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I write a lot about the MSSA and some of you feel it is because I have a personal vendetta or I’m simply a man on a mission about it so I thought I’d post you a snippet of my personal Skype chat with someone who tipped me off to something yesterday.

It all started at 10:35am yesterday morning

Secret Informant: Just wanted to put it out there that the team being used  did not all qualify through nationals or rather… did not qualify through the League of Legends qualifiers the team being used is using Dota players who have no League of Legends experience whatsoever

Gavin Mannion: (facepalm)

Secret Informant: 2 of the players, including our Dota 2 national captain…

Gavin Mannion: so Anthony’s in the LoL team as well?

Secret Informant: I do believe so you would have to verify (I did), but that is what I am hearing

Gavin Mannion: ergh it just feels so pointless.. the MSSA don’t care what anyone thinks

Secret Informant: Even so, I think the community deserves to know these things so they don’t actually waste their time watching, Especially as we get stomped because we have players who haven’t even played the game

To be honest I still don’t actually want to even get into this; we’re as tired of this whole fiasco as many of you are.  I spoke to Anthony Hodgson, DOTA 2 team captain, about this and he has confirmed that he and one other Bravado player is playing in the LoL team because they didn’t have a full, eligible League of Legends team to play against Israel and Denmark and DOTA 2 is the closest game to LoL.

Doing my duty I shot off an email to Colin Webster, President of the MSSA, and at the time of going to press I have not yet received any answer.

From what I’ve been able to find out – still waiting on official confirmation – there were no League of Legend trials and the reason two Bravado people are in the team is because the two people previously selected are not in possession of a valid passport (in accordance with SASCOC rules), and were not given enough notice to get a passport.

What I’d love to know is whether or not there are other LoL players in the country, who have a current passport, who are better than these stand-ins?

Interestingly this LoL match is being held on Saturday at the same time as our planned matches for Energy and Bravado to play the Mexican teams. Energy have confirmed they are still up and ready to play but Anthony doesn’t feel Bravado has anything to prove and they can make a team up to compete or we can get someone else.

So I’m thinking we just change this to be the best South African team against the best Mexican team. Energy dominated at rAge this year to the delight of their sponsors, Steelseries, Monster, Proline, AMD and IS Gaming.

I honestly believe this professional team setup with solid backing will put our best foot forward against the Mexicans and truly represent what local eSports is all about. Details for the live streaming will be posted later this week but make sure to keep Saturday 7pm free for an entertaining livestream.

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[Update] I just received this anonymous email

Pro-tip, although your war with the MSSA seems to be on hold, you may find it interesting what the MSSA are planning to do with regards to League of Legends and a certain tour to Romania…

So yeah it seems that people do care. Also we are not at war with the MSSA, I am simply reporting on something that I am seeing which doesn’t sit right.

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Last Updated: October 8, 2013

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73 Comments

  1. Sageville

    October 8, 2013 at 09:37

    ZZzzzzz

    Reply

    • TiMsTeR1033

      October 8, 2013 at 09:42

      WAKE UP!!!!!

      Reply

      • Umar ZoMg Reiner

        October 8, 2013 at 09:44

        GRAB A BRUSH AND PUT A LITTLE, MAKEUP!!!!

        Reply

        • Admiral Chief of Rivia

          October 8, 2013 at 09:47

          WHY’D YOU LEAVE THE KEYS UP ON THE TABLE?

          Reply

          • Umar ZoMg Reiner

            October 8, 2013 at 09:49

            HERE YOU GO CREATE ANOTHER FABLE

          • TiMsTeR1033

            October 8, 2013 at 09:53

            I DON’T THINK YOU TRUST
            IN MY SELF RIGHTEOUS SUICIDE!

          • Umar ZoMg Reiner

            October 8, 2013 at 09:54

            WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN…TIM!!! WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN!!!!!….ME!!!!!!!!!!…..
            ahem

          • TiMsTeR1033

            October 8, 2013 at 09:58

            BECAUSE THOSE CLOWNS DESERVED TO DIE….

