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KOTOR, Mass Effect director Casey Hudson joins Microsoft

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The name Casey Hudson is spoken with hushed tones around weird parts of the internet. Following the disappointing ending to Mass Effect 3 (and the utterly ridiculous reaction to it all), Mr Hudson lost a little bit of fandom online. So you’re forgiven if you’d forgotten that he left BioWare last August – but his new appointment at Microsoft is wildly exciting.

Hudson has jumped ship to Microsoft as Creative Director behind Xbox – overseeing the vision of some of the first-party loveliness that the Silicon Valley corporation is hoping to sell Xbox Ones with. But that’s just the tip of things. Along with Xbox, Hudson will also oversea creative direction on the company’s most exciting product in years – HoloLens.

After playing around with the innovative hologram device earlier in the year, Hudson was sold on it.

“I was blown away by the technology and what it was already capable of. Walking on Mars while sipping coffee in an office setting, Skyping with a friend who can draw on the walls of my environment, sculpting an object in 3D modeling software while a hologram of it sits on a table next to me… These first experiences cemented my belief that holographic computing was where I needed to be.”

“I feel that the work being done at Microsoft on mixed reality and holographic computing will have a tremendous impact on how all of us interact with technology in the coming years,”

It’s the gaming aspect that I’m a lot more interested in, and I do have to wonder if Hudson is bringing his years of expertise to help bridge the gap between Xbox and HoloLens. Right now only Minecraft has been shown off as a game fit for holographic capabilities – but this could chage really soon with some first-part experiences.

“I will be involved in driving a creative focus for Xbox and Windows gaming, and I couldn’t be more excited to be involved in that.”

Whether it’s traditional games or a brand new frontier, I think Microsoft have really chosen well with Hudson. The Director on both Mass Effect and Knights of the Old Republic must be doing something right in the industry, don’t you think?

Last Updated: May 19, 2015

151 Comments

  1. All’s well that ends well? Oh…

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  2. RinceTriss

    May 19, 2015 at 13:13

    HoloLens. The next VirtualBoy…

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    • Pariah

      May 19, 2015 at 13:14

      What’s VirtualBoy? An app for prie.. I mean um. *leaves*

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      • Lord Chaos

        May 19, 2015 at 13:26

        Bad Pariah, now go to confession…

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    • Blood Emperor Trevor

      May 19, 2015 at 13:14

      You’re a virtual boy.

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      • Pariah

        May 19, 2015 at 13:14

      • RinceTriss

        May 19, 2015 at 13:15

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        • Admiral Chief

          May 19, 2015 at 13:17

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          May 19, 2015 at 13:17

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          • Blood Emperor Trevor

            May 19, 2015 at 13:17

            And I just went full nerd.

          • Pariah

            May 19, 2015 at 13:19

            Nobody minds. This is awesome. Have an upvote.

        • 40 Insane Frogs

          May 19, 2015 at 14:13

          The Nana is a figment of all our imaginations!

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  3. Jonah Cash

    May 19, 2015 at 13:24

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    • Admiral Chief

      May 19, 2015 at 13:26

      I don’t know Webafrica.

      I do know that Afrihost’s hosting is not that good. But as home connection, they seem to be legit

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      • Jonah Cash

        May 19, 2015 at 13:33

        There is a R300 per month difference between Afrihost and WebAfrica’s 10mb uncapped line… that is pretty big difference… But I will rather pay and get a decent ISP,I can’t take Telkom anymore. More than 10 hours on the phone with them in less than 2 weeks is just not good for my health!!

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        • Hammersteyn

          May 19, 2015 at 13:37

          Does it not run from month to month? Test each one over two months?

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          • Jonah Cash

            May 19, 2015 at 13:48

            That is a good idea. Also I am going to phone each now and hear from them why I shouldn’t take the other one’s package…

          • Hammersteyn

            May 19, 2015 at 13:50

            agreed, get them to compete over the price

      • Pariah

        May 19, 2015 at 13:36

        I’ve used their hosting (2 websites atm) for years without an issue – but it’s not high traffic stuff. Just personal use. As for the internet, both mobile and ADSL have been amazing. And their customer service is top notch.

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    • Hammersteyn

      May 19, 2015 at 13:30

      I’m still with MWEB even after beating the shit out of the lousy FON router they gave me. But I want to change as well as they still support those other guys that few people like

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      • Lord Chaos

        May 19, 2015 at 13:31

        Gingers?

