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Our legal woes continue and it’s costing a fortune

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High Court in Pretoria

As our regular readers are well aware I am currently in legal wrangling with the ex-President and current General Secretary of the MSSA, Colin Webster.

Unfortunately since the case is currently on going which means I can’t talk that much about it. But to put it in simple terms Mr Webster took offence to something that I posted on this website and has taken his complaints to the High Court in Pretoria. The very same court Oscar Pistorious is currently facing murder charges in.

Seems excessive to me but hey the legal system is a complicated beast and this is where we are.

I’m currently being represented by the great team at Webber Wentzel who are specialists in these matters and we’ve made, what I felt was a fair, settlement offer but this was rejected and I in turn rejected the requested settlement discussions from Mr Webster.

What this means is that we need a judge to decide and now we are effectively doomed to litigation which is a horrifically expensive and painful experience.

The last time I requested help with the legal funds you guys and girls were incredible and raised an incredible R23 800 which blew me away. Added to the R20 000 I have thrown in already and we now have a legal fund of R43 800 which I was sure would be more than enough.

I was wrong. The legal team has quoted an estimated cost of R60 000 which is including a 15% discount as they feel this is an important case to fight.

But that cost also excludes the Advocate and since you require an Advocate to enter the High Court we have been quoted an extra R40 000 for a day and a half. Yeah we’re all in the wrong industry aren’t we.

Thankfully we seem to be confirming an Advocate at around half that price but it still means I’m around R35 000 down.

So I again turn to the community and ask that if you are able to help out in any way and feel this fight is worth fighting then I would be most humbled if you could send your donations into my dedicated legal fund account.

Gavin Mannion
FNB
Account Number: 62459882413
Branch Code: 255955

Or if straight charity isn’t your thing then another way you can help us out here is to buy one of our awesome “I saved lazygamer’s bacon” t-shirts that we’ve designed. There’s also a Collector’s Edition includes genuine armpit stains from the LG crew. No, not really. 

Save us

They are going for R300 and are good quality shirts. We will hopefully make around R160-R180 profit per shirt. Oh and we have 6 of the other shirts listed for sale at only R150, these shirts are never going to be manufactured again so grab it before you lose out.

But we’re not monsters here, for all the people who have already donated R300 or more we’re going to send you a shiny new shirt. Please send me an email gavin@lazygamer.net with your size, address and deposit reference so I can check it up. So make sure you get yourself and every one else on the planet an awesome bacon t-shirt.

My court date is on Tuesday at 10am. Hopefully at that time we will have a final answer regarding all of this.

Last Updated: March 13, 2014

204 Comments

  1. VampyreSquirrel

    March 13, 2014 at 10:35

    lol cool shirt… hopefully we can help a bit more.

    Reply

  2. HvR

    March 13, 2014 at 10:38

    Dibs on one of the old shirts, sent you a mail Gav.

    Reply

  3. Craig "Crios" Boonzaier

    March 13, 2014 at 10:39

    Done!
    Hope the community comes together to help, and you can get this sorted out once and for all.

    Reply

  4. Alien Emperor Trevor

    March 13, 2014 at 10:42

    No thanks, I’d rather pay for the t-shirt than get a free one.

    Reply

    • General JJ the Fett

      March 13, 2014 at 11:23

      Same here.

      Reply

  5. Umar Praise The Golden Sun

    March 13, 2014 at 10:43

    Really wish I could……… 🙁 All the best though!

    Reply

  6. Macethy

    March 13, 2014 at 10:43

    Quick question: Is Mr Webster so rich that he can afford to stay in litigation/court for so long, or is he getting his legal fund from a more public (government?) fund?

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      March 13, 2014 at 10:44

      I don’t know the answer to that.. there are theories that his friends are doing most of it for free or that he writes all his own legal documents and just gets a lawyer to stamp it off… but I really don’t know

      Reply

    • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

      March 13, 2014 at 11:07

      Either that or he has friends in high places

      Reply

      • VampyreSquirrel

        March 13, 2014 at 11:13

        Or he’s just high and doesn’t care what it’ll cost him?

        Reply

        • General JJ the Fett

          March 13, 2014 at 11:24

          I have other words. But I shall not state them for the sake of possibly being sued myself. Sounds like he’s upset easily.

          Reply

  7. HvR

    March 13, 2014 at 10:44

    Thought R40k wasn’t enough. My last legal bill (no civil or legal action etc just something that has to be handled by lawyers as prescribed by law) was R100k, the original qoute was R60k.

    One of the biggest firms in South Africa and I had to do all the work because they are stupid to get anything done since they use “clerks” they pay R5000 a month to attempt to do the actual work. Even had to fix two errors in the invoice because they can not perform basic addition.

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      March 13, 2014 at 10:46

      oh crap that doesn’t sound good at all..

      Reply

      • HvR

        March 13, 2014 at 10:49

        One of item they couldn’t sort out in 18 months took me 3 lunch breaks and half a dozen of calls.

        Reply

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      March 13, 2014 at 10:51

      To be fair, adding up in Latin is tricky, and then they have to translate it.