          • Umar ZoMg Reiner

            October 8, 2013 at 09:59

            I CRY WHEN MSSA USES DOTA PLAYERS FOR LOL!!!!

          • TiMsTeR1033

            October 8, 2013 at 10:00

            HAHAHA

          • Unavengedavo (aka. Frik)

            October 8, 2013 at 11:14

            Noooooooo! Not the midget clowns… Who is going to satisfy those horses now?

          • Admiral Chief of Rivia

            October 8, 2013 at 09:59

            Conversion, software version 7.0

          • Paul Fouche

            October 8, 2013 at 09:52

            always thought it was .. ketchup .. not keys up 😛

    • Otto_ki

      October 8, 2013 at 09:49

      THE NUMBERS MASON!!!!

      Reply

  2. Admiral Chief of Rivia

    October 8, 2013 at 09:39

    (facepalm)

    Reply

    • Otto_ki

      October 8, 2013 at 09:40

      ditto

      Reply

      • Admiral Chief of Rivia

        October 8, 2013 at 09:47

        Still love dat avatar of yours.

        Adventure Time FTW

        Reply

        • Otto_ki

          October 8, 2013 at 09:49

          Why thank you Good sir Admiral Chief 🙂

          Reply

  3. HighlanderZA

    October 8, 2013 at 09:40

    Ai tog!

    Reply

  4. Tarisma

    October 8, 2013 at 09:59

    And in other news badminton players have been drafted in to the Davis cup team

    Reply

    • Admiral Chief of Rivia

      October 8, 2013 at 10:00

      I’d watch that

      Reply

      • Dowloadable content John

        October 8, 2013 at 10:00

        ION participant badminton, yes.

        Reply

        • Admiral Chief of Rivia

          October 8, 2013 at 10:01

          mmmmmmmm, with after match shower rematch

          Reply

          • Dowloadable content John

            October 8, 2013 at 10:02

            I’d ref that

          • Admiral Chief of Rivia

            October 8, 2013 at 10:03

            I’ll break up the fights

          • TiMsTeR1033

            October 8, 2013 at 10:03

            haha

          • Unavengedavo (aka. Frik)

            October 8, 2013 at 11:11

            Break up? Why not join in?

          • Admiral Chief of Rivia

            October 8, 2013 at 11:12

            Oh, you misunderstand what I mean about breaking the fight up. There will be lots of touching to get them away from each other

          • Unavengedavo (aka. Frik)

            October 8, 2013 at 11:13

            I’d prefer rolling around between them…

          • Admiral Chief of Rivia

            October 8, 2013 at 11:21

            [insert motorboat sounds here]

      • Kromas

        October 8, 2013 at 10:01

        Anyone else hoping our netball team becomes the new Bokke and that their first game is on a very rainy day? Will double support for our rugby team. 😛

        Reply

        • Admiral Chief of Rivia

          October 8, 2013 at 10:02

          They won’t be called bokke unfortunately. For some obscure reason that is not acceptable

          Reply

    • TiMsTeR1033

      October 8, 2013 at 10:02

      Also Tiger Woods befriends squirrel at Presidents Cup

      Reply

      • Dowloadable content John

        October 8, 2013 at 10:06

        I’d be careful if I was the squirrel. Tiger Woods is known to chase tail.

        Reply

        • Admiral Chief of Rivia

          October 8, 2013 at 10:09

          hah

          Reply

        • NecroRince

          October 8, 2013 at 10:10

          Indeed he likes to chase tail, but with a 9 iron in the back window usually ends in fail.

          Reply

          • Admiral Chief of Rivia

            October 8, 2013 at 10:12

            Even though that sounds naughty, it really isn’t

    • Brady miaau

      October 8, 2013 at 10:14

      But that is stupid. You see Badmington requires a lot of wrist action and extremely quick movement around the court.

      Tennis, while still being a game played with a “bat” and a “cock”, uses different equipment, requires different technique to hit the, let us call it a “ball”, around the court. Which is not sandy.

      No, no, sorry that would never work.

      Why that would be as silly as taking experts in, say Dota, and then having them play, say, LOL.