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      • RinceTriss

        May 19, 2015 at 13:32

        I’ve been getting crappy service from them recently. Telling me I have this speed, but then when I try and dl torr.. I mean Netflix I get crap speeds. I never used to, only over the last few weeks. And I know they don’t prioritize P2P files but they never used to suck more than a White House intern…

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        • Hammersteyn

          May 19, 2015 at 13:38

          My Netflix lags sometimes because I have a shitty laptop with two gigs of ram XD

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          • RinceTriss

            May 19, 2015 at 13:40

            I suppose it could be the computer. I mean, it’s only 99 years old, or so…

          • Hammersteyn

            May 19, 2015 at 13:41

            Still has caveman porn. Hairy fuckers.

          • RinceTriss

            May 19, 2015 at 13:41

            Yeah. but they knew how to tear at meat 0_O *dry heave

          • Hammersteyn

            May 19, 2015 at 13:42

            *Goes home

    • Pariah

      May 19, 2015 at 13:35

      Well I’ve never had issues with Afrihost. Always great service, and my line quality is really great. I’ve heard webafrica isn’t bad, but in my dealings with them their customer service made me want to use Telkom instead. It was that bad.

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    • FoxOneZA

      May 19, 2015 at 14:02

      What’s your usage like? I’ve used both networks and I can tell you WA beats AH hands down when it comes to gaming and streaming.

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      • Jonah Cash

        May 19, 2015 at 14:33

        I don’t think I use too much. I stream nothing, just game on my PS4. I have bought a 100gig from Afrihost, so will try that for the next few weeks and then try Web Africa if I am not happy. My hosting has been done by Afrihost for the last 2 years and I have had very little problems so far.

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        • FoxOneZA

          May 19, 2015 at 14:42

          Yep you better off with a capped account any day. I’m using the Afrihost capped for daytime usage and for night time usage (5pm – 8am) and game downloads I use a cheapo uncapped from Incredible.

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    • Novakaine

      May 19, 2015 at 14:07

      I’ve used Afrihost before and must say I was pretty happy.

      Just for heaven’s sakes don’t use Cybersmart…

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    • konfab

      May 19, 2015 at 17:02

      “Uncapped”

      There is your problem.

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      • Jonah Cash

        May 20, 2015 at 07:40

        Well if Telkom just understood that it doesn’t help for them to up my line speed to 10mb but leave me on a 4mb uncapped account I wouldn’t be having this problem! You can’t imagine that a business as big as Telkom can’t figure out the the account has to go up as well, I spoke to 6 different people and none got it.

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    • Lardus-Resident Perve

      May 19, 2015 at 17:55

      Wish I could get a Telkom line 🙁 Witcher 1 and Witcher 2 are calling 🙁

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  4. Hammersteyn

    May 19, 2015 at 13:25

    So is it safe to say the HoloLens will be as disappointing as ME3?

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    • Blood Emperor Trevor

      May 19, 2015 at 13:30

      No, it’ll be amazing. But those three examples he mentioned are the only things you can do with it.

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    • konfab

      May 19, 2015 at 13:33

      If they implement dat galaxy map 0___0

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      • Kensei Seraph

        May 19, 2015 at 13:39

        YES!!!

        Imagine something like this in a 3D hologram.
        http://d3dsacqprgcsqh.cloudfront.net/photo/aYb8WAq_460sa_v1.gif

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  5. WitWolfy

    May 19, 2015 at 13:31

    Casey Hudson… Never thought I’d hear that name again….. YOU RUINED MASS EFFECT 3!!! I HATE YOU!!! I HATE YOU!!! I HATE YOU!!!!!!!

    Sorry lost myself there for a moment… I still cant get over the whole RGB ending thing, I think I need therapy.

    Reply

    • konfab

      May 19, 2015 at 13:35

      He was responsible for the 90+ hours of gaming perfection in ME1-ME3.

      Not to mention KOTOR, give the guy a break.

      Reply

      • Pariah

        May 19, 2015 at 13:38

        Thank you. This is all I’ve been saying. So glad to not be the only one who thinks this way.

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        • Hammersteyn

          May 19, 2015 at 13:40

          RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
          http://i.imgur.com/fzgr8.jpg

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          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 13:41

            😀

          • Kensei Seraph

            May 19, 2015 at 13:42

            That last ending. 🙂

          • WitWolfy

            May 19, 2015 at 13:46

            That was me back in 2012 hahahaha Down to the last panel!

