Monday morning rage time! Over the past few months I’ve dealt a lot with eSports clans and players and there’s just one single thing has stood out over all this time that I simply can’t handle anymore.
For some obscure reason our local eSports representatives all believe that we owe them undue amounts of respect. I’ve had numerous players demand that they be respected. Respect for what? That you play a game with a bunch of your friends? Or that you are good at this game or even that you play for your national team?
None of this means that anyone has to respect you. You are not a a selfless leader like Nelson Mandela, or a world peace activist like Ghandi. You haven’t saved children from land-mines or protected your country in the heat of battle. No, You play video games.
We love gaming, and competitive gaming and it’s something we here at Lazygamer actively push to become more mainstream but you as players, shoutcasters, organisers and managers are doing yourselves no favours with this asinine idea that you therefore demand respect above the sort you’d show to any other human being. Respect is earned – and trust me, not a single eSports player in this country has done anything close to earning universal respect. You’d need to climb off your little ivory towers and come back down to earth if you honestly expect to be taken seriously.
Now I don’t know if this is a worldwide trend as we don’t speak to any other clans, apart from the Mexicans who were a delight to deal with. We may be able to beat them at DOTA but they could teach us a thing or two on how to deal with people.
After putting this up for editing it was stated that I should add specific examples so as not to offend the entire eSports culture… And to that I will just say this: If I don’t respect your religion (I don’t), then what makes you think that being part of a certain segment of an industry is going to get me to worry about offending you. You are all old enough to read this on a computer and as such I will leave it for you to decide if you are being targeted by this rant or not.
When a sponsor, media or a fan approaches you remember they are the people who enable you to do what you do, so if anyone deserves respect at that point in time it’s the person you are speaking to. Now I’m not saying they can just abuse you and treat you like crap. There are social standards that need to be adhered to by both parties; if it isn’t going well then politely make your exit.
Rant off… let’s carry on with this Monday.
Side note: no I don’t think I deserve any more respect than any of you so go wild below telling me how you feel. As always I appreciate all feedback.
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Last Updated: October 28, 2013
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MAcethy
October 28, 2013 at 10:35
HAHAHAHA eSports players deserve respect? HAHAHAHA
Umar heartless
October 28, 2013 at 10:39
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SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad
October 28, 2013 at 10:41
There needs to be more Chris Tucker in the world.
Umar heartless
October 28, 2013 at 10:49
“What if Micheal was a pimp? Should be him and Tito riding around in a Cadillac and shit..” lol
I so agree with you!
Ultimo_Cleric N7
October 28, 2013 at 11:30
CCOOORRBAAAAN DDDAAAAALLAAAAASSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 11:30
You have just made my day.
Kyle Farmer
October 28, 2013 at 13:13
This is the best gif! 🙂
SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad
October 28, 2013 at 10:40
Did Vicky forget to put the morning coffee on? 😛
In all seriousness. That rant should be aimed at everyone and anyone in every industry. No one deserves respect. You earn it. Simple as.
I respect great people. I admire great people. You play DotA well? Good for you. I’m stoked you’re good at something you love. But your opinion isn’t worth more because of it. You aren’t somehow a better person because of it. You’re in the same cesspool of shit as the rest of us, brothers and sisters. And it’s best that you remember that.
Small people want to be great. Apparently the way to earn that is just stomp your feet and demand it. 😛 Alexander the Great stomped his feet and demanded that the Greek city-states honoured their treaties after Philip passed away (murdered). Oh. No. He didn’t. He did what no one expected. And he earned respect with his actions. Not with paltry words and salty tears. Arrr!
Gavin Mannion
October 28, 2013 at 10:59
Fully agree but I’m not in a position to rant on about bankers, salesmen or professional footballers..
SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad
October 28, 2013 at 11:06
Fair enough. And reasonable intelligible people will clearly understand the context from which this article stems. Yet there will be others.. who will take this out of context. But you’re not writing for them. So whatever.
Anyway. Good points, Gavin. I support these endeavours to educate and civilise.
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 11:07
“professional” footballers
Sageville
October 28, 2013 at 12:08
Maybe you should mention those who demand respect for being a Pro-gamer…..
You know, so we can pay our respects…..
CaptainNemo42
October 28, 2013 at 10:42
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ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 10:47
Really glad I’m not the only one who feels this way. Nothing irks me more than the self-important “man” who thinks because his pay grade would make most people cry deserves respect. Gamers are probably worse though. I have little experience in the professional side of gaming though, so I take your word for it.
