Home Gaming FFD: Is it time to drop last-gen?

FFD: Is it time to drop last-gen?

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No, we’re not discussing Titanfall. For a while now, I think console games, or more specifically, the last generation of consoles, have been holding videogames (yes, even PC ones!) back. It’s one reason why the uptake of this newest generation of machines has been unprecedented, with a combined total of nearly 10 million PlayStation 4’s and Xbox Ones in homes already. 

I for one, was pretty glad when Rocksteady and Warner announced that they’d be skipping the Xbox 360 and PS3 – which they say means they’re less “reined in” with what they’re trying to do.

“Obviously, you see a lot of games that are cross-gen, and they feel a bit reined in because of that,” said Rocksteady’s Arkham Knight game director Sefton Hill to Gameinformer. “Because we were able to make that decision quite early, we were able to be more ambitious with the design and make a real, genuine next-gen game.”

We’ve seen a number of cross-gen games so far; stuff like Battlefield 4, Assassin’s Creed IV and even Call of Duty: Ghosts; games that all look superb on the new machines and yet you’re still left with a feeling that if cross-generational considerations weren’t in place, they’d be larger, grander affairs with improved visuals, better AI and more convincing worlds

Of course, videogaming is a business – and with the last consoles each having sold a combined total of around 140 million units, that’s where the money is. Only it’s not really. Looking at sales figures for games, sales of Xbox 360 and Ps3 games are in pretty rapid decline – especially where “next gen” version of those games exist.

While Microsoft dropped support for the original Xbox pretty much as soon as the Xbox 360 was released, the PlayStation 2 was supported for a few years after its successor’s release. Should MS, Sony and game publishers even bother though?

Rocksteady’s decision to drop the old consoles is a brave one – for the sake of the games, should developers, publishers and platform holder do the same?

Last Updated: March 7, 2014

257 Comments

  1. Rags

    March 7, 2014 at 10:33

    No. For the PC gamer the xbox One and PS4 are quite last gen. 😛

    Reply

    • General JJ the Fett

      March 7, 2014 at 10:33

      Wow dude. You must read like the flash.
      But agreed

      Reply

      • Rags

        March 7, 2014 at 10:41

        Only read the title 😛

        Reply

        • General JJ the Fett

          March 7, 2014 at 11:02

          Haha. Fair enough.

          Reply

  2. Brian Murphy

    March 7, 2014 at 10:34

    “with nearly a combined total of nearly 10 million PlayStation 4’s and Xbox Ones in homes already. ”

    Are you sure it’s nearly that high, nearly? 🙂

    Reply

  3. Hammersteyn

    March 7, 2014 at 10:34

    It’s not really up to us to decide. If the industry stops make games for the PS3 then we have no choice but to move on.

    Reply

    • Brian Murphy

      March 7, 2014 at 10:35

      Agreed, even though there’s a ton of new hardware out there for PC and the newish gen consoles, telling devs what to do is not my cup of tea. I prefer letting them give me games, and I play the ones I like.

      Reply

  4. General JJ the Fett

    March 7, 2014 at 10:34

    I’m not a console gamer, but I don’t think you can ever just let go of the last gen. So many great games you never got to play. Graphics isn’t everything.

    Reply

  5. Umar Praise The Golden Sun

    March 7, 2014 at 10:35

    Yup they should. Do whatever is planned on last gen and then move on to next gen,in all honesty nothing at all makes me want to go next gen. I’m not gonna buy a next gen console for cross gen games

    Reply

  6. RinceThis

    March 7, 2014 at 10:36

    Hate to say it but yes. Move on chaps. I have an Xbox 360 and there are still many games I want. I then want a PS3, loads of games I want on that. THEN, I will move on up!

    Reply

    • oVg PAYNE

      March 7, 2014 at 10:55

      If the PS4 was backward compatible = instant install base from 360 owners.
      I NEED ME SOME LAST OF US

      Reply

      • derp

        March 7, 2014 at 11:28

        But then it would be more expensive…

        Reply

        • oVg PAYNE

          March 7, 2014 at 11:59

          The first 60Gig PS3 not only had the new Blue Ray drive but also had the PS2 chip inside all for $600.
          Then they realized they can make more money by making HD versions of PS2 games 🙁

          Reply

    • Rock789

      March 7, 2014 at 11:55

      That’s a good 30 – 40 years from now, right? 😉 :p **runs**

      Reply

  7. oVg PAYNE

    March 7, 2014 at 10:36

    🙂 I save this video for Monday Mornings 🙂

    Reply

    • RinceThis

      March 7, 2014 at 10:38

      WTF!? haha

      Reply

    • Hammersteyn

      March 7, 2014 at 10:40

      THIS!

      Reply

    • ToshZA

      March 7, 2014 at 10:47

      LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!! Epic win.

      Reply

    • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

      March 7, 2014 at 10:52

      This shouldn’t fit… Uh… That’s what she said?

      Reply

    • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

      March 7, 2014 at 10:56

      THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT!!!

      Reply

      • oVg PAYNE

        March 7, 2014 at 11:00

        I am busy playing Golden Sun on the GBA at the mo 🙂
        Super JRPG 🙂 Not bad for 2001

        Reply

        • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

          March 7, 2014 at 11:18

          Great RPG man, only gets more fun once you get more Djinn. for a GBA game I though it was brilliant

          Reply

          • oVg PAYNE

            March 7, 2014 at 11:21

            Also quite hard, I got my ass handed to me at the lighthouse.
            NEED TO GRIND.

