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Turns out Troy Baker wasn’t in Borderlands 3 because Gearbox “wouldn’t go union”

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Despite Gearbox CEO Randy Pitchford claiming that Baker “turned down” the role, new information has come out that Gearbox refused to work with his union.

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I cannot lie to you, when I read the news that Troy Baker would not be reprising his role as Rhys Strongfork in Borderlands 3, a small part of my heart wept. One of the best characters from (arguably) Telltale’s best game Tales From The Borderlands would be included in the cast of quirky quest-givers dotted around Borderlands 3 but his voice, his essence…well, it wouldn’t be the same.

Randy Pitchford, the now notorious CEO of Gearbox Software, who developed the third game in the mainline Borderlands franchise, stated back in April that he was told Baker “turned (the role) down”. I think most people just accepted this as fact because of how prolific Baker is within the game’s industry; The Last of Us Part 2 is no doubt chewing up a lot of his time.

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However, not all was as it seems. In a recent interview with VG247, Baker confirmed that he did turn down the role but that the details surrounding that were a little more nuanced than we thought. Baker was essentially forced to turn down the role as Gearbox refused to meet the requirements of the SAG-AFTRA (Screen Actors Guild‐American Federation of Television and Radio Artists). Unless the union’s requirements are met, Baker is legally barred from accepting the work as union members can only accept union work.

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Baker was quoted as saying:

“No, it was simply a matter of they wouldn’t go union,” he replied. “And I can’t do a non-union gig. And without getting too deep into the weeds of that, we had long conversations about this. We always knew going into it, that this was going to be the thing. They were going to take these characters, and put them from the Tales from the Borderlands series from Telltale, into Borderlands proper. I’ve been waiting for this call. They were like, ‘Do you want to do this?’ And I said, ‘Yes’. They never, because they would never move from that position. I’m not mad. It’s invariably a completely different character, but it still stings.”

Baker also has some advice for Pitchford regarding the spreading of unconfirmed rumours, stating “[Gearbox Software] said I’m not coming back. Their timeline tells an interesting story. I think it’s interesting that Randy Pitchford tweeted out that I turned it down, and then he said he heard that I turned it down. I would fact check before I tweeted out to the internet.”

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Following on from this news, Polygon reached out to Gearbox to comment on Baker’s statements. Gearbox responded with the following:

“Troy is an exceptional talent and we were disappointed that he declined to partner on Borderlands 3 after being offered the part. We wish him the best and hope he knows the offer to collaborate with him still stands. Gearbox is a Texas company and is bound by Texas law — which means that a person cannot be denied employment because of membership or non-membership in a labor union or other labor organization. As a talent-owned and talent-led organization, Gearbox enthusiastically works to ensure our pay and working conditions meet or exceed union standards. We also believe strongly in hiring local voice actors whenever we can which is why we’re thrilled Troy’s career really took off after working with us.”

Which, as an official statement regarding Gearbox’s work with union-affiliated employees, really means a big ol’ nothing. It’s just another notch in Gearbox’s controversy belt as the company is going through a harsh lawsuit which claimed that Pitchford has been stealing money from the corporate cookie jar.

Last Updated: October 1, 2019

10 Comments

  1. Hammersteyn

    October 1, 2019 at 12:58

    Not saying Randy deserves to get his head blown off, there are way worse people out there, just thought it would make a kinda funny if dark meme.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/72700470407e23ea83e53741befa2e9b4f132c7f45b47ab0f3856b70859a130f.jpg

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  2. Yahtzee

    October 1, 2019 at 12:48

    Never stop being you Randy

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  3. Conan the Barbarian

    October 1, 2019 at 12:58

    Good on Gearbox.

    What’s not mentioned in the CH article is about SAG-AFTRA:
    If you belong to the Union, you are not allowed to work on a Job that doesn’t have an agreement with that union. A nice way of the union using their high profile members in extorting companies to have an agreement with the unions.

    BUT, the reverse is also true. Once a company has an agreement with a union for a job, they may ONLY hire people from the union:
    “In some situations, though, you may have to join the union. If you work a union job and become SAG-AFTRA eligible, 30 days later you automatically become SAG-AFTRA Must-Pay. That means that before you work a second union job, you’ll have to join. Producers are required to verify your status by checking with the union”

    So, it seems like they had a choice. Work with Troy, or work with everyone else?

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    • Gustav Willem Diedericks

      October 1, 2019 at 15:54

      Sheesh. Had I not read your comment I would have thought that Gearbox were total dicks, but that kind of lock-in is not cool.
      Personally, I believe the gaming industry seriously need unions for devs and other workers considering the industry’s exploitation of their employees, but there has to be a balance between protecting your workers and monopolizing the job market.

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    • RepentantSky

      October 5, 2019 at 09:45

      Refusing a Union considering the shit that voice actors have to go through just kind of makes you a shitbag though, and it proves Randy wants to overwork his voice talent. Regardless of the reason why, the union is there to protect people from the shit that they were hit with that caused it to form in the first place. Refusing to work to a union’s standards is a sign that you are a bad person, not that you didn’t do anything wrong.

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      • Conan the Barbarian

        October 10, 2019 at 13:16

        The gearbox statement states that they meet or exceed all of the unions standards. Unless voice actors working on BL3 speaks out, we have now way of knowing whether this is really true or not, but it hasn’t been disputed.

        Unions can be a good thing, but if a union demands that you don’t hire people that are not in the union, and prevents their members from working with companies that don’t sign contracts with them, then they are obviously not the good guys.

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      • Conan the Barbarian

        October 10, 2019 at 13:16

        The gearbox statement states that they meet or exceed all of the unions standards. Unless voice actors working on BL3 speaks out, we have now way of knowing whether this is really true or not, but it hasn’t been disputed.

        Unions can be a good thing, but if a union demands that you don’t hire people that are not in the union, and prevents their members from working with companies that don’t sign contracts with them, then they are obviously not the good guys.

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        • RepentantSky

          October 15, 2019 at 20:49

          Like I’m gonna trust a Gearbox Statement without proof, because that could easily be Randy Pitchford lying through his thieving ass.

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