Evil Within is only 30fps on PC and no one should care

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Shock horror! The truth has been revealed and the upcoming Evil Within will only be able to hit 30 frames per second on the PC version which has ignited Internet gangs everywhere to spew hate at Bethesda.

But does it really matter?

The Evil Within is a tense survival horror game which places more emphasis on puzzles, tactics and thinking than it does on twitchy shooting and 30fps really is perfectly acceptable in virtually all game types of its ilk.  Maybe it’s because I’m coming from more of a console background and we are more used to 30 fps in games but the current uproar building on Neogaf and around social media says otherwise.

Personally I’m not into horror games because I’m a small minded child when it comes to scary things –  but this latest trailer from Bethesda really appeals to me. The puzzles and construction part of the game is definitely my thing.

Now this hasn’t yet been officially confirmed by Bethesda but the user who posted it is known for mainly getting these things right and he had the following to say, in his usual broken English:

PC TEW caped 30 fps, not dev internaly by TNGO.
xtnrnl wosrkshop.

It’s a strange world we live in when the master race’s version of the game is being outsourced to external developers while the console versions are being done in house. Publishers have been preferring console over PC for quite a while now and it seems the developers are now being forced the same way.

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So PC gamers, are you going to avoid this on principle even though it looks awesome?

Last Updated: October 8, 2014

Gavin Mannion

I for one welcome our future robotic overlords

  • Spaffy

    What’s with all the f-ing console ports?
    Can I please have a game optimized for my pc. 100+fps if I can/want at whatever resolution I like to play at.
    ffs

    • Skyblue

      Play Quakelive ;-p

    • Martin du preez (D4RKL1NGza)

      Devs don’t give shit about pc gamers or their “monster rigs”

    • Ryanza

      The Witcher 3 is coming.

      • geel slang

        I like to play more than one game a year.

    • Xcalibersa

      Tell your friends to stop stealing games.

      • HAHAHA

        • SlutMagnet

          HAHAHA SO FUNNY OMGZLELZKEKTOP XD

          Idiot.

          • What a lovely chap you are.

          • Spaffy

            When the lights go off, the trolls come out to play.

          • Indeed! Love how little they have to contribute too ????

          • SlutMagnet

            Incredibly ironic.

      • geel slang

        Doesnt revenue from PC gaming surpass that of consoles?

        • Xcalibersa

          There’s tons of articles but if this was true we would see it. Companies in the end make more money from consoles.

          • Roler42

            If that’s the case, then were are the articles stating Consoles are making companies more money than the PC?

          • UncleA

            Correction, son: Console gamers are overall more gullible and more easy to handle, and it helps a lot that they lap up DLC (something that could only be “established” because of you mouthbreathers) than PC gamers “were” (what a pc gamer was in 99 is not the same a pc gamer is nowadays mind you).
            All in all the overall mainstreaming and bastardizing of my favorite past-time can be tracked down very easily to the the begin of the last gens console-cycle.
            I hope you are very proud of that, kid. It certainly sounds like it.

          • Xcalibersa

            I am, thank you. Now !#[email protected] off and leave old posts behind.

        • Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

          That’s what some would like you to believe, yet the focus remains on console games which must mean that the profits are higher on the console side.

          • geel slang

            I was trying to make the point that not all PC games are pirated. Consoles are certainly the primary target for most big game developers.

          • John Don Mclon Shlon Won Cron

            You’re forgetting that Sony/Microsoft pay boatloads out some developers.

        • Interesting question. I don’t think so on a game by game basis. Not wirth stream sales and all.

          • Nathen Hoard

            Console games outsell PC games by a massive, unbeatable margin. It’s unfortunate because consoles suck, but that’s where the money is.

        • CypherGate

          Maybe in PC components, but I find it a bit difficult to believe in PC games. Then again… You get games that are a few years old for super cheap. So maybe they buying those mostly?

      • John Don Mclon Shlon Won Cron

        Fucking ignorant idiot.

        • Xcalibersa

          er,…… wait, hold on. Your mother so fat…..>

        • Erm?

      • Jack Vazquez
        • Xcalibersa

          ……….. there are a ton of articles but the most important one is that GTA made them a shit ton of money on consoles than PC. END. FINAL. FULL STOP>

          • Jack Vazquez

            PC version of the game is not released yet, therefore, your comment is invalid. And yet, PC gaming is getting more revenue than consoles and not a report of consoles doing it better.

          • Nathen Hoard

            I am a hardcore PC gamer but I am smart enough to know that consoles is where the money is. PC games don’t come close to making as much money.

          • Jack Vazquez

            Come again…
            1.- http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/04/28/as-global-pc-game-revenue-surpasses-consoles-how-long-should-console-makers-keep-fighting/

            2.- surpasses-consoles-how-long-should-console-makers-keep-fighting/
            http://i.imgur.com/ROM1wSM.jpg

            Anyone can say it’s a ”Hardcore PC gamer”….