          • Hammersteyn

            May 19, 2015 at 13:46

            Ice cream sales climbed higher than ME3 sales in that year

          • WitWolfy

            May 19, 2015 at 14:08

            Was more like alcoholic sales went up.

      • WitWolfy

        May 19, 2015 at 13:41

        You do you know that Casey Hudson and Marc Walters took it on themselves to write the Mass Effect 3 ending right after the original writer left, right?

        Tell me you do know this?

        Reply

        • Hammersteyn

          May 19, 2015 at 13:42

          Clearly he wrote it after the lobotomy. I mean he decided to join MS after that fiasco as well so that’s two strikes.

          Reply

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 13:43

            WAIT?! When did we start using bowling references? DID I MISS A LAZYGAMER TEAM BUILDING PARTY?!

          • Hammersteyn

            May 19, 2015 at 13:43

            hahaha it’s a baseball term. But that would be fun as well.

          • WitWolfy

            May 19, 2015 at 13:44

            Lobotomy LOL that made my day. He left BW like a year after the whole ME 3 fiasco. I’m actually surprised he’s still alive to be honest.

        • konfab

          May 19, 2015 at 13:45

          I do know this, and you know what, I liked what they did, the original theme was dark energy destroying everything.
          It was mentioned when you go and rescue Tali in ME2.

          AI vs Organics is much more interesting IMO

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          • Hammersteyn

            May 19, 2015 at 13:45

            What if you kill Tali?
            *Looks at Darryn

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 13:46

            WAIT DID DARRYN KILL TALI!? Good GODS man!

          • Pariah

            May 19, 2015 at 13:47

            I made her kill her self in my first play through.

            And recently, I got Mordin killed at the end of ME2. XD

          • Dutch-Trevor Matrix

            May 19, 2015 at 13:47

            ONE DOES NOT LAUGH AT THE DEATH OF MORDEN SOLUS! YOUR SOUL WILL BURN IN GAMERS HELL FOR THAT!

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 13:50

            Yeah I happily let Mordin die. What a prick. But Tali? SAY IT AINT SO!

          • Dutch-Trevor Matrix

            May 19, 2015 at 13:56

            Sadly, ME2 did not have a “Fuckit Legion. Kill that whiny Quarian bitch already!” conversation option.
            I did dance a jig though when I saved the Geth in ME3 and watched Tali do a trust fall off a cliff with no one to catch her at the bottom!

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 13:57

            See? This is why we can’t get along. YOU SAVED THE GETH?!!?!?!?!

          • Blood Emperor Trevor

            May 19, 2015 at 13:58

            GETH-TFO #amirite!

          • Pariah

            May 19, 2015 at 13:58

            Thith ith funneh!!!

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 14:00

            ^This x1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

          • Kensei Seraph

            May 19, 2015 at 14:00

            What is wrong with you people!
            The Geth were the most awesome race in the entire ME universe and Tali was a wonderful person.
            How could anyone let either of them die?!
            There is not choice between the two, it is either both or death, disgrace and dishonour!

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 14:00

            I went with both too. But to JUST pick the Geth? What sort of MADMAN does that?!

          • Dutch-Trevor Matrix

            May 19, 2015 at 14:05

            Madwoman.

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 14:07

            Oh well. This makes a lot more sense now.

          • Dutch-Trevor Matrix

            May 19, 2015 at 14:10

            Oh that certainly is very sexist of you!

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 15:08

            Whatever are you talking about?!

          • Dutch-Trevor Matrix

            May 19, 2015 at 14:03

            Yeah. I am sorry but a bunch of robots got more personality than the Bunny Chow makers of the future!

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 14:04

            I have no more.. words..

          • konfab

            May 19, 2015 at 14:00

            I shot Mordin on my second playthough, silly alien wanted to give an army of super soldiers to a bloodthirsty warlord.

          • Kensei Seraph

            May 19, 2015 at 14:03

            Wait, you mean you didn’t pick the option that let you become said bloodthirsty warlord?
            My Krogans would have gladly torched worlds at my every whim.
            I guess it’s a good thing that I followed the Paragon path then.

          • Dutch-Trevor Matrix

            May 19, 2015 at 14:08

            Mordin or Maelon????

