

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        • Umar heartless

          October 31, 2013 at 08:25

          They will make up for it with the power of the claud

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          • TiMsTeR1033

            October 31, 2013 at 08:30

            Cloud se gat! If thats the case they basically saying “we made a less powerful console, but will attempt to use cloud tech to help our games run what we need them to do, in 2 years if cloud is down no play.” plus have warning on back of game, needs broadband internet to run game..

          • CaptainNemo42

            October 31, 2013 at 08:35

            Isn’t that just another way of enforcing the “always online” thing they were punting earlier this year? O_O

          • TiMsTeR1033

            October 31, 2013 at 08:37

            Exactly… Still I don’t see cloud fixing anything! soo many million players, trying to load stuff at the same time… Internet speeds drop or servers get a bit unstable, game starts missing textures of more! Ms relying on the cloud is a stupid move..

  8. TiMsTeR1033

    October 31, 2013 at 08:22

    If there is the downvote troll lurking around again, seriously find a tall building and jump off! To be childish and downvote people and have a chuckle is flipping nursery school shit! So downvote troll grow a pair be mature…

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    • JWT-80

      October 31, 2013 at 08:26

      Sharing your sentiment so I’ve granted a one-up to even the score a little!

      (On the previous post, that is…)

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    • Mark Treloar

      October 31, 2013 at 08:45

      It Kyou, he’s still unhappy about the Pokemon and COD thing.

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      • TiMsTeR1033

        October 31, 2013 at 08:46

        Well the little wanker must go play with his tazzos or something.

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    • Willem Swanepoel

      October 31, 2013 at 09:44

      Do you get a special cookie if you have a certain amount of votes ?

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  9. RangerMossel

    October 31, 2013 at 08:31

    My PC has been able to run games on 1080p…for a while now.

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    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      October 31, 2013 at 08:43

      I’m finding this really funny this morning. Before it was all about how PCs are more powerful but consoles still look good, now they’re fighting about which console is the most powerful…. but they still look good lol Irony FTW!

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      • TiMsTeR1033

        October 31, 2013 at 08:44

        Tell me Trevor… From your pc knowledge isn’t DDR3 soon to become obsolete?

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        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          October 31, 2013 at 08:51

          It’s moving from DDR3 to DDR5. All the new stuff is DDR5. It’ll take years before it’s actually obsolete.

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          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 09:10

            Yeah DDR5 isn’t mainstream yet. Much like most new tech it takes a while to actually become mainstream. Tech upgrades faster then Darryn and a porn show, but replacing it takes forever.

          • HvR

            October 31, 2013 at 09:27

            DDR5 is already mainstream if you look at Nvidia and Radeon previous and new generation cards it is only the budget level cards that still have DDR3 since that is all what is needed for those cards due to the lower processing capabilities.

          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 09:31

            GDDR5 is mainstream, yes. But for normal RAM? Not even close. They’re configured differently and handle different things. So yeah. Sony just happens to use it for both, and because its a console, they actually can.

            PC’s can’t use GDDR5 for their main RAM.

          • HvR

            October 31, 2013 at 09:57

            Ok, we are on the same page. (G)DRR5 will never become main stream system RAM because it is the same DDR3 SDRAM that has been optimized for high bandwidth graphics applications by sacrificing latency, same for GDDR4.

            DDR3 (with no G) SDRAM will be replaced by DDR4 SDRAM, so far Intel are the only ones to have a tech prototype demonstration implementation for DDR4 SDRAM scheduled for soemtime next year.

            So expect DDR3 as system RAM and GDDR5 as graphics to be around for at least another 2 to 3 years

          • Willem Swanepoel

            October 31, 2013 at 10:12

            Dude, you are talking tooooo technical, a lot of the console fanboys will not understand this!! 🙂

          • HvR

            October 31, 2013 at 10:28

            I tend to do that sometimes 🙁

            How about a car analogy:

            DDR3 (current system RAM) is factory race car good in straight lines and corners well.
            GDDR5 (current GPU and PS4) is the same DDR3 factory car that has been dropped fitted with a fat turbo, big spoiler and soem shiny 21″ rims. Looks a lot faster, goes faster in a straight line but can not corner for shit.