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 7, 2014 at 11:38

            Lol oh, yes that too, it will surprise your ass from time to time, but there enough strategy options to get you through 🙂

  8. Alien Emperor Trevor

    March 7, 2014 at 10:37

    No, give it this release cycle for AAAs, then move to purely next-gen with the next cycle. There’s still a massive install base for current-gen who won’t move for a while but still want to play new games.

    Reply

    • oVg PAYNE

      March 7, 2014 at 10:48

      The PS2 went on for 13 years before they discontinued production.
      But the difference between the PS2 and PS3 was super MASSIVE.
      This gen, not so much, just sharper res but still the same poly count.

      Waiting for the PS4 slim. In the meantime, cheap games 🙂

      Reply

  9. oVg PAYNE

    March 7, 2014 at 10:39

    NEXT GEN can wait. I found Dantes Inferno, DMC 4, Darkness 2 all for R199 each 🙂

    That dude who is nearing 1million AP proves that we still have 5 years left to catch up on this gen.

    Reply

    • RinceThis

      March 7, 2014 at 10:39

      Ooi, gimme!

      Reply

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        March 7, 2014 at 10:53

        Buy your own cheapskate! *run*

        Reply

        • RinceThis

          March 7, 2014 at 11:10

          *Waves fist

          Reply

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      March 7, 2014 at 10:39

      Darkness 2 is fun.

      Reply

      • TiMsTeR1033

        March 7, 2014 at 11:10

        Was fun, oddly enough right at the end of game and haven’t finished it lol

        Reply

  10. Brian Murphy

    March 7, 2014 at 10:43

    Alright, well, no ION yet, so I’ll post it here. Taking off for the night, have a great weekend everyone!

    Reply

  11. Anon A Mouse

    March 7, 2014 at 10:44

    Hellz to the noz. Last gen is still far too popular. XBone is in trouble with price drops already happening and even Nintendo is selling more hardware than Microsoft at the moment. This gen is not the way to go at this moment.

    Reply

  12. ToshZA

    March 7, 2014 at 10:44

    Without reading any comments or the article itself I’m just going to say, we Master Race left last-gen behind years ago.

    Reply

    • Exalted Overlord Geoffrey Tim

      March 7, 2014 at 10:46

      No you haven’t. You’ve been playing last gen games at a higher resolution and framerate – as games have still been constrained by the old consoles.

      Reply

      • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

        March 7, 2014 at 10:49

        How true this statement……As always, everyone thinks higher resolution is the definition of next gen

        Reply

        • ToshZA

          March 7, 2014 at 10:53

          Its not about resolution, its about the entirety of the system’s abilities. If consoles didn’t exist, we’d be far more advanced than we are today.

          Reply

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 7, 2014 at 10:55

            That alone does not define gaming. As my comment above. So many games released on console that pushed gaming forward. Too much misconception that raw power defines gaming advancement….

          • RinceThis

            March 7, 2014 at 11:12

            Dammit, stop making so much sense before 12!

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            March 7, 2014 at 11:21

            To be honest, it wouldn’t be difficult to make more sense…

            trollolol BRING IT BITCHES!

        • Kromas

          March 7, 2014 at 11:23

          Not true. Some think better AI fish in a FPS is next gen. 😛

          Reply

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 7, 2014 at 11:25

            Man I feel sorry for those people lol

          • Kromas

            March 7, 2014 at 11:27

            Everyone feels sorry for CoD players 😛

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:27

            Cannot agree more. 😀

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 7, 2014 at 11:28

            LOL! shame…..need to start a fund for them

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:39

            What? The grow-an-imagination fund?

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 7, 2014 at 11:46

            LOLz,Maybe non-linear-corridor fund?

      • ToshZA

        March 7, 2014 at 10:50

        Yeah, so last-gen has held us back. It’s like the smart kid who can’t progress because of his age, even though he’s smarter than people 5 years older than him. He still left them behind.

        Reply

      • Admiral Chief in Vegas

        March 7, 2014 at 10:50

        Yes, you are correct, consoles are the reason why gaming is behind.

        Well said Geoff, I provide thee with an upvote!

        Reply

        • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

          March 7, 2014 at 10:53

          Yeah that’s why consoles gave us Resident Evil 4 that defined a new generation of 3rd person shooters. How about Shadow of the Colossus and Okami?How about the Last of Us that showed us a new era of narrative….If anything PC gaming is holding gaming back

          Reply

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 10:58

            What you’re saying is true enough, in a world where consoles exist. Now take consoles out of the picture. That vision for TLOU would have been realised on PC instead. It wouldn’t have gone away. Narrative isn’t exclusive to console. The one things pc’s have over consoles in this console-filled world is tech. So PC has become a showcase of tech. Not intentionally, and only because consoles exist. Without them, pc’s would be responsible for everything. We’d have had “Next/current gen” years ago.

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 7, 2014 at 11:05

            Nope they’re not exclusive to consoles, nor are they exclusive to PCs. Fine, if you take consoles out of the picture it would’ve been realized on PC. But consoles exist and those console games pushed gaming forward. PC is also not that accessible to everyone. Which is why consoles are so popular. Take consoles away and you will be left with are tech demos that no one will be interested in.