      Reply

    • Sandelk

      March 13, 2014 at 11:06

      Lawyers are also subject to the consumer protection act, so if you are not happy with the services, bring it to their attention and demand refunds. I did that before when I found the lawyers incompetent and they would rather give me a massive discount than face the disgrace of going to court over bad ethical practices…. I didn’t need a lawyer to do this – but its important that you do know a little bit of the law.

      Reply

      • HvR

        March 13, 2014 at 11:08

        Unfortunately this was before CPA, so I would have had to hire another incompetent lawyer to fight the first one.

        Reply

        • Sandelk

          March 13, 2014 at 11:51

          Unlucky – lawyers can be nasty

          Reply

  8. Tarisma

    March 13, 2014 at 10:44

    Shirts are out of stock?

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      March 13, 2014 at 10:45

      Should be able to place a back order.. but let me fix that

      Reply

      • Tarisma

        March 13, 2014 at 10:45

        Thats fine not really bothered when I get it

        Reply

        • VampyreSquirrel

          March 13, 2014 at 10:49

          Might take a year to get it lol

          *hides from @lazygamers:disqus *

          Reply

  9. RinceIsIngwer

    March 13, 2014 at 10:46

    I can see potential T-Shirt purchasers having to take you to court to get the actual T-Shirts sent to us 😛

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      March 13, 2014 at 10:46

      What took you so long

      You’ll be happy to know that Zoe is handlng the logistics this time

      Reply

      • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

        March 13, 2014 at 10:49

        Thank [insert deity name here] 😛

        Reply

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          March 13, 2014 at 10:49

          You’re welcome.

          Reply

          • Admiral Chief of comments

            March 13, 2014 at 10:51

            He said deity, not doody

            😛

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            March 13, 2014 at 11:00

            I know, I didn’t think he was worshiping EA’s golden poo.

      • TiMsTeR1033

        March 13, 2014 at 10:50

        She is pretty good with it, got my stuff all rather quickly.

        Reply

  10. Sir Rants A Lot Llew. Jelly!!!

    March 13, 2014 at 10:48

    Sorry Gav, this time round I have no cash to support. Just spent R5k this morning on fixing my car 🙁 I am flat out broke!

    I’m really upset that he refuses to settle out of court. I wonder if he realises he is hurting more than just you? What about your staff, your family? What is his purpose? To bring you to ruin while bringing all those around you to ruin as well? Just coz he is upset that you said some things about him? Is he really the kind to destroy multiple lives in the name of revenge?

    This really pisses me off!

    Colin, if you are reading this, please just stop! You are not just going to ruin Gavin, but everyone else around him. Just think about that. Do you really need or want that on your conscious?

    Reply

    • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

      March 13, 2014 at 10:50

      Highly doubt that he has a conscience

      Reply

      • Admiral Chief of comments

        March 13, 2014 at 10:50

        lolz

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    • Gavin Mannion

      March 13, 2014 at 10:50

      I can say I was surprised that he didn’t take what I felt was a more than fair offer. I guess we will find out on Tuesday what the end goal is?

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      • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

        March 13, 2014 at 10:53

        End goal: Revenge.

        Just reinforces to me how much of a nasty piece of work he is.

        Colin Webster. The guy who wants to grow the local gaming scene in SA by destroying one of the best local gaming sites around. Because fuck logic.

        Reply

        • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

          March 13, 2014 at 11:08

          Pretty much this. Strong conviction for revenge will lead man past the bounds of their own limitations….It seems pretty much now like an act of vengeance.

          Reply

      • Sir Rants A Lot Llew. Jelly!!!

        March 13, 2014 at 11:00

        I hope that somewhere along the lines something clicks and he realises he isn’t going to get much out of this.

        If you are found completely innocent, how much does he have to cover again? I remember you saying you can’t even claim the full amount back that you had to spend on protection?

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        • Gavin Mannion

          March 13, 2014 at 11:36

          On average arund 33% of costs are returned if they rule that he will need to cover costs.. which is about R40 000 in total

          Reply

          • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

            March 13, 2014 at 11:38

            What are you going to do with the money that has been returned? I still say that you need to make a shop where we can buy LG goodies! Like a mug with the crews… uh… mugs on it 😛

          • Gavin Mannion

            March 13, 2014 at 11:53

            Any money left over will be offered back to the people who donated it as a percentage of what was donated.

            We also have a plan to help eSports in SA that will be revealed after the case is over.

            The site we are selling from is actually owned by us so I just need to get some stuff up there

          • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

            March 13, 2014 at 12:03

            Seems fair, but no need to put me on that list. What I gave was meant for a good cause and so it will be better to add it to help eSports in SA… and regarding the store, who wouldn’t want a mug like this?…

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            March 13, 2014 at 12:39

            low poly head model *snigger*

          • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

            March 13, 2014 at 12:49

            I could find a better picture, but that would mean that I need to stalk him on Facebook O_o

          • VampyreSquirrel

            March 13, 2014 at 13:03

            Wait your not stalking him on Facebook yet?

          • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

            March 13, 2014 at 13:08

            No *quickly closes facebook* why would I do that?

          • RinceIsIngwer

            March 13, 2014 at 15:59

            I remember OVG saying that 😛

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            March 13, 2014 at 16:03

            Yes. Hence the snigger. 😛

          • RinceIsIngwer

            March 13, 2014 at 15:59

            A mug on a mug, Mugception!

          • Marc O Polo

            March 13, 2014 at 21:05

            an expanded shop would be cool, will maybe a portion of the profits going to esports or another good cause… or a future legal fund!!!!

          • Sir Rants A Lot Llew. Jelly!!!

            March 13, 2014 at 12:28

            Eish. So in other words a crap ton still outa your own pockets

    • Admiral Chief of comments

      March 13, 2014 at 10:50

      Colin has no *conscience

      Reply

      • Sir Rants A Lot Llew. Jelly!!!

        March 13, 2014 at 10:52

        Thanx for the spelling. I thought something looked odd

        Reply

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      March 13, 2014 at 10:52

      The word “vindictive” springs to mind.

      Reply

      • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

        March 13, 2014 at 10:54

        Another word springs to my mind that needs to come after “vindictive”. It is four letters long and starts with a capital C.

        Reply

        • Sir Rants A Lot Llew. Jelly!!!

          March 13, 2014 at 10:55

          Cake?

          Reply

          • Admiral Chief of comments

            March 13, 2014 at 10:56

            That’s a lie

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            March 13, 2014 at 11:00

            Cake is truth, sir. And don’t you forget it!

      • Brenz

        March 13, 2014 at 10:55

        The word “cunt” springs to mind.

        Reply

        • RinceIsIngwer

          March 13, 2014 at 10:55

          HAHAHAH! Nicely said.

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        • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

          March 13, 2014 at 10:58

          Cake*

          Fixed. 😀

          Just so you don’t get sued by Colin. 😉

          Reply

          • HvR

            March 13, 2014 at 11:00

            I didn’t mean to say piece of donkey dick excrement, I meant say nice bloke. Damn auto-correct.

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          March 13, 2014 at 10:58

          As a client told me once, when talking about my then boss, “He’s a cunt. No I take that back, a cunt’s useful.”

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          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            March 13, 2014 at 10:59

            LOL! My dad says this about referees when watching Football all the time. Particularly when Liverpool are losing. 😛

          • Brenz

            March 13, 2014 at 10:59

            That is a valid point!

        • Hammersteyn

          March 13, 2014 at 10:59

          ROFL

          Reply

    • Guild

      March 13, 2014 at 12:11

      Yip, I had a similar thing with fixing my car. Taxi decided to drive into my car on Malibongwe because hey apparently I was blocking him from driving further on the curb and he wanted to get off it. Got to love our Country. Made my donation just wish I could give more.

      Reply

      • Sir Rants A Lot Llew. Jelly!!!

        March 13, 2014 at 12:27

        Mine was just a case of falling apart 🙁 So looking for a new car

        Reply

        • Guild

          March 13, 2014 at 12:39

          Got a mate who just went through an unfortunate divorce. His selling the ex’s bright orange Suzuki car if you are interested. Well looked after and low mileage

          Reply

          • Sir Rants A Lot Llew. Jelly!!!

            March 13, 2014 at 12:53

            I’m sorry to hear that. Can’t imagine that’s nice to go through that?

            Is the car still in maintenance plan period?

          • Guild

            March 13, 2014 at 13:02

            It was one very messed up story. The car only has 15000km on the clock and it has a service plan till 90000km

          • Sir Rants A Lot Llew. Jelly!!!

            March 13, 2014 at 13:12

            well what price range they looking at?

          • Guild

            March 13, 2014 at 13:32

            I can send you his number if you want. It’s probably easier.

  11. RinceIsIngwer

    March 13, 2014 at 10:48

    Might be easier to just add Gavin as a beneficiary to my internet banking…

    Reply

    • Hammersteyn

      March 13, 2014 at 10:58

      Is this tax deductible? We are supporting a good cause

      Reply

      • ToshZA

        March 13, 2014 at 11:00

        Donations are tax deductible I believe.

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        • HvR

          March 13, 2014 at 11:00

          Only to registered charities.

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          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            March 13, 2014 at 11:01

            Solution. Gavin. Register Lazygamer as a charity for Gamers in SA. 😀

            *Edit: It’s not like you make much money anyway. 🙂

          • HvR

            March 13, 2014 at 11:02

            The he has to convince the government Darryn is a caring charity worker.

          • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

            March 13, 2014 at 11:03

            Yeah. You’re right. I don’t see this plan working. 🙁 BatDarryn is beyond the scope of Governmental structures.

          • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

            March 13, 2014 at 11:04

            That or the charity case… I think they will have a better chance at convincing the government of that O_o

          • HvR

            March 13, 2014 at 11:05

            Special needs employment?

          • Brenz

            March 13, 2014 at 11:06

            What about using Darryn as a charity case?