          • konfab

            May 19, 2015 at 14:11

            Both :3

          • RinceTriss

            May 19, 2015 at 13:46

            Ouch…

          • konfab

            May 19, 2015 at 13:47

            Can only do that after you pick her up. Not before, no matter how many times you shoot her with the cain. Unless you use a glitch.

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 13:52

            BEEEEEEEEWBS!

          • WitWolfy

            May 19, 2015 at 13:56

            What if Tali was just a photoshopped stock photo?

          • WitWolfy

            May 19, 2015 at 13:55

            Much better than organics vs synthetics. That was the most forced plot device I ever heard of. Plus it opened up a lot of potholes too.

            Constancy people. Constancy.

          • Kensei Seraph

            May 19, 2015 at 13:58

            Consistency*

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 13:58

            Constancy? CONSTANTINE PICKED UP BY ANOTHER NETWORK?!?!

          • Blood Emperor Trevor

            May 19, 2015 at 13:59

            Too soon.

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 13:59

            I still shed a tear every now and again. It got really good toward the end..

          • Pariah

            May 19, 2015 at 13:59

            “That’s what.” ~She

          • WitWolfy

            May 19, 2015 at 13:59

            Looks like Google’s auto correct went full retard on me.

          • WitWolfy

            May 19, 2015 at 13:58

            Looks like my spelling is as bad as the endings 😉

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 13:59

            I think your spelling is worse. Which is saying a ton since those endings were so bloody horrible. 😉

          • WitWolfy

            May 19, 2015 at 14:08

            Oh touche 😛

  6. Kensei Seraph

    May 19, 2015 at 13:38

    The truth (possibly?) behind the 3 ME3 endings:
    Exec: “The game will be shipped at the end of the week.”
    Devs: “But we’ve only done 1 of the 3 endings. We need more time.”
    Exec: “Tough, you have to meet the deadline. Just copy the existing ending and do one of those palette swaps that you guys always do. We can then charge for the other endings. $$”
    Devs: “… I guess we could. Not like we have much choice.”

    Reply

    • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

      May 19, 2015 at 13:40

      Scenario 2 of “The Truth Behind the 3 ME3 Endings”

      Stats Guy: “We’ve run the numbers. Of all the possible deviations from all the choices you’ve given gamers, there are a total of 3 476 possible endings.”
      Execs: “So I heard 3 endings?”
      Devs: “We can totally do three endings.”
      Execs: “With colour coordination? Gamers love colours.”
      Stats Guy: “Uh….”
      Devs: “Works for us. HL3 confirmed!”

      Reply

      • Kensei Seraph

        May 19, 2015 at 13:41

        Nice.

        Reply

      • Dutch-Trevor Matrix

        May 19, 2015 at 13:43

        Scenario 3: Gamers are a bunch of whiny little old bitches that gets their panties in a twist at the drop of a hat!

        Reply

        • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

          May 19, 2015 at 13:44

          I vote for Scenario 1 or Scenario 2. Scenario 3 sounds like something my great-grandpa would say.

          Reply

          • Dutch-Trevor Matrix

            May 19, 2015 at 13:45

            Sounds like your great-grandpa had a great mind about him.

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 13:48

            I don’t know about that. He was a suspected bootlegger even though alcohol was legal. Didn’t ever make sense to me.

        • Kensei Seraph

          May 19, 2015 at 13:47

          Ah forget it, I don’t feel like getting into an argument with you at the moment.

          Reply

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 13:49

            They aren’t really arguments. It’s kinda like shouting at your wall and its only reply is to flick ten year old paint at you as its only point. Again. And again. And again.

            It gets old. Fast.

          • Pariah

            May 19, 2015 at 13:50

            I have this urge to rage at his comment but I don’t know why. DAMN THIS GAMING AFFLICTION!!!

  7. SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

    May 19, 2015 at 13:38

    I stand by my utterly ridiculous reaction to the colourful mass effect 3 endings! Even genius has moments of madness.

    Reply

    • Pariah

      May 19, 2015 at 13:38

      And you’re an expert on the latter. 😛

      Reply

      • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

        May 19, 2015 at 13:41

        Ah yes. I am an expert on being a genius. Muahahahahahahahahahaha.

        Reply

        • Pariah

          May 19, 2015 at 13:42

          Step 1: Google “Former and latter.”
          Step 2: re-read your last sentence.

          Reply

          • Kensei Seraph

            May 19, 2015 at 13:43

            Step 3: ???
            Step 4: Laugh it off as a joke.