            DDR4 is new factory car that is coming out in 2 years, you can see it in magazines and it will be showcased at the RAM race car show in next year.

          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 10:36

            Fantastic analogy. Deserves an upvote.

          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 10:16

            I do expect that time frame lol.

            They’ve tried some interesting things for RAM over the years though. Holographic RAM, RAM on a piece of wire. I wonder what happened to those bits of tech.

        • Willem Swanepoel

          October 31, 2013 at 09:47

          Dude, I have bad news for you, DDR5 will not make the nex-gen-mid-tolower-range-PC console better than PCs.

          Anyway, its like saying your cock is 2 inches bigger than mine but my cock is 6inches already. We both are enjoying it coz we got big dicks! 🙂

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        • HvR

          October 31, 2013 at 10:03

          People get confused since nobody puts the G in front of (G)DDR5 and (G)DDR4. Both these use DDR3 SDRAM.

          There is no DDR4 or DDR 5 RAM available yet, first DDR4 SDRAM demonstration chips and supported boards will only be showcased next year so expect DDR3 and GDDR5 to be around for at least another 2 to 3 years.

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        • Uberutang

          October 31, 2013 at 12:30

          GDDR5 vs DDR3. Not same things. That G is there for a reason. Also yes. DDr4 is on the map for the next 2 years.

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  10. Unavengedavo(aka. IceCreamMan)

    October 31, 2013 at 08:35

    They should call it the Xbox 1000… With all the talk of 180’s and 720’s 😛

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    • boet

      October 31, 2013 at 14:32

      Huh? you mean the xbone 900?

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  11. TiMsTeR1033

    October 31, 2013 at 08:35

    SERIOUSLY DOWNVOTE TROLL! GO AND FUCK YOURSELF! I am not in the mood for this shit today!!! If I find you I will shove a shotgun up your ass and give you a new one! So flipping immature! Go play on News 24 with those idiots on there… NOT LISS FOR YOUR BULLSHIT!

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    • Unavengedavo(aka. IceCreamMan)

      October 31, 2013 at 08:38

      I wish they showed a list of people that down vote in the same wat they do for up votes… Then these idiots won’t be able to hide!

      And I promise to try and be nice to you today 😛

      Reply

      • TiMsTeR1033

        October 31, 2013 at 08:40

        Ag dude its cool… Just having family issues today.. well not mine as to say. The wives parents.. So yeah kinda in kak mood..

        Reply

        • Timpoo1033

          October 31, 2013 at 08:54

          Brother, it’s just some bored person. Don’t bring your boo-hoo kak to a happy place.

          Reply

          • TiMsTeR1033

            October 31, 2013 at 09:04

            Just don’t man… You will open up a can of worms you can’t close..

          • Timpoo1033

            October 31, 2013 at 09:17

            And tell me how you going to do that over the interwebs?
            Don’t threaten guy, not good on Tanya’s rep.
            Itchy vag?

          • Sageville

            October 31, 2013 at 09:22

            I translate your comment into “Wat kyk jy!”

          • DaeMon

            October 31, 2013 at 14:43

            dude this is the internet…dont feed the trolls with a posts like these.

            so to reiterate – “Don’t bring your boo-hoo kak to a happy place”

            @Timpoo1033 ….I’m totally gona use that line from now on

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      October 31, 2013 at 08:39

      Suddenly I’m glad I decided against poking the bear 😉

      Reply

    • trueLies

      October 31, 2013 at 08:47

      why is TiMsTeR1033 so upset?

      Reply

    • Sageville

      October 31, 2013 at 09:17

      They’re just spineless cowards trying to pump some immature agenda. If they had spines they would give comments as to why they downvote. Instead they hide behind their anonymity like the yellow-bellies they are.

      See, they can’t say shit, they are unable to engage us on an adult level,

      Reply

    • Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

      October 31, 2013 at 12:46

      Don’t worry about the downvotes, they’re tallied as votes on your profile.

      Reply

  12. Martin du preez

    October 31, 2013 at 08:42

    You guys..this isn’t an issue. Once they flip the switch turning on dem cloudz it will be bumped up to 4K.

    inb4 down syndrome vote troll.