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:07

            Not at all. The only reason tech demo’s are there is because consoles are. PC is the pinnacle of tech. However, pc’s scale. You can build a gaming rig for the price of a PS4, with much the same capabilities. People would be buying budget rigs more, but with the possibility of upgrading their graphics card in a few years to increase the power of the rig. Instead of waiting 8 years to get something with more power.

          • El Capitan del Blade

            March 7, 2014 at 11:09

            And, If I may tag something on here… The Price of Tech for PCs would Decrease without consoles. If more people buy your Graphics card, you can produce in bigger quantities, dropping the price per unit. #Manufacturing

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:10

            Very true, I hadn’t even considered this. Thank you.

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 7, 2014 at 11:13

            Well would thousands of children even know the difference an ATI and Nvidia card? Children play games too. When I was a kid I played pc games too but it was much simpler than games today. Sure PCs are powerhouses and don’t get me wrong, PCs are the pinnacle of gaming power. But that alone can and will never define gaming. We grew up with Mario Bros and Sonic which are console games. Simply taking away consoles would not mean that everyone would be using PCs for games now. Consoles are there so that all we could do was play games. PCs are multi-purpose machines that could also play games. Whats the point of gaming evolution when no one would even be able to appreciate it…

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:18

            Except that you build pc’s differently for different purposes. For graphics you wouldn’t put a gaming card in, you’d put a Quadro or AMD’s equivalent in. Those don’t work so well for games. I had to sacrifice my graphics grunt for raw power because I use my pc for both games and design/animation. A pure gaming rig could get rid of the i7, put an i5, and get a better Graphics card. What you would see is more pre-built machines about, some would specialise in budget rigs, some in graphics, some in office work. For those of us who already do cross-purpose, we already build our own custom rigs. While I agree that we all started on consoles, those could have died out. And tbh if it wasn’t for the PlayStation, they’d have died out altogether.

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 7, 2014 at 11:25

            But who would want to worry about that? All we want to do is play games. Not tweak graphics because we bought the the wrong PC, like I said before, not everyone knows things about PCs and if PCs were the only form of gaming we had, and PC gaming evolved so quickly like you said, how would the common person be able to keep up? . Snes and Sega was hugely successful and the playstation came along and the console boom really started. Why then even though at that point PC graphics were already better than PS1, that all you would hear people talk about is Final Fantasy 7 or Metal Gear Solid. Because Playstion and consoles made gaming ACCESSIBLE to the general public, and that alone is reason enough to not discredit consoles as some weaker form of a PC …

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:27

            That’s exactly why I said, more companies would make pre-built rigs. All you’d have to worry about is price and purpose. And those same companies would provide an “upgrade your rig” option in say, 3 years for a nominal fee, and that’s all you’d have to worry about as the consumer.

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 7, 2014 at 11:34

            Would they though? obviously one company would try and get the edge on another so one company might a custom pre-built PC that’s better than another company’s pre-built rig. but how would the common person know. With consoles, you buy a Playstation and klaar. Thing is , it;s a symbiotic relationship that gamers fail to see. So many misconceptions that consoles holds gaming back when in fact PCs and consoles feed off one another. We should realize that each has it’s place.

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:39

            While I concede your point, that doesn’t make for a good FFD, now does it? 😛

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 7, 2014 at 11:40

            LMFAO!!! indeed, well I’m really tired actually! but what an awesome discussion bro!! My mind feels stimulated and you made some extremely good points!! 🙂

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:41

            As did you, and in the end I think you nailed it. I have no reply to that final statement, its the truth of the matter.

            Thank you for 2 interesting discussions in 1 day. 😀

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 7, 2014 at 11:43

            Haha indeed same to you 🙂 !!

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:41

            ENTER Steam Machine.
            As much as I love Steam, I really can’t see myself getting one. It just feels like it’s in the middle of nowhere.

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 7, 2014 at 11:42

            Yeah indeed, it has potential but I don’t know, feels really odd, most people would build a PC or buy a console. Just seems too niche

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:42

            I agree on this. Steam Machine doesn’t have a real place in the market.

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:45

            I see the point they have, but they’re trying to create a market where there isn’t one.

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 7, 2014 at 11:45

            Yeah man, maybe they can still do some convincing with better marketing, but for now. just seems like an expensive name brand hardware. I mean, I might’ve been out of the PC scene for a very long time but I am damn sure that you can build a better and cheaper PC for less than that…

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:43

            Much agree. Such true.

          • Rags

            March 7, 2014 at 11:55

            You make it sound as if you need to be a qualified electronic engineer to tweak the graphics. These days its 5 minutes to tweak it to hit 60+fps. On consoles you are stuck at one setting and 20fps(hello GTA).

            That 5 minutes makes the experience a lot better!

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 7, 2014 at 12:20

            Most people don’t what V-sync does….It’s just about accessibility. I’m trying to make anyone sound dumb.

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 12:25

            V-Sync is purely for screen tearing if your card is too powerful. I find it horrible, and in Rage for instance having V-sync on ruins the experience completely. Yes, it tries to sync to 60fps, but sometimes that backfires into 15fps.

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:08

            And if someone’s going to start that crap about pc’s being too expensive they seriously need to get up to date with hardware prices.

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            March 7, 2014 at 10:59

            I don’t think you proofread your last comment, please see Tosh’s response, I think he nailed it

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:11

            I really came here with an open mind. Not to fight about PC vs Consoles.
            This is making it difficult.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            March 7, 2014 at 11:12

            “An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.”