          • ToshZA

            March 13, 2014 at 11:04

            Well that’s a pity. 🙁

  12. RinceIsIngwer

    March 13, 2014 at 10:51

    Can’t seem to choose T-Shirt size?

    Reply

    • Admiral Chief of comments

      March 13, 2014 at 10:52

      Look under the [Wine Stained] section for the Ingwer size

      Reply

      • RinceIsIngwer

        March 13, 2014 at 10:52

        I did and nutting!

        Reply

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          March 13, 2014 at 11:14

          Try searching for men’s clothing.

          Reply

          • VampyreSquirrel

            March 13, 2014 at 11:17

            Definitely won’t find it in there.

    • Hammersteyn

      March 13, 2014 at 10:57

      Send some cash and mail gavin your size. They don’t have XXXS I would think

      Reply

      • RinceIsIngwer

        March 13, 2014 at 10:58

        You can shut your tramp mouth!

        Reply

        • TiMsTeR1033

          March 13, 2014 at 10:59

          A PURDY MOUTH

          Reply

        • Hammersteyn

          March 13, 2014 at 10:59

          ROFL I love this site

          Reply

          • RinceIsIngwer

            March 13, 2014 at 11:01

            hehehe

  13. TiMsTeR1033

    March 13, 2014 at 10:52

    Odd Question can I make or anyone else make a catchy image that others or you guys can post on social media to get peoples attention to buy a tshirt and saved your bacon?

    Reply

  14. Admiral Chief of comments

    March 13, 2014 at 10:53

    We need a Lazygamer Gamer Lawyer!

    Reply

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      March 13, 2014 at 10:54

      Who’s going to post a Phoenix Wright picture first? Umar or Banana Jim? The race is on.

      Reply

      • Sir Rants A Lot Llew. Jelly!!!

        March 13, 2014 at 10:55

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          March 13, 2014 at 10:57

          lol.

          You’ve seen them. Can you blame me? trollol.

          Reply

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 13, 2014 at 11:05

            lolz ………………………………………………..
            I was going to pot a pic 🙁

          • VampyreSquirrel

            March 13, 2014 at 11:18

            that pot as in weed, or what weed grows in?

            Edit: Or what you cook in?

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 13, 2014 at 11:19

            God dammit Squirrel!! You know what I mean lol

          • VampyreSquirrel

            March 13, 2014 at 11:23

            Yeah I do, but it’s more fun to mess with you.

          • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

            March 13, 2014 at 11:25

            Don’t let me take you to court! 😛

          • VampyreSquirrel

            March 13, 2014 at 11:39

            game of tennis? cool!

    • HvR

      March 13, 2014 at 14:30

      I volunteer but I have no law degree. All my court room experience is from watching a lot Boston Legal and Awolnation videos.

      Reply

  15. Rags

    March 13, 2014 at 10:54

    Asshole!
    Time for gamers should show some support outside the court building imo. Could bring in some media attention about the scandalous way the MSSA is run!

    Reply

    • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

      March 13, 2014 at 10:55

      Good thing that there will be reporters there already

      Reply

  16. Hammersteyn

    March 13, 2014 at 10:55

    Done and done, with a smile on my face. Up yours Colin!

    Reply

  17. SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

    March 13, 2014 at 10:56

    Hey Gavin. I’d really really like to help out but I’m still a fairly poor and lowly gamer embroiled in my studies. I wish you the best though, because this isn’t fair at all. My chi is with you.

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    • Umar Praise The Golden Sun

      March 13, 2014 at 11:10

      Same here. All I have is chi at the moment. so take all my chi Gav. I give it all to you

      Reply

      • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

        March 13, 2014 at 11:34

        They are busy with a defamation lawsuit… not making a spirit bomb 😛

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        • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

          March 13, 2014 at 12:36

          Idea. Hire Goku as your lawyer. Then it’d be a game of STFU Colin Webster. Eat this SPIRIT BOMB? Not enough for you? Kamehameha!

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  18. James Anderton

    March 13, 2014 at 10:56

    Shut up and take my money. Good luck Gavin!

    Reply

    • Hammersteyn

      March 13, 2014 at 10:56

      lol

      Reply

  19. Kensei Seraph

    March 13, 2014 at 11:00

    Good luck.

    Reply

  20. Sandelk

    March 13, 2014 at 11:03

    Sorry Gav, but your lawyers are truly ripping you off – going to court is not that expensive. Hope you win the case though and that Colin pays the majority of the fees…

    Reply

    • Brady miaau

      March 13, 2014 at 11:03

      indeed. R10 000 to R15 000 k a day for the advocate, surely?

      Reply

      • HvR

        March 13, 2014 at 11:18

        It is one of those industries that can do with some regulation.

        If a lawyers clerk phones you you get charge anything from R50 to R300 even if they only get your voicemail.

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        • Brady miaau

          March 13, 2014 at 11:30

          I know, some exp with it. Labour lawyers, R800 for a letter to my employer. R600 for the 20 minutes to meet with them to describe the need. But I paid for the knowledge, the guy gave a canned letter, written long ago, but he put years of work experience and knowledge in, so I was happy.