    Reply

    • Robert Infy Hart

      October 31, 2013 at 08:58

      Cloud running on our internet? I dont really think our 200ms ping to the MS cloud server is going to do great when you are expecting it to be generating your live graphics for you. Everything will be 200ms late to render!

      Reply

      • Martin du preez

        October 31, 2013 at 08:59

        Lol I was being sarcastic!

        Reply

  13. JHN

    October 31, 2013 at 08:42

    here it comes

    Reply

  14. Rudi

    October 31, 2013 at 08:45

    All this graphic power issues are mute guys! I have always been and will always be a PS fan, even though I owned the XB360 and was impressed by it always remain a Sony man first, my point here is this, I feel that there is larger concerns here for me. I was duped by Sony at the time of the Vita’s release, rushed out and had it in hand on the first day, the reason for my haste in purchase was one single function, so hyped, so bragged about as a key feature of the new Sony handheld, Cross Play. Now I could let the wife get to the telly without having to shut the game off, simply continue on my Vita, the amount of extra gaming hours was the holy grail for me…. I have yet to play a single title on cross-play, the marketing of next gen hardware is more focussed on how pretty your pixels will be and less on these much hyped functionalities, again I am excited about PS4 because it has been claimed that all titles will be Cross Play enabled, but will this be enough? I am already sceptical about this as I was duped once already by my favourite brand, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice…..

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  15. trueLies

    October 31, 2013 at 08:46

    Ah yes, months of rumours and its all TRUE.

    xbox is crap

    Reply

  16. TrajanZa

    October 31, 2013 at 08:47

    not a deal breaker, but ultimately you want to have the most bang for your buck. I like both systems, so just saying. MOre power is more power, and id buy a more powerful pc if i had a choice for it and a weaker one at the same price..MS seem to have slipped up a bit here.

    Reply

  17. Uberutang

    October 31, 2013 at 08:48

    This is what 720p native upscaled to 1080, vs 1080 native looks like in COD

    http://abload.de/img/kgiodtfb3ody.gif

    Reply

    • Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

      October 31, 2013 at 08:53

      that’s a faux comparison; that’s a 1080p screen, shrunk down to 720p and then compared with original – doesn’t take the XBO’s scaler in to effect /at all/ – so it gives a much worse comparison that it would in real world scenario.

      Reply

      • trueLies

        October 31, 2013 at 08:56

        Surely xbox’s lies to its potential customers is what is the worst thing here. So they demo games at E3 at 1080p but all there launch titles are at 720p.

        Reply

        • ToshZA

          October 31, 2013 at 09:29

          Ryse is 900p, and even the PS4 has a 900p game. So please, based on one title you’re assuming everything in future will run at 720p? Doubtful man.

          Just remember people, The Last of Us was at the end of a generation, and it was beautiful. Launch titles are the first foray into new hardware configurations, new software, new everything. There’s a lot of learning involved with making a launch title – and with learning comes mistakes. If you’re not making mistakes, you’re actually not learning.

          Lets talk in a year or 2 and see if this is still an issue. I’m going to guess not.

          Reply

          • trueLies

            October 31, 2013 at 10:20

            No lets rather talk about now, you know at launch when all the lies actually mean something and millions of people purchase consoles on launch day based on adverts and E3 videos….

            No one cares that its 720p (the game will be playable and look decent enough)what they do care about is that M$ lied about full HD in its next gen and in E3 demo vids.

            and wtf wants the kinect

          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 10:31

            Why bring up the kinect? That’s not a point of debate here.

            And how can you say they lied? The system IS capable of full HD. They just had to optimise to get 60fps. So instead of say 35fps (which is as fast as the human eye can see anyways – movies are 25fps, just saying) they went for the gamers pinnacle of 60fps. I don’t care, 35-40fps is still plenty plenty playable, and SMOOTH. So its us gamers that are to blame for the 720p, because 60fps. They didn’t want to sacrifice the fidelity and complexity of the world to attain that, so they dropped the resolution. With upscaling, I can assure you, 98% of people will not notice the difference.

          • trueLies

            October 31, 2013 at 10:38

            So capable just not that capable 😛

            So do you want a gaming console that has to compromise? and cant seem to keep pace with even the launch titles, especially when the hardware is so similar.