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:12

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:24

            At least we’ll get to play a newly renovated Homeworld sometime 😉

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:25

            Actually something I’d pay good money for. I do miss Homeworld.

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:28

            I seriously want to get me one of the limited edition ones with all the cool stuff.

          • RinceThis

            March 7, 2014 at 11:26

            Ya, PC been holding that one back for more than 10 years! BOOM!

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:28

            LOL.
            I’ll give you that one.

        • General JJ the Fett

          March 7, 2014 at 11:07

          Yes and yes

          Reply

        • RinceThis

          March 7, 2014 at 11:13

          Don’t agree with you at all.

          Reply

        • TiMsTeR1033

          March 7, 2014 at 11:16

          They have to cater to the masses.

          Reply

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            March 7, 2014 at 11:17

            Indeed, hence why most of the world are quite dof

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 7, 2014 at 11:39

            Awww, console gamers are dof?

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:45

            Hey bru, you wanna say that to my face? Hey? Wanna take this outside?

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 7, 2014 at 11:48

            Lol Admiral said it first. He started it teacher!!

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:50

            Hey, don’t try to chalk this off on some other oke hey! Bru, you chicken hey? Hey?

      • El Capitan del Blade

        March 7, 2014 at 11:04

        Except The Rare games that were Developed for PC, and ported Down to console… Favourite example, the witcher 2… like it or not, it still LOOKS amazing, and the environment and Interactions with NPC are what most would consider “next-gen” and it was released in 2011…

        Reply

      • RinceThis

        March 7, 2014 at 11:12

        lol

        Reply

    • SheHulkNigri

      March 7, 2014 at 10:54

      I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. It’s funny how a console centric article always brings out the so called Master Race and their “big” dicks. Really. Ask Dr Ruth. Size is not everything my friend. Yes, I may not have a monster dick that makes all the other go “OOOOOOHHHH” when I drop my pants. But I’ll be fucked if I am not having as much fun with my tiny console dick than you are with your monster dick.
      Oh, and my tiny console dick got treated to some awesome games. GTA V, some fun physics defying fighting games like DOA5 and the like, and oh yes, most of the games that get released on PC too. So please explain: What exactly is the benefit of your monster dick over my tiny dick when it comes to gaming?

      Reply

      • Rags

        March 7, 2014 at 11:09

        The envy is strong with this one. ;D

        Reply

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        March 7, 2014 at 11:09

        I was going to say that the benefit is the Kinect picks it up easier, but then realised that doesn’t make sense. Still funny though, so I though I’d share.

        Reply

      • TiMsTeR1033

        March 7, 2014 at 11:11

        *cough* We don’t have tiny dicks…

        Reply

        • Hammersteyn

          March 7, 2014 at 11:16

          Speak for yourself…… NO WAIT!

          Reply

          • TiMsTeR1033

            March 7, 2014 at 11:17

            Enjoy your motion of the ocean crap. 😛

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            March 7, 2014 at 11:17

            hahaha

      • RinceThis

        March 7, 2014 at 11:14

        Well said sir 😉

        Reply

      • Hammersteyn

        March 7, 2014 at 11:16

        Laugh with them, but don’t feed or argue or rage about it. It’s pointless. I think they are mostly bitter about our exclusives plus when we get games like GTAV and they have to wait for it to come out on their 15K PC.

        Sure they have exclusives too but it’s games that wouldn’t work on the console or it’s another silly mmo things like that. And look how much fun us PS fanboys had over a mere couple of pixels over the XBOX ONE. So let them have their fun.

        Reply

        • Admiral Chief in Vegas

          March 7, 2014 at 11:17

          What’s this “them” business? YOU ARE ONE OF BOTH!

          Reply

          • Hammersteyn

            March 7, 2014 at 11:41

            I am but @SheHulkNigri:disqus isn’t. Also the “PC IS BAWS” comment. is like the “First!” comment on Youtube. Everyone knows someone will post it. Just a matter of time….

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            March 7, 2014 at 12:03

            So is @SheHulkNigri:disqus 😉 I SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE you playing Skyrim!

          • SheHulkNigri

            March 7, 2014 at 15:21

            Yeah, but I am 98% Console and 2% PC really.

    • General JJ the Fett

      March 7, 2014 at 11:06

      This gen is already behind us. 🙂

      Reply

  13. Admiral Chief in Vegas

    March 7, 2014 at 10:46

    Kill it with fire

    Reply

    • Hammersteyn

      March 7, 2014 at 10:50

      Burn it with Steam?

      Reply

      • Admiral Chief in Vegas

        March 7, 2014 at 10:51

        Better-er

        Reply

  14. DieJason

    March 7, 2014 at 10:48

    At this stage I’m just gonna say…. not gonna affect me at all if they don’t release anything else for the 360. I’m gonna have enough to play, go go backlog!

    Will upgrade in 2-3 years to a new console.

    Reply

  15. Sk3tz0

    March 7, 2014 at 10:52

    dunno about Xbox never owned that.. But I believe looking at the graphics with games like Tomb raider and GTA V and to many a few.. there is still plenty of life left in the ol’ PS 3. Hell the Ps2 was going long after the arrival of the PS3 back in the day.