This is a universal thing though, people don’t deserve respect, they earn it. Simple as.
SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad
October 28, 2013 at 10:47
Lol. That’s exactly what I think too. Touche on the “Simple as.” 😀
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 10:52
Haha, just read your comment. We are in the same frame of mind I see 😀
SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad
October 28, 2013 at 10:59
Pretty much exactly so. You just said it in a more concise way without obscure references to antiquity. 😉
InsanityFlea
October 28, 2013 at 10:47
Respect is earned, not demanded. People still forget this simple lesson of life.
B4d R0b0t
October 28, 2013 at 15:30
Actually respect is given and not earned, we still get to choose who we do and do not respect, that is human nature.
N@te
October 28, 2013 at 10:49
I feel the same about people who refused to be called Mr or Mrs wateva….no its Dr. or Prof. and I should show them respect because they studied for so long. No, i will respect your accomplishment of gaining a degree but why should I respect you as a person because of it. It really is true, respect has to be earned.
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 10:50
I absolutely agree…
JHN
October 28, 2013 at 10:50
I dont agree with you on this, DR or Prof is an earned title, they studied hard to earn it so its only fair that they be called it.
Umar heartless
October 28, 2013 at 10:51
Yup, have to agree here. They earned the title
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 10:51
The amount of “Doctors” I’ve met who don’t deserve an ounce of respect kind of trumps this. No title deserves respect. You earn it.
JHN
October 28, 2013 at 10:52
Im not saying repsect im saying if i studied for 7 years to be called doctor then you need to call me DR. it replaces the MR thats how the world works.
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 10:54
Ah, well that’s fair yeah. You’re correct.
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 10:55
They still can’t sprout wings and fly, just like the rest of us. So don’t act like you can.
JHN
October 28, 2013 at 10:56
No they cant but it replaces the Mr infront of your name it has nothing to do with respect when you graduate that is your new title.
Gavin Mannion
October 28, 2013 at 10:57
I think it very depends on the circumstance to be honest… if in casual environment like a shop helper offering help then to turn around and say “Dr ..” is just douche bag like.
However in formal surroundings then you should called them by their true title
Umar heartless
October 28, 2013 at 10:59
SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad
October 28, 2013 at 11:19
Upvote for AWESOME!
RangerMossel
October 28, 2013 at 11:03
Agreed. If you go to the hospital, you’re not going to call the guy mr. But if a person who just so happens to be a doctor speaks to you and corrects you, that’s a dick move.
TiMsTeR1033
October 28, 2013 at 11:04
Sure it has happened many a time…
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 10:57
Yes, I see your point. I agree. I’m just saying, if someone calls you Mr by accident, don’t be an arsehole about it, it doesn’t make you a better person for having a doctorate.
JHN
October 28, 2013 at 10:58
Ok yeah on that i agree
N@te
October 28, 2013 at 13:33
I dunno hey, what about people slaving away helping people such as social workers who could be doing an amazing job for years on end who you could argue could be working just as hard as somebody studying. Now just because they don’t have a degree to prove they worked hard they don’t get any formal recognition from the general public. So I guess my issue is why do the lucky few who can actually afford the student loans or have parents who can pay for their studies feel that they deserve to be called a by a different title all because they studied for a long time. Horse if you ask me…
RangerMossel
October 28, 2013 at 11:01
But they (some) can do quantum physics, like almost none of us.
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 11:07
I can! Mine just only makes sense to me.
Heheh
RangerMossel
October 28, 2013 at 11:08
hehehe! Fair enough, for all we know everyone else is wrong!
Alien Emperor Trevor
October 28, 2013 at 11:09
That’s so wrong I don’t even know where to start!
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 10:54
Yes, but don’t be a douche about it. I know a few people who have doctorates and there’s a difference between demanding people call you by it and being nice about it.
RangerMossel
October 28, 2013 at 11:00
Yeah I also agree. If I worked hard enough (7 years study minimum) to earn a doctorate, I would atleast liked to be called Dr.
N@te
October 28, 2013 at 13:35
On this basis I should respect President Zuma. President is an earned title yet I have no respect for the man. Whereas Archbishop Desmond Tutu gets all my respect.
JHN
October 28, 2013 at 13:47
Its not the same thing all we are saying is if im a Dr that replaces the Mr before my name. Not that you should respect me more because of it.
In the end respect is something that is earned i agree with he article but sometimes it can never be earned if you dislike someone enough they will never gain your respect, look at nelson Mandela some people have no respect for him even though he has done more than enough to warrant respect.
SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad
October 28, 2013 at 11:02
Once I have my PhD, the first person to call me Dr. is going to get a slap upside the head. Yeah – it takes a long time to earn the PhD. But you don’t do it for the title. What is up with that? You do it because you love what you’re studying and you were lucky enough to have the opportunity to get the degrees.
I don’t even like young kids calling me “uncle” or “oom”. I’m a normal person. Who hasn’t done anything REALLY significant. C’mon. Who are we kidding? I want to live in a world where we are all equal. Gotta act that way for it to become a lived reality.
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 11:04
One thing along these lines that really gets me peeved is the whole “boss” thing. I’m not your boss, and Apartheid ended nearly 20 years ago. Don’t call me that. I’m just a dude.
TiMsTeR1033
October 28, 2013 at 11:10
Likewise… told so many guys not boss.. just Tim. got “okay boss”
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 11:13
I blame the Dutch
SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad
October 28, 2013 at 11:21
I blame the Romans… and the Greeks… and the Persians.. and the Egyptians.. and the Akkadians.. and the.. I just blame everyone!
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 11:24
What about the Barbarians? German, specifically. They’re universally blamed, may as well.
SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad
October 28, 2013 at 11:26
Germanic (and various other Barbarian) tribes sacked Rome on numerous occasions. We like people who sacked Rome. Just like we adore anyone who gave the Germans a thrashing during WW2…
Oh. I see what you did there. Very clever. 🙂
NecroRince
October 28, 2013 at 11:16
Not okay Tanya? *runs
TiMsTeR1033
October 28, 2013 at 11:17
How was your get together man?
NecroRince
October 28, 2013 at 11:31
Was awesome! 🙂
TiMsTeR1033
October 28, 2013 at 11:31
who was all there?
NecroRince
October 28, 2013 at 11:33
OVG, Trev and John
TiMsTeR1033
October 28, 2013 at 11:36
Johnathan? or JJ john?
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 11:33
Not as awesome as tonight will be!
NecroRince
October 28, 2013 at 11:33
Ha! That’s if I make it through the day 0-O
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 11:35
Think of the food Master Rince! Think of the food!
Oh, and on the subject of respect, don’t you think it’s nice that I call you Master even when it’s not your profile name? Heh?
TiMsTeR1033
October 28, 2013 at 11:35
gat kruiper!
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 11:36
Oi! Don’t say that. Master Rince will notice!
Alien Emperor Trevor
October 28, 2013 at 11:36
It’s respect? I thought it was a subtle reminder of his peasant status. :/
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 11:36
He sure has come a long way from being a stable boy
TiMsTeR1033
October 28, 2013 at 11:37
Stable….
NecroRince
October 28, 2013 at 11:43
Meet me face to face in Los Santos and say that, oh, right 0_O
Alien Emperor Trevor
October 28, 2013 at 11:50
I’d like too, but it would take too long to type it. 😉
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 11:56
And it would just be unfair if they allowed pc and console gamers to play in the same games.
Alien Emperor Trevor
October 28, 2013 at 11:59
They could add some of that realistic fish AI to console gamers’ characters in order to make it more fair. With that & auto-aim they could be competent.
NecroRince
October 28, 2013 at 11:42
Sucking up will not be tolerated! But yes 😛
RangerMossel
October 28, 2013 at 11:05
Damn dude, a 13 year old kid called me “oom” in the gym the other day, Im 24. I was just like, please dont call me that. Then afterwards I thought, do I look THAT old?! Worst. Day. EVER!
TiMsTeR1033
October 28, 2013 at 11:08
respect thing…. anyone who is older is oom…
RangerMossel
October 28, 2013 at 11:11
Yeah I know, there’s this 10 year older rule. But, damn I thought I still looked like 20. lol
TiMsTeR1033
October 28, 2013 at 11:16
I’m gonna be 26 soon, boss thinks im like 30! talks about how young the accountant is… “like shes 25 or 26 and already wearing glasses” I wear glasses what am I a dinosaur!
RangerMossel
October 28, 2013 at 11:19
hahaha! Damn that’s harsh! I wear contact lenses, unless there’s a meeting, then I want to look clever!
TiMsTeR1033
October 28, 2013 at 11:23
I can’t look scary without glasses… Evil looking eyes..
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 11:28
Wise.
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 11:11
Someone called me Oom in Tygervalley the weekend and then she turned to look back, realizing I’m only maybe five years her senior and she said “wait, you’re not an oom”
SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad
October 28, 2013 at 11:13
Yoh. The dreaded “oom” stage in a South African mans life. 🙁
RangerMossel
October 28, 2013 at 11:14
It’s the beginning of the end I say! Might as well just end it now. It’s all downhill from here.