            And news flash sunshine the human eye can see way more than 25fps.
            25fps is “good enough” to trick the human mind into thinking its a moving picture.

            so sucksbox is “playable” as 35fps @ 720p

            and PS4 is butter smooth at 60fps @ 1080p

            and those silly “competitive” pc gamers run it at 100fps @ 1080p

            Is this still a discussion because now its just getting embarrassing.

          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 10:47

            Um. No, 720p is 60fps. You’re right, you should be embarrassed, making up stuff as you go along.

            No, after 35fps (which is where my argument for games was, please read my post again carefully – use a dictionary if necessary) it really makes no difference. So the 720p drop is so that they could get to 60fps. It would be 35-40fps at 1080p, which would look exactly the same as 60fps at 1080p. So, us gamers, who care about false numbers and not actual experiences, are to blame for the res, not the console. The console IS still capable of 1080p, but because the architecture is new, they weren’t able, in the time frame given, to get it to 60fps with that architecture. I do believe it is capable of doing so. Give it a year, and you’ll see no difference at all, even in numbers, between the 2 consoles.

            Think of it like this: PS4 is AT its full potential. Xbox STILL HAS some potential to reach. It was the other way around the last gen, and you know what? The most beautiful games came out on the console that started off the worst. I predict the Xbone to outshine the PS4 graphically in future.

          • trueLies

            October 31, 2013 at 10:55

            shh noob

            “Think of it like this: PS4 is AT its full potential. Xbox STILL HAS some potential to reach.”

            This might have been true for last gen as the devs where getting to grips with the new architecture, but this time the hardware is virtually the identical except xbox has DDR3 from the crusades and ps4 has DDR5 from the enterprise.

            This is just a xbox PR noob.

            hope u getting paid to lie.

          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 11:05

            Except that the architecture is different. You have to process and send information differently between them. There’s no difference with a Cell processor, just the information is different at different stages of the process. They have to be coded differently.

            I’m not an xbox PR person, I’m objective and don’t particularly like the baseless arguments of fanboiz such as yourself.

            Anyone who knows me, knows I’m leaning towards Sony, for many reasons. None of which include the 720p because it actually is going to make no difference on the experience. I still consider Xbone to be a strong contender – and I have no doubts that my gaming experience will be the same in game between the 2 consoles. I keep my decisions objective and fair, and that always leads me to the best choice.

            I guess that’s what people with brains do. I’m sorry, you don’t know what that’s like, do you?

          • Deano

            October 31, 2013 at 11:57

            Well said sir have a upvote, for your unbais view.

          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 12:00

            You know its weird. I was arguing on Sony’s behalf in the other thread, and here I’m arguing for MS. I don’t have double standards, its just that I hate closed mindedness. I get called a fan boy or PR rep either way. Whatever.

            Thanks for the compliment, dear sir.

          • trueLies

            October 31, 2013 at 12:01

            This is not about taking sides silly goose its about an unbiased view being presented to the public.

            No one cares about your superior fair and objective decisions. That’s called marketing speak, you have to say that because you don’t acknowledge the elephant in the room.

          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 12:04

            What? That I believe both consoles are as powerful as each other, and they just work differently and that’s the real issue here, not raw power? That I think both consoles will make little boys cream their pants with the next-gen graphics, so much so that nobody’s going to notice whether its 720p or 900p or 1080p?

            That’s a big elephant man. Can you handle the pressure?

          • trueLies

            October 31, 2013 at 12:39

            Yes what ever we do we must not in anyway note differences in each console and compare and draw conclusions, for the sake of the weaker console we should always keep the conversation positive and always claim its pointless even talking about the differences because little kids don’t even understand them.

            you are right we shouldn’t even have gaming articles just stories on how everything is equal and “good enough” is good enough.

          • iAmWeasel

            October 31, 2013 at 11:03

            Clearly you haven’t heard about the PS4’s lower level APIs which are as yet probably not used in these launch games and will improve performance even further once they are. PS: the human eye 25fps threshold thing which people state is a proven myth.

          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 11:06

            Ah, read again. I said, you won’t notice it. Seriously though, I’ve tried. After 35fps, you don’t notice the difference. And again, for games, I’ve stated 35fps. 25fps is just what PAL movie are done at. I used it to emphasise my 35fps point. Does nobody actually read?