    Reply

  16. Kensei Seraph

    March 7, 2014 at 10:53

    If dropping last gen leads to better game standards then do it.
    Of course that would also apply for current gen consoles as they’re not on the same level as current gen PCs.

    Reply

  17. SL3DGE

    March 7, 2014 at 10:56

    Given the pace at which the next-gen systems have been selling there is a major bottleneck in terms of plenty and proper game choices – so yeah focus on next gen and get more good games out and start building that catalog.

    I love my PS3 and still have a ton of games to play, plus with cheap digital downloads I keep piling games on my stack. So maybe this is a great time to move over to a digital channel for old systems and keep the physical copies on next-gen (I sure as hell can’t and won’t download a 25-50 gig game).

    But I know last-geners are probably going to go into a phase of crappy half arsed ports which nobody wants.

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  18. Brenz

    March 7, 2014 at 10:59

    Yes definitely.
    The sooner the new-gen consoles get bigger and better libraries without taking old consoles into consideration the better.
    I dont own a ps4 yet. simply because it has no titles that i really want to play, and also because all the games I want right now are releasing on ps3, so why bother.
    But, I would rather be playing those games on a better console, with better visuals and performance, for sure, so then they must force me to do so, and i will gladly.

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    • Sk3tz0

      March 7, 2014 at 11:01

      PERFECT WORLD SCENARIO: PS4 backwards compatible…

      Reply

      • Admiral Chief in Vegas

        March 7, 2014 at 11:02

        PERFECT WORLD SCENARIO – Cross platform

        Reply

        • Sk3tz0

          March 7, 2014 at 11:03

          PERFECT WORLD SCENARIO – Cross platform: only if u could carry your saved content between platforms.. thats be well perfect.

          Reply

        • General JJ the Fett

          March 7, 2014 at 11:04

          I would’ve said. No consoles. 😉

          Reply

          • Sk3tz0

            March 7, 2014 at 11:08

            As someone thats been gaming on consoles and on PCs for many years.. I’d like to say that I prefer my gaming equipment like i prefer my women.. Quick, Easy and Low Maintenance… ie Consoles.

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:09

            But consoles are soooo slow.

          • Brenz

            March 7, 2014 at 11:10

            nobody likes to finish too quickly

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:12

            True.

            But I can’t compare women to my gaming device. Because then it would have to be some kind of weird, kinky terminator.

          • Brenz

            March 7, 2014 at 11:19

            A weird kinky sex terminator that doubles as a console too you say?
            Life = complete

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            March 7, 2014 at 11:20

            XD

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:23

            O_O

          • Sk3tz0

            March 7, 2014 at 11:36

            Life = Half Complete.. she better be able to make a dam sandwich aswell.. otherwise whats the point…

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            March 7, 2014 at 11:39

            Much wisdom here!

          • Sk3tz0

            March 7, 2014 at 11:11

            In what way are consoles Slow.??? if u talking about FPS.. yea.. FPS are more fun on PCS. but anything else.. i believe they the same

          • Johan du Preez

            March 7, 2014 at 11:12

            In a way that it cant do 1080p or have washed out textures ?

          • Brenz

            March 7, 2014 at 11:12

            ps4 begs to differ on 1080p

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:13

            Does… It… Really… Bec… ause… Of… The… Frame…. Rate…….

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:13

            LOL

          • Brenz

            March 7, 2014 at 11:14

            malicious rumours spread by xbone community

          • Johan du Preez

            March 7, 2014 at 13:18

            Yeh barely and the washed out textures and at 30fps … that makes the console slow …

          • Johan du Preez

            March 7, 2014 at 13:19

            Its not full 1080p its something like 900×1080 not 1980×1080 the latter is true 1080p.

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:13

            Loading times, for one.
            I forgot what loading times were until I saw someone playing on a console.

          • TiMsTeR1033

            March 7, 2014 at 11:15

            Next gen loading times are very short.

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:21

            I’m not dissing the console, don’t get me wrong here. Just saying why I prefer my pc.
            I like playing old games and having mods and customization and trying out cool indie games.

          • TiMsTeR1033

            March 7, 2014 at 11:22

            I enjoy both, in a perfect world I would have all the consoles and the best pc.

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:23

            Me too. Just no kinect 😉

          • TiMsTeR1033

            March 7, 2014 at 11:23

            Kinect is good for exercise that’s about it.

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:24

            Other activities are also good for exercise.

          • TiMsTeR1033

            March 7, 2014 at 11:26

            I agree, but it is a tool to make exercising more fun.

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:27

            You get tools in those other activities too.

            Just kidding.

            The kinect is cool for some people who need that motivation.

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:29

            Or people who don’t like other people and the smell of their sweat.

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:30

            Those people are lame. 😉

          • TiMsTeR1033

            March 7, 2014 at 11:30

            agreed!

          • Brenz

            March 7, 2014 at 11:32

            the smell of others peoples sweat is the catnip of the gym, it motivates and drives you, mmmmm, wheres that armpit, i need a fix!

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:34

            I’ve never gone to a gym, but now this is all I’m imagining I’ll see when I walk into one.

          • Brenz

            March 7, 2014 at 12:07

            it would be quite something if this really happened lol.
            just picturing it now, hahaha

          • Brenz

            March 7, 2014 at 11:25

            there are plenty good ways to exercise, you dont need a goddam kinect telling you how and streaming you doing it to the microsoft canteen in lunch hour

          • Brenz

            March 7, 2014 at 11:25

            yeah the mod capabilities on pc are the big winner in this, i will agree

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:26

            Lately I’ve been loving the great indie games. And it’s nice to support the up and comers.
            My PS3 sees a lot of attention though when I’ve got friends over.