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 11:15
Im’ 27, going bald, have a beard, and still don’t get called oom. 😛
Alien Emperor Trevor
October 28, 2013 at 11:16
tannie?
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 11:17
Ja Ouma? Wat soek jy?
RangerMossel
October 28, 2013 at 11:18
I think that one time was an anomaly. From this day forth I will do all in my power do preserve my youth! Right after I down this beer.
TiMsTeR1033
October 28, 2013 at 11:18
young face…
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 11:21
If I shave, definitely. Haven’t been asked for ID since I was 17 though, so who knows? Whatever.
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 11:27
My girlfriend keeps getting asked her ID at places. She’s 28 and here I am being called Oom.
RangerMossel
October 28, 2013 at 11:13
Yeah my dad does that, he calls people that are like 1 year older than him oom. In his mind he’s probably still 30.
HvR
October 28, 2013 at 11:14
Blonde teller at Tygervalley ABSA called me oom when I was only 22.
After I handed her my ID for transaction verification.
Matthew Holliday
October 28, 2013 at 11:39
I get confused, also 24, been called “oom” and “uncle” a couple of times, but then Im still the only one that gets asked for ID…
FSR
October 28, 2013 at 12:04
From Wikipedia: “When a medical doctor passes the examinations which enable them to become a member of one or more of the Royal Surgical Colleges and become “MRCS”, it is customary for them to drop the “Doctor” prefix and take up “Miss”, “Mister”, or and so on.”
Fun fact: The specialist who operated on my knee was referred to as “Mr Dr Surname” by the nursing staff… that was the ultimate in douchery imo!
Alien Emperor Trevor
October 28, 2013 at 10:49
As we all know, if you have to ask for respect, then you certainly deserve it 😉
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 10:50
Asking won’t get respect. You must demand it in an insufferable, self-important way, and be sure to stomp extra hard when you get indignant about not getting any.
Alien Emperor Trevor
October 28, 2013 at 10:52
😀 DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!?!?!?!
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 10:53
DO YOU KNOW WHO IIII AM?!?!?!?!
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 10:56
You’re the guy with the…no wait….you’re…
We all know who the Emperor is. 🙂
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 10:56
I hate you so much right now. xD
TiMsTeR1033
October 28, 2013 at 11:03
Everyone knows me!!
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 11:07
We do, but we don’t say how
TiMsTeR1033
October 28, 2013 at 11:09
I’m infamous!
Bob the Zealot
October 28, 2013 at 11:01
This is not a game of who the f**k are you. For I am Vader. Darth Vader. Lord Vader. I can kill you with a single thought.
RangerMossel
October 28, 2013 at 11:10
with MIND BULLETS!
Admiral Chief Ninja
October 28, 2013 at 11:45
…that’s telekinesis Kyle
😛
RangerMossel
October 28, 2013 at 12:47
xD finally someone who understands the joke!
Admiral Chief Ninja
October 28, 2013 at 13:29
’tis me pleasure RangerMossel (I sincerely hope you are playing on Ranger difficulty)
RangerMossel
October 28, 2013 at 15:03
Hoe dan nou anders?! Ek kyk so na die difficulties en dink by myself: Eks nie lus vir sukkel nie, kom ons vat medium, toe lees ek van so baie mense wat se hoe ranger die game se atmosfeer beter maak! Sover is dit legit!
JloYo
October 28, 2013 at 11:10
Attention, Everybody! If anybody can please help, we have two Gentleman over here that doesn’t know Who They Are!
Alien Emperor Trevor
October 28, 2013 at 11:12
lol. What is going on & where are my pants?
RangerMossel
October 28, 2013 at 11:20
What is hand?
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 11:12
I though he’d know. I was wrong. 🙁
Umar heartless
October 28, 2013 at 10:55
Or you can be like Zuma and curse all those that do not restecp you
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 10:56
Nah, just throw them in jail for spilling a drink on you. That’s how its done in Africa.
Lourens Jordaan
October 28, 2013 at 11:02
Why add this:”If I don’t respect your religion (I don’t)”? What does this have to do with eSports?
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 11:07
He adds it for emphasis, arguably religion is a much bigger thing than being a pro gamer. If he doesn’t respect that about you, then why on earth would he respect your “pro gamer” status?
SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad
October 28, 2013 at 11:10
Also, He is trying to draw a link between an institution as a whole and its various smaller segments. So this way, he doesn’t have to identify which communities and/or individuals he is talking about – but rather is attacking the ethos or spirit itself. Since religion is one such broad institution with various smaller segments of slight differences, this analogy works well. If you’re demanding respect, rather than earning it, it doesn’t matter which smaller segment of eSports you hail from.
Add what Tosh says and that is what I think he meant. But hey.. interpretation.. 😉
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 11:14
Wow you read deep into that. I see the logic, and while I can’t and won’t refute it, I just don’t think its that complex.
But hey, interpretation. 🙂
SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad
October 28, 2013 at 11:18
Grad school. Where reading deeper into meaningless shit is the norm. I’m sorry. 😛 I blame the education system! 😀
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 11:20
Haha, I think the same way if in that frame of mind, however I feel that finding a balance is essential. It got to a point where I would read too deeply into everything, and begin analyzing and dissecting every little thing. So, balance. 🙂
Nothing wrong with an education. Its refreshing to find intelligence. 😛
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 14:49
And turns out you were correct as well. Thanks Gavin. 🙂
SargonTheGreatPandaOfAkkad
October 28, 2013 at 15:17
It turns out we both are. Together, we can overthrow Gavin and NO ONE in the UNIVERSE would be the wiser. Muahahahahaha *pauses mid evil laugh and strokes evil cat* ahahahahahaha!
Gavin Mannion
October 28, 2013 at 11:44
Answered perfectly by the people below.. the only other reason it was mentioned over and above the two below is because I know it makes people sit up and take notice. It’s the perfect reference for a persons belief that they should be respected for something they personally believe in or act upon
Lourens Jordaan
October 28, 2013 at 12:06
Thanks, I got the message below quite clearly. Only reason I mention it is because one of the reasons why I like this site is because it does not constantly degrade to a racial or religious debate. I just got tired of defending my right to religion without being ridiculed and thought the inclusion of religion above is entirely unnecessary. Taken in context it is understandable but I thought you made your point without it. Anyway, I’m done with this topic.
Eric
October 28, 2013 at 11:14
The whole miff attitude of people on the local scene is what pretty much made up my mind to go casual and stay away from the competitive scene. I had tons of fun PLAYING the games, but managing people’s egos became too much effort. Even when you’re nice to someone they see it as a reason to try and boost their own ego. It’s hard when you see kids trying to act like immature adults in a game and adults just acting like brats.
People should learn how to respect before they can even think of asking for it. People who think that being good means that you can’t give pointers to a newbie. Or people who freak in public games when someone wants to try something new should just get explosive diarrhea. The elitist attitude is what’s the problem, and people who think they’ve gained that status just because they’ve played for a long time or because some people have complimented them on having good games.
Unfortunately this isn’t a community where people understand what modesty is.
NecroRince
October 28, 2013 at 11:15
I respect your opinion? 🙂
Alien Emperor Trevor
October 28, 2013 at 11:18
How dare you sir! Not only am I the best at modesty, but humility too.
GriAulE
October 28, 2013 at 11:25
Oh yeah. Totally with you on this one. This includes all games and frankly any member of a supposedly reputable and competitive clan. I have had a few encounters of rage in Battlefield 3 for instance with clannies, and although I delight in tales about my mother, they normally pale in comparison when I bring up their own mother’s lascivious jaunts. Earn the respect by winning or losing graciously and well.
Sir Rants-a-Lot Llew
October 28, 2013 at 11:32
This rant… is LEGENDARY!
Never have I been even close to ranting like this.
But I do agree with you. Respect is earned, not simply given and to gain respect is very difficult when in the spotlight. People who generally are in the spotlight I think tend to forget that they are.
You want my respect? Come out and say you stuffed up when you did; come out and call a spade a spade instead of calling it a golden sickle. That kinda stuff.
Although Gav I really would have left religion out of it. I believe there are better examples to have used. But that’s not an argument for here or now
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 11:33
Thank you Sir (see what I did there?)
You have my full support in this rant.
Admiral Chief Ninja
October 28, 2013 at 11:37
Golden sickle, Asterix reference approved!
Ultimo_Cleric N7
October 28, 2013 at 11:40
Okay, so there is one thing that I do have to say here.
While people demanding respect is a joke, especially if you think player games competitively makes you a god among men, I do believe that EVERY PERSON HAS A RIGHT TO DEMAND BEING TREATED FAIRLY.