          The housing stuff annoys me. I phone the legal council for this area (I kid not) and asked about the bill the banks (they told me it was my lawyer, but they instructed and I paid) lawyer for the house bond a few years back.

          My lawyer charged the maximum agreed upon fee for EVERY single item. R500 for posting a letter, for example. I was not happy.

          I know an advocate, does very well for himself. And he told my how much he charges for various services. Not near what was quoted here!

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          • HvR

            March 13, 2014 at 11:52

            I think what really bugs me is the amount of money going to an sector that doesn’t create, innovate or enrich.

          • Anon A Mouse

            March 13, 2014 at 12:24

            This!!

          • Brady miaau

            March 13, 2014 at 12:44

            Upvote this!, i.e. HvR comment

        • Anon A Mouse

          March 13, 2014 at 12:52

          It is regulated, the problem is it is regulated by the same attorneys that you’re trying to fight. You can go the route of asking the court to tax the invoice but there is a problem with that as well. The court adds 5% to the invoice just for the attorney to draw up the invoice. If the court taxes the invoice and the cost isn’t less than 10% of the fee asked by the attorney then they award another 5% to the attorney. In other words you can end up paying more for the services rendered after the taxing than before. It also takes months for this to happen and the attorneys knows it. That’s why they ask whatever they want to ask because they’ve made certain that their backsides are well and truly covered.

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    • Brenz

      March 13, 2014 at 11:04

      Going to court with a lucky packet lawyer is not that expensive, but I would think when you aim to win and you want the best, you pay the price

      Reply

      • ToshZA

        March 13, 2014 at 11:04

        Pretty much this. Lawyers and advocates are damn expensive when they’re good. The more they win, the more they charge.

        Reply

        • Willem Swanepoel

          March 13, 2014 at 11:22

          Prokeroof

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    • Riaan

      March 13, 2014 at 14:03

      Well it happens when u hire the most expensive ones u can find. Am i seriously the only one that thinks its pathetic to cause shit and then expect the public to pay for your mess.

      Reply

      • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

        March 13, 2014 at 14:11

        Why are you talking to yourself like this? 1st you wish him luck and then call him pathetic? O_o

        Reply

        • Gavin Mannion

          March 13, 2014 at 14:14

          They are not the same person…

          Reply

          • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

            March 13, 2014 at 14:18

            Both seem to be logged in as Sandelk and there are a couple more that were the same before I refreshed the pageO_o… Did you see the screen grab I took?

            But if I am wrong then I do apologies

          • Gavin Mannion

            March 13, 2014 at 14:21

            Disqus has bugs sometimes… but no the IP address of those two are different

          • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

            March 13, 2014 at 14:25

            Seems legit 😛

      • FSR

        March 14, 2014 at 10:04

        No, I’m #teamRiaan .

        Reply

  21. Trebzz

    March 13, 2014 at 11:06

    You guys are gonna win hands down and we shall support wherever we can 🙂

    Reply

    • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

      March 13, 2014 at 11:16

      As a Man Utd fan (based on that pic), you know a lot about support during a trying and turbulent time, while hoping for victory. 😉

      Reply

      • Anon A Mouse

        March 13, 2014 at 12:22

        As a Liverpool fan I can actually have a good chuckle at this this year..

        Reply

      • Trebzz

        March 13, 2014 at 12:24

        It’s been a bad season and I said it once and I will say it again #MoyesOut 😛 I’m not looking forward to this Sunday as Liverpool will destroy them.

        Reply

        • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

          March 13, 2014 at 12:30

          I haven’t heard a Man Utd fan say this for as long as I’ve supported Liverpool. Sjoe.

          I reckon it’ll still be a good game though. You can never kill that flame of rivalry. I think it’ll be close.

          Reply

  22. RinceIsIngwer

    March 13, 2014 at 11:10

    Right, bought, now the waiting game starts 0-O

    Reply

    • VampyreSquirrel

      March 13, 2014 at 11:19

      Zoe’s doing logistics… just hope her hipster MAC doesn’t mess up

      Reply

      • RinceIsIngwer

        March 13, 2014 at 11:21

        I’ll believe it when I am wearing the Tshirt!

        Reply

        • SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad

          March 13, 2014 at 12:37

          Did you include Ginger Tax in your purchase? It’s new. It’s okay if you forgot. It’s only 100% – since enabling those without a soul will cost business owners once they stand in front of the gates of heaven and all…

          They’ve gotta cover those costs.

          Reply

  23. General JJ the Fett

    March 13, 2014 at 11:15

    Finally I can have an LG shirt!!! Buying this. Right now

    Reply

  24. Mighty Meh

    March 13, 2014 at 11:16

    How big are the T-shirts?

    Im not a big guy but I tend to buy Large’s most of the time because they tend to shrink in the wash which makes a medium just too small.

    Reply

    • General JJ the Fett

      March 13, 2014 at 11:17

      Check the link dood. Choose your own adventure.

      Reply

      • HvR

        March 13, 2014 at 11:19

        I think he meant is it South African Large, China Large or Eyeliner boy Large.