          • iAmWeasel

            October 31, 2013 at 12:50

            Dude.. I can even see the difference between 60 and 100 fps. Get your eyes checked.

          • DaeMon

            October 31, 2013 at 15:01

            oh yes we read..but for gaming the framerate is a major concern….35fps is terrible compared to 60fps and VERY noticable.

            another mistake you clearly have is regarding the architecture…its almost exactly the same accross the consoles(Both are X86-64 AMD Jaguar)…with a major difference being the slower RAM of the Xbone.

          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 15:15

            Its not slower, its different. That’s the entire point. They, at their core, perform very different functions. So to get them to do the same end function requires different code, different approaches. GDDR5 is faster at GRAPHICS ONLY. DDR3 is better ALL AROUND. So, MS added the ESRAM to help it along with graphics ONLY. What that means for devs is that GDDR5 is normal for them to code for, its been around a while. But ESRAM + DDR3, that’s new architecture. That’s new. So they’ll need to learn how to best use it. Because of this architecture, I’m almost 100% sure that Xbox will be better at multitasking than a PS4, because GDDR ram is built for graphics grunt exclusively. Isn’t the other fluff a big selling point for both consoles? Eh, whatever, they’re different architectures with different core instruction sets. They need to be treated differently.

            And no, I’ve tried, a constant 35fps is smooth and 100% playable. 60fps is slightly smoother, but after 35fps the difference drops exponentially (use a dictionary). Remember, if they claim 60fps, and you see a game running at 35fps, I promise, without a side-by-side comparison, you will not see the difference. Again, this is my point. Its not 15fps (which is awful and unplayable), its 35fps, which is smooth and playable.

            Perhaps its not reading that’s the problem, merely comprehension and understanding.

          • DaeMon

            October 31, 2013 at 15:53

            it actually is slower…by quite a bit…even the speed of the ESRAM+DDR3 combination is slower than the GDDR5….so yes its probably going to be better for multitasking, but you still gona have drop off in speed.

            I dont dissagree that as the devs get more time with both systems we will get much better performance. but its very narrowminded to say the PS4 is at its top performance right off the bat.

    • oVg

      October 31, 2013 at 12:27

      What about the FPS?

      Reply

      • Uberutang

        October 31, 2013 at 12:32

        Still only 60, same as current gen.

        Reply

  18. Imventing

    October 31, 2013 at 08:56

    Sony = better hardware
    Microsoft = Better Software.
    Im fine with 720p, i dont play on anything bigger 30′ i wouldn’t see the difference between the both regardless.. People just like to hate for no fucking reason and they dont even represent the company. I’m still getting xbox one becuase xbox live will always be better. I just care for online gaming. If you’re just choosing a console base on specs thats fucking stupid.. get a console you know you’ll enjoy. Xbox has its own definition of next gen and its not based off the specs. if you want something with good specs go get a PC or some shit. For console gaming its really innovative to be able to have access to multiple features while playing a game. It took sony 8 years just to add party chat, but they had blu ray first. catch my drift. What does pre orders statistics have anything to do with me deciding on what console i want to buy? People really have stupid opinions on why they want a ps4 others dont even have a reason and just hop on the bandwagon. The only possible reason i could understand is the price difference that even drawed me to the ps4 but i thought about it and did my research. I’m not a fan boy i own both a ps3 and 360 and my ps3 collects dust because online gaming isn’t even up to par with xbox live.

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    • trueLies

      October 31, 2013 at 08:58

      Please xbox PR kiddie, stop using the “i own both” mantra to try and give you PR blurb more weight.

      M$ lied and are trying to push inferior hardware on the xbox noobs

      Reply

      • Imventing

        October 31, 2013 at 08:59

        kiddie? bro shut the fuck up.. why are you buying a ps4? what will make you enjoy it? why do you even game ?