You don’t have to respect my position or religion, BUT THAT DOESNT GIVE ANYONE A RIGHT TO PISS ON IT EITHER. There is nothing that annoys me more then people who think that they can just rip into you and mock you becuase they feel entitled since “You dont have their respect”.
THAT ABSOLUTE BULL! You have to have at least some form of common decency. If you treat people like crap because you dont respect them, you will never get their respect. If you dont care about that, good for you. But dont expect people to just sit back and take it either……….
Ok, rant over.
Gavin Mannion
October 28, 2013 at 11:41
Agreed, just because I don’t respect your religion is now reason for me to publicly mock you abotu it.. however I reserve the right to mock the religion publicly if I feel it is infringing on my rights as a person
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 11:48
You’re a scientologist, aren’t you?
Trolololo
Alien Emperor Trevor
October 28, 2013 at 11:51
lulz
John's (JJ's) Steaming backlog
October 28, 2013 at 11:57
When spellchecker says it’s not a word you know something is up.
Ultimo_Cleric N7
October 28, 2013 at 11:49
Agreed, in part at least. While mocking a religion isnt a great thing to do even if they are being retarded, that is your right.
Weanerdog
October 28, 2013 at 12:00
I don’t think that their is ever a need for mocking, it doesn’t resolve your infringed rights, makes you look like a douche and in fact can actually gain sympathy for other party. Also it is seldom the religion that is infringing on your right but it is the forced implementation by some idiot that will do that.
Gavin Mannion
October 28, 2013 at 12:07
I don’t know really. If something isn’t open to being mocked and investigated in public then the right questions don’t get asked.. just look at all comedy shows really. Only free countries have real comedians.
Ultimo_Cleric N7
October 28, 2013 at 12:13
There is a big difference between something being openly investigated and something being mocked. Justice must prevail and bad things need to be brought to light. No doubt about that at all. (Now I sound like a superhero…) But there is a way to go about it.
Ultimo_Cleric N7
October 28, 2013 at 12:09
100% dude.
Lets put it this way. I have bee non this site for ages, love chatting to everyone here. While we obviously dont agree on everything, everyone acts in a civil way towards one another (unless you like the Xbox1 apparently ^^)
BUT, if people had to start ripping into Christianity all the and mocking something I really believe in just becuase they dont, I will stop coming to the site eventually. While it may be your right to mock a religion/position, not everyone feels the same way and people will get offended. ITS YOUR CHOICE WHETHER TO RESPECT THAT AND STOP, OR JUST KEEP GOING.
Like the old saying goes, respect is a 2 way street.
Rags
October 28, 2013 at 12:11
Mocking of religion is essential. Laughing at authority is what emancipates mankind.
Weanerdog
October 28, 2013 at 13:56
Emancipates from what or whom? We are talking about mankind, the group that is responsible for wanton destruction, genocide and atrocities against itself and the planet they live on and you want to leave them to their own devices.
Rags
October 28, 2013 at 14:59
Yep, most of which is done under authoritarian rule mandated by a god or some other supreme leader. Mocking of religion/ideology is valuable as it discredits this notion that is is unchallengeable. Queue Monty Python.
Alien Emperor Trevor
October 28, 2013 at 11:48
Exactly. Common decency & fairness, something that’s lessened by anonymity & distance, which makes it easier for some people to spout all kinds of nonsense.
Sageville
October 28, 2013 at 12:01
Respect is earned,
People forget that respect is a measure of a person as a whole, not based purely on a title or age.
For instance, a Doctor. He/she gets some initial respect from me as their title tells me they could study and pass tests. If I knew that doctor was also a rapist, then ALL respect for the doctor title is lost or overshadowed.
Same with Pro-gamers, their title as Member of Clan XYZ, gives them a small modicum of respect as I can see they have skillz at a game. However in general these guys, seem whining, demanding respect and rating themselves as something above us mere mortals, ego-ception, All that just nullifies whatever respect they garner for playing a game well. So much so they end up on the negative scale of respect, maxing the scale way into the douche-bag limits.
In the end, my respect for someone is my opinion of them, NOT their opinion of themselves.
Kyle Farmer
October 28, 2013 at 13:13
haha some of the comments on here are AWESOME! I just wanted to add that while I love gaming, gaming is NOT a sport. I don’t care how you spin it or put e’s in front of the word…
Weanerdog
October 28, 2013 at 14:24
While I tend to agree, here is a quote from a pro gamer as to their training regime “Wake up at 7, practice for 4 hours, go to gym and have lunch, practice for another 4 hours, eat supper, analyse games, go to sleep. It’s like this for 6/7 days of the week.” .