        Reply

        • Mighty Meh

          March 13, 2014 at 11:19

          This

          Reply

        • General JJ the Fett

          March 13, 2014 at 11:19

          No one is Eyeliner boy large.

          Reply

          • Mossel

            March 13, 2014 at 11:39

            LOL!

    • Gavin Mannion

      March 13, 2014 at 11:34

      erm they are normal sized… I wear a XL in these shirts and most normal Woolies shirts.

      Reply

  25. JustAnotherGamer

    March 13, 2014 at 11:21

    This better not go to your bacon fund 😛 But seriously where do we donate?

    Reply

    • HvR

      March 13, 2014 at 11:25

      Bank detail listed in article for direct donations. If you want a shirt follow the link to order and pay.

      Reply

  26. Scratch17

    March 13, 2014 at 11:31

    Done. It’s not much, unfortunately. Month’s been a little rough. Let’s hope the community pulls through on this one. Best of luck, man.

    Reply

  27. Guild

    March 13, 2014 at 11:42

    lol Cool shirts…I’m still waiting on the Braveheart clip from Gavin. More funds headed your way and I’m hoping things turn around soon on this.

    Reply

  28. Paul Fouche

    March 13, 2014 at 11:43

    how much you still need gangsta ?

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      March 13, 2014 at 14:08

      There have been some very generous donations but I’m expecting to have to cover around R30k more myself.

      Reply

  29. Andrew Craucamp

    March 13, 2014 at 11:45

    Gavin, you are not considering that you are once again abusing the very platform you initially used to slate Colin, to garner public support for yourself and thus turn public opinion against him. You keep digging yourself deeper when a little humility would have solved all your problems. Disclaimer; i don’t know this Colin guy from a bar of soap and i hate abuse of defamation laws but i’ve read some of your MSSA articles and i’m commenting here to give you some much needed perspective.

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      March 13, 2014 at 11:56

      Hi Andrew. I asked my legal team before posting these sorts of articles and they have no issue with them.

      I see this as using the very platform my team and I have built from nothing to protect the platform.

      My only issue with Mr Webster’s actions is that I have not yet been given a chance to put my case to a judge. Which will be recitified on Tuesday

      Reply

    • Johan du Preez

      March 13, 2014 at 12:27

      Really it seems to me like you are Mr Colin’s lapdog … your tone speaks volumes.

      Reply

      • Brady miaau

        March 13, 2014 at 12:52

        How?

        Reply

    • Riaan

      March 13, 2014 at 14:11

      I totally agree with you Andrew. Some perspective on this hate the MSSA and Colin hype train is dearly needed.

      Actions have consequences.

      Gavin`s whole approach has been unprofessional and childish. And I must say, hiring the most expensive lawyers u can find and then expecting the public to pay for it is just showcases the lack of maturity that underpins the whole MSSA lazygamer saga.

      You made your bed, don`t expect others to lie in it.

      Reply

      • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

        March 13, 2014 at 14:12

        Again, 1st you wish him luck then dis him with your next comment? O_o

        Reply

        • Riaan

          March 13, 2014 at 14:18

          Can you perhaps point out where I wish him luck?

          And its not dissing its giving advice which is sorely needed, jesus this site is immature. Go ahead give your money away.

          Nice to see that lazygamer also delete comments that don`t fit their viewpoints.

          Reply

          • Gavin Mannion

            March 13, 2014 at 14:19

            We do not delete any comments at all unless they are racist, homophobic or promoting illegal activity..

            I will check the automated spam checker.. maybe it got stuck

            [Update] Checked, nothing you posted was in there…

          • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

            March 13, 2014 at 14:22

            See attached screen shot I took… Both comments were made under Sandelk. After I refreshed some of the posts made by Sandelk either turned to Andy or Riaan, or stayed Sandelk.

            That is what caused the confusion. And I did apologies if I am wrong in any way. but it did seem suspicious and like some one is just trolling for attention.

  30. Kaya

    March 13, 2014 at 12:17

    My advice to you guys is try and settle rather than keep this nonsense going. Mr Webster is going to draw this out as long as possible especially after seeing these types of articles and at the end of it the only winner will be the lawyers.

    Use it don’t use it, but sadly your costs will more than likely go well above R100k if you keep trying to fight this.

    Reply

    • Unavengedavo(aka. Bilbo)

      March 13, 2014 at 12:34

      According to the article they did try and settle, but it was rejected and now needs to go to court.

      Reply

      • Kaya

        March 13, 2014 at 12:37

        We don’t know what that figure was, it could end up being less than the overall legal fees. Regardless these types of battles only end up enriching lawyers.

        Reply

        • Gavin Mannion

          March 13, 2014 at 13:00

          I don’t know if settelement offers are private so I can’t say what happened.

          financials were not discussed though.

          Reply

          • Kaya

            March 13, 2014 at 13:04

            I don’t think you should disclose anything like that anyway! Just don’t want to see you guys fight this from a moral standpoint only to take a serious, and potentially crippling, financial blow.