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 13:45

            Step 5: Drink a beer and comment with “WHAT?” repeatedly.

          • Pariah

            May 19, 2015 at 13:46

            There will be lots of beer next weekend.

          • Hammersteyn

            May 19, 2015 at 13:46

            You win

          • Pariah

            May 19, 2015 at 13:46

            He does. Bastard. Why did he have to use Beer? WHY?!?!?

          • Hammersteyn

            May 19, 2015 at 13:47

            Beer + Stone Cold Steve Austin = That’s the bottom line

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 13:50

            Why? Cause Stone Cold said so!

            Austin 3:16 says I just whipped your ass!

          • Blood Emperor Trevor

            May 19, 2015 at 13:57

            WHUPPED. Not whipped. This is a family site damn it.

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 13:58

            1 000 000 apologies!

            *whupped

  8. konfab

    May 19, 2015 at 13:49

    I wonder how long ME3’s ending is going to haunt the people who didn’t understand it?

    Reply

    • Pariah

      May 19, 2015 at 13:53

      Since there’s no cure for stupidity or narrow-mindedness, a long time. 😛

      Reply

      • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

        May 19, 2015 at 13:55

        Was stupidity ending 1, 2, or 3? And narrow-mindedness? Which one was that?

        Reply

    • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

      May 19, 2015 at 13:56

      You do know that games aren’t ghosts, right? O.O

      Unless… we’re stuck in a perpetual Supernatural comedy roadshow… Nooooooo!

      Reply

  9. SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

    May 19, 2015 at 14:02

    I’m starting to think that people should only be judged on their actions of their first playthrough of ME1 through to the end of 3. We’ll see who you REALLY are, you bastards!

    Reply

    • Pariah

      May 19, 2015 at 14:02

      I killed Mordin and Tali in ME3. I saved Ashley.

      Reply

      • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

        May 19, 2015 at 14:03

        WHO SAVES ASHLEY?! She is like the most expendable person ever! Urgh! WHY ARE WE EVEN FRIENDS?!

        Reply

        • Kensei Seraph

          May 19, 2015 at 14:04

          I’ll be honest, I never really liked Kaidan and let him die on my first playthrough and didn’t really get to know him all that well in ME2 or ME3.

          Reply

          • Pariah

            May 19, 2015 at 14:05

            Kaiden was a wanker. I don’t think I’ve ever saved him.

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 14:05

            WHAT?!

          • Pariah

            May 19, 2015 at 14:05

            Not even kidding. 😛

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 14:05

            Dude. Go find a naughty corner. And stay there until the End of Days. Only God can forgive you your sins!

          • Pariah

            May 19, 2015 at 14:06

            There is no God…

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 14:06

            Well when there is no Kaiden, I can see how you’d want to think like that. 🙁

          • SargonTheBatpandaOfTI5

            May 19, 2015 at 14:05

            Kaidan was like a brother to me. 🙁 You soulless space midget!

  10. 40 Insane Frogs

    May 19, 2015 at 14:12

    I suppose Microsoft’s next game will have three possible colour-coded endings? Too soon?

    Reply

    • Cyberats

      May 19, 2015 at 23:32

      Four

      Reply

  11. 40 Insane Frogs

    May 19, 2015 at 14:25

    Is Casey Hudson joining Kudo Tsunoda on the 13th floor?

    Reply

  12. Scrippsjhon

    May 19, 2015 at 16:06

    It’s simple to make acount balance with lazygamer < I didn't believe …that…my brother woz like truly making money part time at their computer. . there aunt had bean doing this 4 only seventeen months and resantly paid the dept on there apartment and bourt themselves a Lotus Elise .

    see this her SEE MORE DETAIL

    Reply

  13. Ghost In The Rift

    May 19, 2015 at 21:25

    So when your done using Hololens will you be presented with a blue,red,green off button?

    Reply

  14. Cyberats

    May 19, 2015 at 23:14

    I like the ending of ME3, destroy technology or wipe out humanoids to end the wars spanning the galaxy. Cerberus having the view that we can merge all genetics and become a new species was also a good idea. As much as I hated the transition of my char., from something morally superior to soldier grunt.

    Reply

  15. Cyberats

    May 19, 2015 at 23:31

    What I absolutely hated was a Shepard animation that looked like he had a banana up his ass at all times. Those Asians are really bad animators when it comes to realism, no vision & no innovation.

    Reply

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