Kyle Farmer
October 28, 2013 at 14:36
I hear you, and I really don’t want to “argue” but…
I go to work everyday, where I “practice” my trade, go to gym, and read books to educate myself. There is no difference, no physical requirement to be better PHYSICALLY than anyone else.
So a pro-gamer can click faster than anyone else, so you can peek quicker than anyone else, I just don’t agree that gamers should be seen as athletes, or *shudder* E-Athletes…
My background is sport science and I can promise you professional athletes are some of the hardest working people in the world. Sitting and playing games is not athletic, it’s a hobby, one that I thoroughly enjoy 🙂
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 14:46
Professional gamers take this way beyond just a hobby. This is what they dedicate all their focus on, much like the Cricket and Rugby players do. They spend no less time or dedication on the sport than a physical (traditional) sports player.
Kyle Farmer
October 28, 2013 at 14:59
I don’t dispute that. I’m basically arguing semantics. Gaming is not a sport, regardless of the effort, time, sweat that you put into it. Calling it a sport doesn’t make it one either. I only want people to acknowledge that while gaming requires dedication etc too, you are copying real life. There are people out there that REALLY do these things, fight battles/wars, play tennis etc. I use games to escape the real world, and honestly, doing 100 pushups is way harder than a good evenings worth of gaming “sports”. Respect has to be earned, and being a pro gamer will never earn my respect unless what you do with it affects real life (assisting charities, and all that sort of thing). I feel like I’m going way off topic here. Anyway, my point is gaming doesn’t fit the dictionaries definition of sport. That’s good enough for me, and I’m sure it’s good enough for all of those born before BG (Before Google).
ToshZA
October 28, 2013 at 15:15
I was born well before Google man. Dial up was rare when I was growing up, didn’t get a cell phone until I was 17. I still believe that it is a sport. They compete, just the same as traditional sports. They practice the same. They get sponsors the same. The only difference is in WHAT they’re doing. But you don’t see a Rugby player telling a Snowboarder that because he isn’t doing the same thing that its not a sport. If they do, they’re arrogant. This comes across as arrogance to me.
Times change, the world evolves. MotoGP / F1 were not sports 100 years ago. These sports also require people to sit on their asses while concentrating. They’re mental sports more than physical. But they’re still sports. Its time to change with the world, stop being stuck in the 90’s. We’ve gone well beyond that now.
Gaming, professionally, should be treated as a sport, because it is one in every aspect but the traditional physical one. One aspect that is different does not mean it is no longer allowed to be treated and named the same thing. The world is not black & white. This is my argument. 🙂
Kyle Farmer
October 28, 2013 at 15:44
I’m with you on the google era and got a cellphone when I was 18/19 so we’re probably about the same age.
I don’t agree with your second paragraph though. The physical aspect to MotoGP and F1 is INCREDIBLE. Those guys are amongst the fittest athlete’s on the planet.
Why should only professional players be viewed as playing a sport? What about people that play board games? Warhammer and such? Will everything that is “played” in teams (Pictionary) that requires mental ability, but no physical ability, be considered a sport? Where do you draw the line? Come up with a new word, you can’t change the very definition of sport to include something that isn’t inherently sport.
Thanks for you argument, this is my retort 🙂
Rags
October 28, 2013 at 15:20
100 pushups is a LOT easier than an intense session of quake 1v1.
It takes a crazy amount of skill and concentration to go though a few practise games. And while it is not a physical sport it sure is just as tough to play at top competitive level in terms of what you have to put in. What you consider to be ‘escape from the real world’ is like kicking a rugby ball in the street or playing street cricket. And like casual gaming it is also not serious or real ‘sports’.
The only reason why I don’t want gaming to be considered a sport is because then we gotta deal with the political bullshit 😛
So yeah a few gamers have earned my respect locally because of their dedication, skill and who they are as a person.
Kyle Farmer
October 28, 2013 at 15:28
I hear you… especially re the “political bullshit”.
It’s more mentally tough than physical though, surely there is a better descriptor for gamers, than to collectively call gaming a sport and therefore gamers become athletes?
Also don’t forget that actual sports are quite complex and also require a lot of mental preparation and strength. My pushup example might just have been terrible 🙂 Running a marathon vs Quake… different story.
I do enjoy watching the pro’s play though, more so than actual sports. In fact I never spectate actual sports and if I do it’s against my will. Watching games being played well is much more fun 🙂
Brady miaau
October 28, 2013 at 14:27
I play chess. Chess is a sport.