          • Gavin Mannion

            March 13, 2014 at 13:11

            Yeah that is not our goal. We would like this to be put to rest as quickly and amiciably as possible. We simply want to keep reporting on the local industry and more importantly on enjoing the gaming industry.

            I am pushing hard to finish this in a reasonable and speedy fashion

          • Kaya

            March 13, 2014 at 13:38

            I hope it is! Good luck!

    • VampyreSquirrel

      March 13, 2014 at 12:36

      From what I’ve seen and heard from Gavin himself is that they tried to settle out of court, but Mr Webster rejected the offer, so hopefully a settlement can be agreed on in court, and Mr Webster is half reasonable.

      Reply

  31. Sk3tz0

    March 13, 2014 at 12:18

    I got a fat ass.. whats the largest those t shirt come in.. FYI that Webster dude needs a fat PK..

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      March 13, 2014 at 12:59

      2XL is the largest we’ve ordered before but if you want a bigger one I can try ask for a larger one

      Reply

  32. Andy

    March 13, 2014 at 12:25

    Is Colin using tax payers money for this?

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      March 13, 2014 at 12:58

      No I would think this is his personal finances being used

      Reply

  33. Johan du Preez

    March 13, 2014 at 12:30

    Is there not a way to sue MSSA for ruining esports in South Africa ?

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      March 13, 2014 at 12:58

      Litigation is extremely expensive and risky… it is an option

      Reply

  34. Andy

    March 13, 2014 at 12:35

    Gavin, you should look into professional liability insurance. Some sort of umbrella to protect yourself and your business against chancers
    What happens to people who don’t have the money to go to court to defend themselves? Legal system is stupid.

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      March 13, 2014 at 12:58

      Yeah I am looking at the idea of liability insurance to ensure we are covered next time.

      Reply

  35. William Francis

    March 13, 2014 at 13:14

    Just dropped you some cash. Savin’ your bacon!

    Reply

  36. Riaan

    March 13, 2014 at 14:00

    Have you no shame.

    Actions have consequences sorry you are learning that the hard way, but to expect the public to foot the bill for your childish and negligent actions is pathetic on another level.

    You had an axe to grind with Colin and boy did you do it with relish. You used every opportunity you had to heap scorn on Colin and the MSSA. That can righteously be perceived as harassment. I do not blame Colin Webster I blame your childish and unprofessional behavior.

    And then you have the gall to hire the most expensive lawyers you can find and expect the public to pay for it. Jesus dude grow up.

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      March 13, 2014 at 14:08

      Just to clarify the legal action is not around harrassment at all. The previous articles regarding what I felt were the misguided actons of the MSSA were done because I felt the MSSA was ether bullying eSports teams or holding unofficial test matches and selling them to sponsors as official.

      I have a ton of shame and it hurts me more than anything to ask the community for help but I feel we have been unfairly targetted in legal action and I have to try and save the site and my family.

      I’m well aware that my form of reporting doesn’t sit well with everyone and that is perfectly fine. However having my freedom curtailed is something very serious.

      Thanks for your comment.. I do try read all of them

      Reply

      • Riaan

        March 13, 2014 at 14:35

        I really am sorry for your troubles as I would not wish a legal dispute on my worst enemy. I do not support either side but instead hope that you and MR webster can find a way to amicably solve a situation which has obviously spiraled out of control.

        Reply

    • dusky

      March 13, 2014 at 16:50

      Riaan how about you let us a part of the public choose how we want to respond. You don’t speak for me I can make my own decisions and have chosen to support Lazy. You have
      your own choice.

      Reply

  37. Riaan.

    March 13, 2014 at 14:32

    Please understand Gavin that I take no pleasure in this as I have legal experience and understand what its like to be involved in these situations.

    There is no schadenfreude, merely irritation at the fact that you don`t seem to grasp that these are the consequences of your actions, and by expecting the public to pay for your mistakes, you are not taking responsibility.

    And yes I am taking the time to argue something on the internet (what have I become) simply because I do not view this as a righteous cause and it grinds me because I have legitimate legal problems not of my own making which I cannot get solved because of the costs involved, so I become bitter when you take to a public platform to ask for money for overpriced lawyers to defend something that could have been solved by simply being mature, taking the high road ( the best road ) and apologising.

    I have said what I came here to say and do not wish to engage in internet flame wars.

    But ffs guard your tongue and think about consequences before you shoot of at the mouth. Be professional.

    By the way have you thought about perhaps issuing a public apology to MR Webster and the MSSA, they might not accept it, but courts love contrition and it would definitely count in your favour.

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      March 13, 2014 at 14:37

      An apology was not accepted, I really didn’t want it to go like this and yes I could have hired cheaper lawyers. However I believe strongly that you should always get the very best service when you require something.

      Asking the community is my way of not selling my car to pay for this but that is still an option I will do to ensure we are not oppressed.

      As for it not taking any toll on me, that is unfortunately not true. My wife is rightly more than pissed at me and this law suit is causing a huge strain on our relationship.

      Lazygamer started as my personal hobby and I still have a full time job that I use to support the site. Now the hobby could result in us losing a car and possibly more. Trust me I’m feeling the pain.