        Reply

      • Observer

        October 31, 2013 at 09:09

        Master race! I love seeing how you guys do this schoolyard battles 😉
        Sony has more pixels, with a Blu-Ray drive that needs to be activated along with a whole lot of other features. Have you ever thought of the fact that they might have that patch to fix a few things? That they are shipping off broken consoles? Discuss that.
        Xbox has less pixels, might have lied to customers. The cloud etc. etc.
        Do both play GAMES? Do they offer a proper gaming EXPERIENCE?
        Here’s the thing children, as long as you both are happy and can play GAMES…
        WHO GIVES A SHIT?
        Now if you will go excuse me, I have a game I bought for my pc over a year ago. Have not played it yet, but I am told it runs at 1080p.

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    • Robert Infy Hart

      October 31, 2013 at 08:59

      Xbox 360 had better software than the PS3. We dont yet know which of the next gen consoles will have better software.

      Reply

      • Imventing

        October 31, 2013 at 09:00

        Microsoft is known for better software, but you’re right.

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        • Mark Treloar

          October 31, 2013 at 09:10

          Really? so Windows is awesome then?

          Reply

          • Imventing

            October 31, 2013 at 09:14

            does sony have an operating system to compare it to? because last time i check the comparison was between sony and Microsoft excluding other companies.

          • Mark Treloar

            October 31, 2013 at 09:40

            Well lets see Sony reserves 1gig ram for OS vs MS 3gig. Sorry but MS bloatware doesn’t equal a win.

  19. trueLies

    October 31, 2013 at 08:56

    Waiting for that turd of a PR manager for Xbox to pop up and defend this. He was very quick to defend the rumour and called us trolls…

    Ah where is that little patsy now….

    Reply

  20. Sageville

    October 31, 2013 at 09:07

    Every Console related topic comment gets an instant downvote now.

    Reply

    • JHN

      October 31, 2013 at 10:01

      yeah dude but I mean in the grand scheme of things who gives a shit about downvotes,

      Reply

      • Sageville

        October 31, 2013 at 10:02

        Me obviously.

        Reply

        • JHN

          October 31, 2013 at 10:10

          Try not to let it bug you, shit happens dude

          Reply

  21. FoxOneZA

    October 31, 2013 at 09:23

    Like it or not, textures won’t look sharp enough at720p. I would really like to know if devs are pointing at the ESRAM or the current state of the monodriver. 720p is Wii U territory.

    And just to rub it in, the next Donkey Kong will run at 1080p 😛

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  22. CypherGate

    October 31, 2013 at 09:41

    I dont think this should be a deciding factor on which console to play a specific game as it comes down to which console has the best games, but apart from my oppinion…. WHAT DOES THE FOX SAY?

    Reply

  23. Willem Swanepoel

    October 31, 2013 at 09:42

    720p and 1080p pretty much makes a big difference once you look at a 55″ TV or bigger.

    If you have a 42″ and you stand like 3-4 meters away then you will not see a big difference.

    I am still deciding on this.. should buy a 3TB HDD and a new graphics card Asus Nvidia Geforce GTX 660 DirectCU 2 for my PC for the new games coming out or should I wait a bit and hope the rand exchange gets better …

    hmmm

    ;-)~

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    • ToshZA

      October 31, 2013 at 10:34

      Get the 760 man, the 660 is a waste. Really, its a waste in both performance and money. They redeemed themselves with the 760. The MSI gaming edition is well priced too.

      Reply

      • Maxiviper117

        October 31, 2013 at 12:02

        660 Ti is pretty capable

        Reply

        • ToshZA

          October 31, 2013 at 12:11

          Compared to a 760 for a few hundred randela’s more? Not so much. For future proofing, its better to spend the extra money on a 760.

          Reply

          • Maxiviper117

            October 31, 2013 at 12:30

            Ya but for my R16500 budget, i could not afford a 760, 760 is only slightly faster but ya its better to get it, When I have more money ill sell my 660 ti and get a 760 or 770

          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 12:35

            Yeah, I need to upgrade from my 560, and I’m looking at a 760 atm. R600 more seems worth it to me, but the extra 2k for a 770 is a bit out of reach on my budget.

          • Maxiviper117

            October 31, 2013 at 12:38

            And if you sell the 560 ?

          • ToshZA

            October 31, 2013 at 12:42

            It’ll go to my sister, selling isn’t an option. 🙂

          • Maxiviper117

            October 31, 2013 at 12:56

            http://www.bf4blog.com/battlefield-4-retail-gpu-cpu-benchmarks/

            Here is Bf4 retail benchmark for gpu’s, the 760 is like on average 2 frames per second faster.