          • Sk3tz0

            March 7, 2014 at 11:18

            I would say the load time on a Console = out the install time on PC.. by the time u got ur game installed on ur PC/Steam/Origins. I’m already a 1hr into the game on my slow console.

          • TiMsTeR1033

            March 7, 2014 at 11:19

            Well said, but most games on console have to install too now.

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            March 7, 2014 at 11:20

            Point in fact
            (almost typed PINT, which is not a bad thing as well)

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            March 7, 2014 at 11:19

            Really? 1hr? Hahah, ok then

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:22

            I’m really not rushed with when I play my games. When I’m at work and I buy a game on steam, I just log on, and tell my pc to start downloading it. If it’s done when I get home, great, if not, I’ve got other things I can play.

          • TiMsTeR1033

            March 7, 2014 at 11:12

            like your mama

        • RinceThis

          March 7, 2014 at 11:27

          SAY THAT AGAIN! 😉

          Reply

          • Brenz

            March 7, 2014 at 11:28

            PERFECT WORLD SCENARIO – Cross platform

          • RinceThis

            March 7, 2014 at 11:34

            YES!

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:28

            PERFECT WORLD SCENARIO – Cross platform

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            March 7, 2014 at 11:29

            + NO Auto-aim

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:29

            I think many a pc gamer have been dreaming about it. I’m terrible with FPS games, so that means I’ll actually look like I know what I’m doing.

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            March 7, 2014 at 11:29

            Yes, so I can shoot the console peasants 😛

          • TiMsTeR1033

            March 7, 2014 at 11:29

            We would shoot you back.

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            March 7, 2014 at 11:38

            *attempt to shoot

            Fixed

          • RinceThis

            March 7, 2014 at 11:38

            Shut it you. Would be awesome to be able to form an RPG team with you. You’d be the dwarf cleric, right? 😉

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:38

            I’d love that too.

          • RinceThis

            March 7, 2014 at 11:42

            Would be awesome bro.

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:44

            I will probably end up being the dark elf (for reasons I will not state). Or if my Left For Dead playing time with Admiral and the Emperor is anything to go by, I’ll be a girl.

          • RinceThis

            March 7, 2014 at 11:45

            I am sure you could be both tehehe

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:46

            Yo mama could be both!

          • RinceThis

            March 7, 2014 at 11:47

            0-O Wowza… How do you know she ISN’T?!

          • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

            March 7, 2014 at 11:48

            That would explain a lot O_o

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:48

            LOL

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:48

            Haha.
            On a separate note. I should be leaving now. Was good debate, as always.
            Gotta get to Ramfest still. Have a good weekend dude.

          • RinceThis

            March 7, 2014 at 11:50

            Have a great one bro!

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:54

            Claudia, of course, already met the guys from the band, because she has mad connections skillz. They literally just saw her. So freaking jealous.
            But thanks man. Cheers.

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            March 7, 2014 at 11:39

            And you the Ingwer Mage?

          • RinceThis

            March 7, 2014 at 11:41

            Damn straight 🙂

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            March 7, 2014 at 11:40

            Also why would I be the dwarf? Thats Darryn’s job. Or is he the hobbitses?

          • RinceThis

            March 7, 2014 at 11:44

            You are the dwarf because of the jpeg you sent the other day 🙂 The one where Gimli would attack all the stuntmen 😉 And yes, Darryn of course would be the hobbitses!

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            March 7, 2014 at 11:48

            Ah, so you see me as fearless and and with the ability to knock everything down greater my size?

            Awwww Rince, you are making me blush!

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:38

            Or pheasants. Whichever you encounter.

      • Brenz

        March 7, 2014 at 11:06

        If only.
        Sony does a lot of things rights for the gamer, but still waiting on that.

        Reply

  19. Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

    March 7, 2014 at 11:01

    If the consoles were backwards compatible then it would have made way more sense to drop last-gen and move on, but there are still too many titles on last-gen(and more coming) and not enough on current(next)-gen. This is the only benifit PC have over consoles as you don’t have to keep your old PC to go back to your old games

    Reply

    • General JJ the Fett

      March 7, 2014 at 11:03

      They’d never do backwards compatibility. There’s too much money to be made otherwise.
      And…that’s not the only benefit PC’s have over consoles…but I don’t think this is the place for another war, so I’ll let it slide.

      Reply

      • ToshZA

        March 7, 2014 at 11:04

        The war rages on man. Whether you’re a part of it or not. See below. 😀

        Reply

        • General JJ the Fett

          March 7, 2014 at 11:05

          Where!?

          I’m coming!!!!

          Reply

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            March 7, 2014 at 11:05

            That’s not what she said.

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:06

            LOL

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:09

            LOL!

        • Hammersteyn

          March 7, 2014 at 11:20

          It’s not so much a war as there’s no chance the console could ever win. Only because PCs are upgradable and consoles not.

          Reply

      • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

        March 7, 2014 at 11:10

        My opinion has always been that certain genres are just better on different platforms. I like my console because I can pop in a game and it works, I don’t have to upgrade my gfx card or download more RAM (http://www.downloadmoreram.com/ ).