      Man, not a good morning for me! Sarcasm is my only recourse.

      (Awesome post Tarisma)

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      • Skyblue

        October 8, 2013 at 10:55

        “You’z be sounding like a Batty Boy”

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        • Brady miaau

          October 8, 2013 at 11:43

          I is a Batty Boy!

          Um, what is a Batty Boy?

          Reply

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            October 8, 2013 at 11:55

            Cricketers I guess, they play with bats.

          • Brady miaau

            October 8, 2013 at 12:56

            Ok. Then I AM NOT A BATTY BOY.

            Damn, not even close. Shudder.

            Not for me

      • Unavengedavo (aka. Frik)

        October 8, 2013 at 11:19

        I quickly glanced through your post and all my eyes caught were ” a lot of wrist action and extremely quick movement” and “cock”

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        • Brady miaau

          October 8, 2013 at 11:28

          All unintended I assure you

          Reply

          • Unavengedavo (aka. Frik)

            October 8, 2013 at 11:32

            right…

  5. NecroRince

    October 8, 2013 at 10:23

    It’s like a frigging Tom Clancy (RIP) Novel this whole thing. But would Gavin be the bald guy with a white cat in his arms? Or the bald one humping lasers? 0-O

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    • Gavin Mannion

      October 8, 2013 at 10:31

      humping lasers… I’m not a cat person

      Reply

      • NecroRince

        October 8, 2013 at 10:42

        BWAHAHAHHAHA

        Reply

      • Unavengedavo (aka. Frik)

        October 8, 2013 at 11:12

        So are you saying you don’t like pussy… cats?

        Reply

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        October 8, 2013 at 11:53

        You might change your mind once you find out “lasers” is Rince’s nickname for himself.

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      • Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

        October 8, 2013 at 12:16

        Hahahaha

        Reply

  6. Hammersteyn

    October 8, 2013 at 10:29

    • Sageville

      October 8, 2013 at 10:38

      Necks, overrated.

      Reply

  7. Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew

    October 8, 2013 at 10:35

    That’s not cool at all. Just because Dota2 is similar to LoL in the basics it doesn’t mean the players are simply interchangeable.

    Reply

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      October 8, 2013 at 11:35

      I think this is a positive development. Now we only have to have one team for any FPS games, sports games that are played with balls, driving games, etc. Because they’re all the same.

      Reply

      • Gavin Mannion

        October 8, 2013 at 11:36

        I agree I think it’s a great way to optimise our resources..

        and make sure our friends get overseas trips instead of the best players…

        Reply

  8. UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

    October 8, 2013 at 10:45

    Don’t really see the problem here… DOTA players will play LoL better than LoL players anyway trolololol

    Reply

    • Estian Hough

      October 8, 2013 at 10:45

      Ray WIlliam Johnson does not approve of this message.

      Reply

  9. janseng

    October 8, 2013 at 10:51

    My lol team missed out the provincial trails, as
    they had uni exams, ( they are 6th in the DGL premier division) .We
    are registered with MSSA and i asked colin webster if we could attend the
    national trails, he said there is no way as we had to played in the provincial trails.

    So he picks dota players above a team that was willing to qualify. Really really sad

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    • Tarisma

      October 8, 2013 at 10:54

      That is pretty sad hey. Also I would assume the majority of SA’s esports athletes are in university or school, why would trials be held in the October/November, June/July months?

      Reply

      • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

        October 8, 2013 at 14:31

        Because…. logic. That’s why. Sigh.

        Reply

  10. Cabbit

    October 8, 2013 at 12:04

    It’s sad, but none to surprising with all the previous history these particular people have. Best solution in my mind is still what most other international teams do, stand out on your own with proper sponsors. Create your own team and make a mark on the international circuit by taking part in online tournaments. While it would be great for a nation side to actually be the best team available in the country, that isn’t and probably will never be the case.

    But it does still amaze me how one particular team can drag their name through the mud and lose all the respect of a community they should be uplifting and not exploiting. The professional gaming side is going through a lot of growing pains, least we’re getting a good example of what not to do in the future.