          • Maxiviper117

            October 31, 2013 at 12:40

            But atm my 660 Ti did a impressive job at running BF4 beta at between high to ultra settings at 70 to 80% resolution scale at 60 Fps average, and the beta was not fully optimized. So im sure i can push it even more on the final release tomorrow.

    • boet

      October 31, 2013 at 11:17

      You can get a 770GTX for 300 euros(thats that R4000?). Sounds like a good deal.

      Reply

  24. oVg

    October 31, 2013 at 10:11

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA Xbone 720

    So … It runs at the same resolution as the Wii U then.

    http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1pkcwq/infinity_wards_mark_rubin_confirms_that_cod/

    Reply

  25. JHN

    October 31, 2013 at 10:52

    Yup still want the X1 more than the PS4

    Reply

    • Deano

      October 31, 2013 at 11:54

      Consoles are all about games. 720 or 1080p its all about the games.
      I still would like to see if this is going to be the norm on the Xone or if its just the first few multi-platform games.

      Reply

  26. Rags

    October 31, 2013 at 10:59

    Lol, love being a PC gamer right now. Watching console gamers fight over who has the best old tech and least bloated OS just makes me 🙂

    Reply

  27. Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

    October 31, 2013 at 12:25

    Resolution-gate is the least of the xbone720s problems. The worst rumour (and one that was always leaked by the Neogaf folk) is the possibility that the bone’s OS isn’t finished, and completely unstable. Since it’s now been confirmed that the xbone is indeed a xbone720, I’ll be waiting to see if launchday’s going to be Tears day!

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    • iAmWeasel

      October 31, 2013 at 12:53

      Considering that COD is Xbox’s flagship title, this is an absolute shocker. 1080p is more than 100% more pixels than 720.. shame on you MS.. SHAME ON YOU.

      Reply

      • Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

        October 31, 2013 at 15:27

        Yeah, ESRAM is probably the culprit, but trolling aside, I think once developers get a handle on it, we’ll see definite improvements. But I still worry about the OS side though. It sounds like the bone will eventually need an OS overhaul.

        Reply

    • Deano

      October 31, 2013 at 14:56

      Last time I checked Titanfall 720p is better than no titanfall on ps4 😛
      #Tears4jim

      Reply

      • Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

        October 31, 2013 at 15:16

        Apparently Titanfall is going to be 1080p on PC though, so what’s up with the Bone? Why is it that the Wii-U can output 1080 and the Bone can’t? At this stage the Bone is essentially an Xbox 360.5

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        • Deano

          October 31, 2013 at 15:48

          the above is rather dissapointing I wont lie, but Titanfall has not yet been confirmed 720p

          Reply

  28. wormywyrm

    October 31, 2013 at 12:55

    Not a deal breaker, they still have the same graphics performance as far as I am concerned until I personally see a difference in graphics after viewing several games from each including exclusive titles. Chances are COD just was not optimized to xbox as well as it was to ps4 due to the devs abilities.

    Reply

    • iAmWeasel

      October 31, 2013 at 12:59

      COD is not the only game rendering at 720p on the Bone. Ah well, I fully expect all the blinkered faithful to still fork out that R8000.

      Reply

      • wormywyrm

        October 31, 2013 at 13:55

        The only ‘blinkered faithful’ here is you. People wont take your comments seriously when you call one of the consoles ‘bone’, its a dead give away that you are trolling. How can you know I am not a ‘faithful’? I have never owned an xbox before or lived in a house with one, but I am thinking about getting an xbox this gen.

        Reply

        • iAmWeasel

          October 31, 2013 at 16:59

          I’m the faithful one? Faithful to what?? I don’t own a Sony console and have been exclusively playing Xbox 360 for the past 5 years. In all honesty I’ll probably still get an Xbone in a year or two when they’ve changed things. I’m just objective enough to switch and change to whatever unit looks like the best option at the time.

          Reply

  29. Wraith

    October 31, 2013 at 13:05

    ‘staring’… hidden Kinect reference 😀

    Reply

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