      I’m sorry you have issues of your own, if there is anyway I can help just let me know.

      Reply

      • Riaan

        March 13, 2014 at 14:59

        Thank you for the offer Gavin but unless you have a time machine that can make me not stick dick in crazy im afraid it wont be any help.

        I am sorry that this is having a negative effect on your personal life but keep hope that this will not be permanent.

        As someone with a law degree and exposure to the legal field I can honestly say that the best advice anyone can give you is to stay as far away from lawyers and courts as possible. Lawyers do not act in your interest as it is in their interest to drag the matter out so they can continue to charge you.

        I am sorry I called you pathetic by the way (emotions) i could have chosen a better word to portray my feelings, unbecoming of a professional organization would have worked better.

        I sincerely hope that you do not suffer too much financially and emotionally and that you can continue to pursue your passion and hobby.

        Perhaps just pursue the MSSA less passionately.

        Kind regards.

        Reply

        • Gavin Mannion

          March 13, 2014 at 15:27

          Lol I have no issues with you calling me pathetic.. as you rightly point out I maybe let my emotions get away with me sometimes 🙂

          Ah you do really have to be careful where you stick your dick… always seems like a good idea at the time

          As for your last line, this is exactly the problem with the legal system. If you have someone who is willing to swing it around like their own personal toy everyone has to run and hide. It’s exactly why I found the very best legal representation around. The idea being that this will be the only time this happens to us.

          Reply

    • Dr Alukard PhD

      March 13, 2014 at 22:59

      Yeah, it’s not like hindsight is 20/20. It’s true that you are entitled to your opinion, something however that is diminished, in my opinion, by your comment(s) and name calling (blah blah blah shoot of at the mouth. Be professional) – hypocrite much – I think somewhere you use the word “pathetic”.

      Yes, I do like the LG site and I think their passion is what makes the site.

      But for me the bigger issue is should LG be ‘gagged’ for expressing their opinion? One that whilst being “sub judice” is debatable as to it’s legality – they are entitled too it. And Colin, in his role as a public figure, surely allows greater scrutiny than a private individual (look at the judges ruling of the so called “trial of the century” Pistorius (spelling) trial.

      And I find it fundamentally reprehensible that purely from a lack of funds someone can lose a legal case or be frightened to stand up to someone/organisation – I fully understand the realities of life, money will usually win out. But I am happy to do what little I can to stand up for what I think is right.

      I feel for you with your current legal worries and I wish you the best of luck in an expedient and favourable outcome.

      And to LG, let me know at the end of the month and I am happy to help out again.

      Reply

    • FSR

      March 14, 2014 at 08:55

      THANK YOU! I said the same thing after the first “Charity drive”.

      Reply

  38. Chip

    March 13, 2014 at 15:56

    Perhaps once this debacle is over then Gavin can take donations from the Lagz groupies to fund him for a few journalism courses, so that in the future he can preserve his own bacon.

    Reply

  39. Devourer of Small Bunnies

    March 13, 2014 at 17:24

    Aw Gav. You guys even in kak, still manage to be awesome. Man I really hope shit gets sorted painlessly.

    Reply

    • Gavin Mannion

      March 13, 2014 at 17:42

      We aim to please :)…

      I think painlessly is no longer an option. But really you guys are all the awesome ones.. so humbling

      Reply

      • bluegoon

        March 13, 2014 at 18:02

        I’ll buy LG from you for R10 000 cash, let me know if you want to.

        Reply

        • Gavin Mannion

          March 13, 2014 at 18:03

          tempting.. add two more zeroes and change the currency and we can start talking 🙂

          Reply

          • bluegoon

            March 13, 2014 at 18:07

            lol, dude good luck with the trial, hope you manage to clear this without much damage. You could sell LG if you really needed the injection I guess without having to resort to loans etc.

            If the case would drag with this kind of costing it’s going to be dangerous.

            Passop vir ryk mense, sad, but true.

          • Gavin Mannion

            March 13, 2014 at 18:14

            Selling my dream and something I’ve pumped years of my life into would probably kill me.

          • bluegoon

            March 13, 2014 at 18:16

            You’re going to have to prepare yourself mentally for discharging the site in the event that dude wins, you’ll be able to start up a new site in no time, you have the userbase for it etc. Won’t be the end of the world.

          • bluegoon

            March 13, 2014 at 18:24

            My entire family but me are lawyers, my sister has a few advocate friends, let me know if I can ask her for a more affordable reference for you.

  40. bluegoon

    March 13, 2014 at 18:00

    Sell the website. This guy is going to ruin you financially, dude.

    Reply

  41. Rags

    March 13, 2014 at 22:20

    I wish Telkom will sue Colin Webster for his sock puppet blog.

    Reply

  42. Neji

    March 13, 2014 at 23:16

    Payday is on the 31st…. I’ll be getting two on the 1st

    Reply

  43. Skuifspeld

    March 18, 2014 at 08:17

    Not sure where else to post this – but good luck today, Gavin.

    Reply

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