    I just hope everyone gets through this for the better and that it continues to grow in popularity and professionalism. I hope one day to be able to watch an international game and support a South African team that got there on their own merits. My two cents at least.

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  11. Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

    October 8, 2013 at 12:07

    I think Detective Inspector Lazy has definitely showcased their sleuthing skills. It elevated this little website, and gave the Lazy bunch some credibility, but sometimes less is more. Too much emphasis on the MSSA and regardless of that organisation being a skid mark – among a laundry basket of skid marks (government after all), it starts to smell like media bullying or even a personal vendetta.

    Also there are other cases that needs investigating, like the barrage of PR crap that’s been spewing from Microsoft about the xbone. I mean Microsoft has really gone full retard lately (even trying to insinuate that the PS4’s RAM could lead to problems), and the only people who seem to slam them on the lying knuckles? Neogaf and Ars.

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      October 8, 2013 at 12:09

      links?
      Also remember we have a duty to report on eSports and the MSSA is only a smallportion of that coverage. But Xbox One stuff is covered quite heavily by other articles

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      • Brady miaau

        October 8, 2013 at 12:56

        I think Xbox One has been covered slightly more than PS4, in fact.

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    • Skyblue

      October 8, 2013 at 12:35

      I have read more than enough negativity about M$ and the X1 on many gaming sites including LG. LG’s community also consists of mostly P$4 fans which has lead to daily vitriol aimed at M$ through the comments section since the reveal back in May this year which has included many comments by yourself which could be construed as… personal vendetta? ;-p

      I think most gamer’s have made up their minds about which console they’re interested in with the only remaining sway factor being games now. I couldn’t care less what M$ have to say about $ony or vice-versa anymore as it’s all just marketing crap at this stage and I’m an idiot who will still end up owning both when the exclusives justify the purchase.

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    • Brady miaau

      October 8, 2013 at 12:55

      Yeah, I think your count of articles visa ve the # of MSSA ones vs others, like Xbox One (show some respect, seriously! or not) is not correct.

      I share Gavin’s frustration in the matter: the situation is not changing and is just carrying on with no apparent change. Years ago I heard the same stuff from my friends, rules being flouted as to who gets picked, silly tournaments, results of trials discarded or ignored, other stuff like that.

      Is Gavin part of the news or delivering the news? I think, at this stage, he is keeping it very on the level, so to speak, and is reporting what happens when he requests information and putting direct quotes up.

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  12. SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

    October 8, 2013 at 14:32

    Seriously. How do we start a petition to get these ludicrous buffoons just completely axed? Surely if we don’t think they’re doing an effective job there ought to be some recourse? Surely our criticisms can be heard by people that matter? Shit. If you start fucking with the Springboks the way these people are fucking with eSports, the entirety of Bloemfontein will be coming for you!

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    • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

      October 8, 2013 at 14:35

      Excuse the language. But this is why no one takes gamers seriously. Because the people representing us don’t take our athletes (and eSort in general) seriously. This is a travesty of the greatest proportions. Not even Nero could burn down local eSports as fast as the MSSA is.

      While gaming is a hobby for many here, I see no reason why we ought to be treated like errant children who have spent too much time in front of the tv and not enough time outside in the sun (without supervision – I might add). Everytime the MSSA release a statement, I really get the feeling that they think we’re all a) stupid and b) thirteen.

      Reply

  13. Lolplayer

    October 8, 2013 at 14:40

    #free holiday

    Reply

  14. B4d R0b0t

    October 8, 2013 at 14:58

    Yes Energy is the best choice, they are from top to bottom a very pro team. They also behave like one. Lets try give them support, you do not have to even like LOL, it’s about us gamers looking after each other. Keep us posted Lazygamer!

    Reply

  15. Congo

    October 8, 2013 at 15:10

    I’ll be shout-casting these games 🙂 Looking forward to it! (Dota 2 vs. Mexico that is)

    Reply

  16. SangSang

    October 8, 2013 at 21:44

    I almost cared, but then i read LOL

    Reply

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