I fail to see how competitive online gaming, games like Starcraft Broodwars, cannot be seen as a sport.
Kyle Farmer
October 28, 2013 at 14:37
I like your edit 🙂
noun (sport)
1.
an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
I can only stress the word, PHYSICAL.
loftie
October 28, 2013 at 14:58
The dictionary meaning will probably be amended in the future to: “an activity involving an individual
or team which competes against another or others for entertainment.”
I get where you are coming from though, but what else would you call it? Non-physical sport? 🙂
Kyle Farmer
October 28, 2013 at 15:37
*sigh* Everything wrong with the world. We’ll just change it. Why don’t they “invent” a word to group gamers as “athletes”? It’s weird how they could amend the definition of sport. What about board gamers, like warhammer? Sport/hobby/or simply game?
Brady miaau
October 28, 2013 at 15:43
I know some guys (not young men) who play Warhammer. Call it a hobby and they are likely to go a bit mental.
Languages changes and evolves over the years, words change their meaning. Awful was used to to show a level of awe, i.e. full of awe. Look at it now, it is a negative sounding word
Kyle Farmer
October 28, 2013 at 16:04
Great example Brady, but I’m sorry, I just don’t agree.
Like I said earlier, if we continue using the word “sport” in its current form then we can’t also use it to describe something that isn’t a sport.
I’m leaving it there, agree to disagree and move on 🙂
Who else is waiting on tender hooks for BF4?
Brady miaau
October 28, 2013 at 19:57
Ok, will do. was interesting.
And, no, not waiting for BF4. Some fort of PFS right?
loftie
October 28, 2013 at 15:51
Huh? No man, things change. Maybe embrace change? I don’t see the problem you are seeing..
Kyle Farmer
October 28, 2013 at 15:58
hmmm poor choice of words there I guess. I do embrace change, and I don’t see a problem. Like I said, I’m arguing semantics. esport isn’t sport, simple as. On this forum I’ll find it difficult to find people who would support my point of view, simply due to the fact that this is a gaming site and that’s cool. Opinions and people eh? 🙂 I guess we’ll all just have to agree to disagree.
loftie
October 28, 2013 at 16:00
Touche. I agree esport is not sport in the dictionary meaning. 🙂
Brady miaau
October 28, 2013 at 15:04
Chess is recognized by the IOC and has international rules and regulations. I play in tournaments from time to time, same rules as people in, say, Norway.
I get the dictionary definition, but I reject your dictionary and use my own! 🙂
Brady miaau
October 28, 2013 at 14:30
would it infringe copyright if I took this and handed it out to people: random strangers, co-worker, AND OLDER AFRIKAANS GENTLEMEN THAT THINK I SHOULD BOW TO THEIR WISDOM JUST BECAUSE?
Yes, neighbour, I mean you!
Respect is a precious commodity that can be spent far easier than earned.
PsiCoRe
October 28, 2013 at 15:00
I must admit that a lot of the top gamers in this country can be quite rude and arrogant. To say all would be incorrect. There are some top SA players that are a pleasure to speak to and game with. If they want to earn some respect they need to be fostering the South African esports community, not acting cowardly by holding tightly to their tin foil crowns and keeping potential professional gamers out of their little circles.
B4d R0b0t
October 28, 2013 at 15:26
Oh yea, I have heard this one from the start of my online career right up to the most recent DGC. It’s seems the local players think it is a universal birth right much like the right to be offended. Neither of which actually exist, it is and always will be the battle cry of the narcissist and or the people who have issues with self respect and in turn look to creating a elevated profile in eSports to deal with it.
Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)
October 28, 2013 at 16:16
DAMN GAVIN! How’d I miss this rant? I love it! I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT! I want you to bring the fire in every single editorial.
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Brian Murphy
October 28, 2013 at 19:39
Not sure I entirely agree with this. I mean, if someone displays an aptitude for something that’s well above normal, I certainly give them respect for their ability. That doesn’t mean they automatically get respect as a personal. But, respecting their abilities in game competitions is really no different (in my opinion) than respecting an athlete in Soccer, Football, Tennis, Golf, Baseball, Hockey etc…
Then again, as is quite often the case, in most athletic sports, you also have fine examples of people who are brilliant in their field, but are horrible examples of human beings. The old saying Respect is earned, follows suit here. But, you have to understand the differences between respecting ability, and respecting a persons character.
J_Joestar
October 28, 2013 at 20:54
well there is always Korea.
Stephen Snook
October 29, 2013 at 14:21
I think being humble is important.