        But at the same time I loved my PC because of other reasons

        Reply

        • General JJ the Fett

          March 7, 2014 at 11:17

          I completely get it. I’m not anti-console. Just joking around. I mean, I had a flippen great time with my PS1 and regret ever getting rid of it. Graphics really isn’t everything to me. I tend to only upgrade my pc once a new console comes out (not as a rule, it just tends to happen that way) and it’s usually cheaper than getting a console and a lot more powerful.

          Reply

    • Hammersteyn

      March 7, 2014 at 11:17

      That’s why I’m holding on tightly to my PS3

      Reply

  20. Aussious

    March 7, 2014 at 11:04

    Theres a serious lack of wow factor as far as this next gen is concerned, yes I will eventually get a PS4 but right now theres a serious lack of killer apps.

    Reply

    • Hammersteyn

      March 7, 2014 at 11:17

      I was truly wowed by Tomb Raider on the PS4. Playing PS3 after that hurts my eyes.

      Reply

  21. ElimiNathan

    March 7, 2014 at 11:09

    Yes yes and yes, last gen should have been dropped a year after its release, and Ill probably feel the same way about the “current gen” consoles

    Reply

  22. TiMsTeR1033

    March 7, 2014 at 11:14

    It is only time to drop last gen, when the games are no longer there, or when you have played 90% of the games out there that you wanted to play and no new ones are coming out. Once next gen also becomes more affordable then they can drop last gen.

    Reply

  23. Kromas

    March 7, 2014 at 11:17

    Take it from a pc gamer.The tech is not the issue. I had more fun with FTL than I ever had with ID Tech 5 Demo …. I mean Doom 3.

    Reply

    • Admiral Chief in Vegas

      March 7, 2014 at 11:18

      WHAHAHAHA, and yes, also true. (actually mid session in FTL now…)

      Reply

      • Kromas

        March 7, 2014 at 11:21

        I just loved how they sold a darker black as a main feature of the engine. I mean seriously?! I can just drop my gamma a bit and get the same result. 😛

        Reply

        • Admiral Chief in Vegas

          March 7, 2014 at 11:22

          I have yet to finish D3, and yet, I have no desire to do so

          Reply

          • TiMsTeR1033

            March 7, 2014 at 11:23

            WOAH, I did not expect that from you.

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            March 7, 2014 at 11:24

            Back in the day, my PC groaned under the load, so it was shelved. Got better PC, and forgot about it. Pretty forgettable encounter though.

            Now I’d play Republic Commando again at the drop of an Avo weird link (which happens quite frequent)

          • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

            March 7, 2014 at 11:27

            Well, then you better get it loaded up then…

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:34

            LOL!

          • oVg PAYNE

            March 7, 2014 at 11:53

            Unavengedavo YOUTUBE KING 🙂

          • TiMsTeR1033

            March 7, 2014 at 11:28

            I remember a time when my older pc couldn’t handle fear, and when I could play it was like “graphics kinda suck now” Some games like B&W 2 I enjoyed when had a pc that could play with all the bells and whistles on.

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:23

            Finished it when it came out, and it wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t great at all. I much preferred Rage.

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            March 7, 2014 at 11:25

            Strange, lots of people and reviews said Rage was crap.

            How would you rate it?

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            March 7, 2014 at 11:27

            I enjoyed Rage, it was a solid shooter. Nothing fantastic, but nowhere near as crap as people love to proclaim.

          • TiMsTeR1033

            March 7, 2014 at 11:29

            nothing exciting about it, boring, repetitive… hmmm not so crap at all yeah right.

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:30

            Actually I found it better than most reviews. I really enjoyed the experience. Far more than Doom3.

          • TiMsTeR1033

            March 7, 2014 at 11:31

            atleast Doom 3 tried to be scary.

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:35

            And failed. Its core was that it was scary, it failed. Rage was a shooter, that was its core. It didn’t fail at that. It wasn’t epic, it wasn’t ground-breaking, but it didn’t fail at its core.

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:37

            I’ll try Rage sometime. You’re making me curious about it now.
            Doom 3 had that irritating scare where AI spawn behind you, or in certain places just to give you a fright. Not making it a “scary” game.

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:48

            The thing is, if you don’t go in with hype and expecting it to blow you away, you know, with an open mind, you’ll find it unique, and enjoyable at least. Its sort of a crossover between survival and shooter, more a shooter, but interesting at least. Could’ve been better, I’ll happily admit, but it is what it is.

          • General JJ the Fett

            March 7, 2014 at 11:49

            All thing I know about it is how the cover looks. Seriously. So I should be fine 😉

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:54

            That’s about how I went into it, so yeah you should be fine. 🙂

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            March 7, 2014 at 11:57

            Get back in your well.

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:57

            TiMsTeR1033

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            March 7, 2014 at 11:58

            hahahahahaha

    • ToshZA

      March 7, 2014 at 11:22

      Well put. The only thing I can say to help the pc argument along further is that its much easier to get into developing for a pc, since you develop in a native environment. Tech, while growing in power, hasn’t changed its core much over the years, so the way in which it works doesn’t have to be re-learned every generation, allowing you to just evolve as you go.

      Still, as you say, FTL is an amazing and addictive game. Now if only I could unlock that damn mantis or stealth cruiser. FFS. 🙁

      Reply

      • Admiral Chief in Vegas

        March 7, 2014 at 11:23

        Screw that, the Crystal cruiser is wayyyyy harder to unlock (still don’t have it….GRRRR)

        Reply

        • ToshZA

          March 7, 2014 at 11:23

          Me neither. But until those random events happen, man.

          Reply

          • Admiral Chief in Vegas

            March 7, 2014 at 11:25

            ALMOST had it once, just needed one more jump….

          • ToshZA

            March 7, 2014 at 11:34

            I’ve still not even gotten the first event.

  24. Willem Swanepoel

    March 7, 2014 at 11:17

    yes, it holds everything back. It is time to drop the 10 year old technology and look ahead.

    Reply

  25. RinceThis

    March 7, 2014 at 11:22

    This is a straw argument that can be applied to literally anything. The book held the kindle back, the petrol of yesteryear held back the F1 of this year, it’s called progress people. If not for the old gen consoles many games wouldn’t be around. Everyone needs a foundation to start building on, you don’t start with a fucking International Space Station, you start with a hut and build on that. Woe be to those who forget their origins.

    Reply

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      March 7, 2014 at 11:26

      It is hay. 😀

      The problem comes when people cling to the old at the expense of the new because they’re afraid of change.

      Reply

      • Admiral Chief in Vegas

        March 7, 2014 at 11:26

        Needles I tell ya

        Reply

      • RinceThis

        March 7, 2014 at 11:31

        HAHA! 😉 As I said in my first post, time to move on, has been an extremely long generation (9 year old tech?!) Just making the point you cannot say the last gen didn’t act as a stepping stone to the next, as most “PC Master Race” peeps are.

        Reply

        • General JJ the Fett

          March 7, 2014 at 11:33

          But, as we know (feels like I’m defending the consoles). Graphics isn’t everything and there are still some great games on “last gen”. As a console, my PS3 doesn’t feel old to me.

          Reply

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          March 7, 2014 at 11:56

          I thought the main argument is it could have happened more quickly.

          PCs evolve while consoles remain static – talking purely about hardware. With that increase in power games could have improved more rapidly by taking advantage of newer technology. Arguments around platform simplicity/complexity, cost, exclusives, etc are irrelevant to that point, although they’re perfectly valid reasons why it didn’t happen.

          Reply

  26. RinceThis

    March 7, 2014 at 11:23

    Ya, and the PS 1 held everyone back from the PS 2 held everyone back from getting the PS3, oh, the PS3 held everyone back from getting the PS4,

    Reply

  27. Laby

    March 7, 2014 at 11:24

    Can’t believe they only realized now that the old machines are holding the new 1’s back no comment.

    Reply

  28. Skyblue

    March 7, 2014 at 11:25

    Arkham Knight does look like a serious jump over Asylum and City based on the trailer that was released. I’ll hold off on judgement until I see gameplay footage but that was an awesome trailer.

    Reply

  29. Willem Swanepoel

    March 7, 2014 at 11:30

    The problem is, game developer companies will make less because if they only develop for the current gen consoles (PS4, XBOX ONE) then they will cater for only a small market.

    PS2 and PS3 sales combined will still be more than PS4 sales. Looking at it from a business point of view, this will give them 2 options.

    Increase the PS4 game pricess to cater for the losses or keep on developing for the older consoles.

    Consoles will always keep technology behind FOREVER! 🙂

    4-5 years from now we will discuss this again when the PS4 and XBOX One is keeping us behind from new tech 😉

    Reply

    • General JJ the Fett

      March 7, 2014 at 11:31

      You, sir, needz the upvotes.

      Reply

      • Willem Swanepoel

        March 7, 2014 at 11:34

        Can’t wait for the PS4/XBOX One users to start complaining about the old gen consoles because their game is up scaled DX 9 game and paying premium console price for it;-)

        *EDIT*: That is one evil business move, woah. EA will abuse this so hard. Sad times for console gaming ;-/

        Build old tech game, up scale it (crappy cheap business move) release it for PS4 and add R300-R400 to the price … PROFIT!!!

        Reply

  30. Rags

    March 7, 2014 at 12:48

    Bethesda must have put a lot of resources into id Tech 5 and developed a ton of tools for it. With the new games I wonder if the new Fallout will use it too. It’s an amazing engine technically. But its gotten a bit behind in the rendering department compared to UE4.

    Reply

  31. Aussious

    March 7, 2014 at 12:51

    And yeah lets not forget the rising game prices the sooner we pay R1000 for a single game the better…

    Reply

  32. Jason Ashman

    March 11, 2014 at 00:50

    they should drop them so they will stop making games for them. simply so i know how many more games i need to complete my 360 collection.

    Reply

  33. Jennifer

    April 15, 2014 at 11:05

    This generation has hit a brick wall with the PS4 and Xbox one, the graphics are only marginally better than the PS3 and Xbox 360. I’m sure you could argue slight differences but whatever, the games just aren’t there yet for these newer consoles to be worth their price point. Now, onto Rocksteady… who all deserve a slap in the face for pushing Arkham Knight to next gen! Especially since they claim this will be the FINAL game in the Arkham series and will wrap up the loose ends. Well that was fun! Gee, thanks guys, for handing over this beloved franchise to a different studio so fans could get a watered down version of Arkham City with snow! Rocksteady should have finished what they started before making the leap to next gen… but now I’m be forced to buy another console just to drive the Batmobile. Jerks!

    Reply

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