          • UncleA

            You mean you are stupid enough and uninformed enough to say that, son…
            The magic word is “exclusive” these days, and what it means is publishers/Sony/Microsoft pay a very generous sum of money to specific studios so that their game only comes out for specific platforms. Which for some very shitty games is the only way to break even in the first place. It’s quick and safe money, which you wouldnt need if your game is actually quality to begin with. I mean do you really thing Bungie made MORE money by NOT releasing Destiny on PC? Like do you think they make more money by not making their product available to millions of people? The architecture is the same. No in the end they lose a lot of money but their publisher contract forces them to lose money.
            And then you come in and tell me “see consoles is where the money is”. No son, you are just braindamaged.

          • db87

            Let’s take Remedy with Alan Wake for example:
            http://pc.mmgn.com/Articles/PC-Gamers-Saved-The-Alan-Wake-Franchise

            Same happened recently with Crytek, Ryse: Son of Rome. Sales on the Xbox One were way too low to recoup the development costs. Since Crytek was in a financial struggle and big reorganisation the could ignore the “Xbox One exclusive contract” they had with Microsoft. Crytek released Ryse: Son of Rome for the PC to get more money.

            Also most Indie developers are choosing for Steam (PC) as primary releasing platform.

            Maybe percentage wise there is more pirating on the PC but that’s still a relatively small group. Also don’t forget that all Microsoft and Sony games have ~8 dollars on royalties. That’s also the reason why PC games are cheaper.

          • Dr.Peprico

            You’re just mad because you know you’re wrong
            ( ?° ?? ?°)

      • Diego Bórquez

        Pirating is everywhere. Even on consoles. So don’t come defending yourself by pointing that PC users are the cause of pirating.

    • adnan_ahmed

      A lot of recent games are optimized well on the PC: Shadow of Mordor, Alien Isolation

      • Spaffy

        2 games are not a lot…
        Watchdogs, Dead Rising 3 etc.
        I am having tons of fun with Mordor though. I have Alien, but have yet to play it.

    • Jack Vazquez

      The advantages of PC gaming is that there are maneuvers to unlock and squeeze the game.
      Probably someone will unlock the game to 60, such as Dead Rising 3, NFS Rivals and other games that were capped to 30FPS. Meanwhile, on consoles can’t say the same thing about it
      If look at the current game, it does not look as a proper optimized game for consoles. The footage clearly shows some frame drops on PS3/Xbox in close environments and rooms, and I doubt it will look significantly better on PS4, which is also locked to 30. The game was developed with the hardware of past generation, not in mind for the current one, I don’t see the PC version getting the worst version of it, it is almost equally for every platform.

    • roger

      What’s with all the f-ing console ports? do the math.. ps4 and xbox games make more money than pc games do… thats why we have all the fking ports… plus pc games can be stolen with torrents . ps4 and box1 can not at this time

    • TomTom

      Nope, only people actually pay for games gets to demand unrealistic specs, and $5 steam sales doesn’t count 😛

  • Yes, thats disgusting what they doing

  • Gustav Minnie

    Does it matter if you soil yourself in 30 fps or 60 fps? Still getting it.

    • John Don Mclon Shlon Won Cron

      Can’t exactly soil myself watching a slide show.

  • Martin du preez (D4RKL1NGza)

    Dat cinematic feel

    • Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

      Bethesda just being Bethesda – rogering the consumer with a toothy grin

  • Ross Woofels Mason

    What does it matter?

    It’s a survival horror game, absolutely nowhere will this game require you to have double the amount of time to put in inputs or where a-little motion blur will kill anything.

    60fps is good for fighters, racers, competitive FPS games. For action adventure titles or survival horror 30fps lends to a more realistic cinematic feel.

    I think the bulk of people just rage about 60fps because that’s the in thing and they do not really have a clue what purpose 60fps serves.

    ——————————-

    On that note for anyone who wants it higher why do people think this will be any different from other pc games that have be “capped at 30fps” and that cap can be broken by simply messing with some files?

    Once again it’s the dregs of gaming society throwing a hissy fit over nothing.

    • Spaffy

      For this game 30fps is probably fine.
      But why have limits in the first place? Because the console cannot handle more?

      • Ross Woofels Mason

        Or maybe just because it’s a direct port, and the guys did not have the budget or time to start optimizing?

        I prefer playing PC over console but a large portion of the pc gaming community imo needs to get their heads out their asses. PC went through a mother of a rough patch where it was devoid of many games because people were developing exclusively for console.

        Now we are finally starting to get games across all the platforms and PC gamers are just raging because it’s not optimized for pc! Well what do people expect when the market is primarily console based, business caters to the majority not the minority.

        ———————

        More important than if this game hits 60fps, the question should be will it maintain and solid and stable 30fps. A stable FPS is far more important imo than having a fast one.

        End of the day people are still acting like brat’s over something that is hardly game breaking.

        • Spaffy

          I play on console and pc.
          Pc is my first preference though, because I know it has better hardware and theoretically it should be better. I got Watchdogs on pc for this exact reason. How disappointing.
          I really believe the pc should not be restricted. Like I said elsewhere, If my pc can only handle 30fps so be it.
          But if my pc can do 50, 60+ why MUST I run at 30fps?

    • Rags

      60FPS is NOT good for fighters, racers, or competitive fps. 120+ FPS is good for those games. Anything else should at least have 60FPS. 30FPS is a joke.

  • Cadis Etrama Di Umar

    So after all the effort, blood sweat and tears the developers put into the game. All the money and hours. All the hardship. All the good intentions to bring back Survival Horror. People are gonna boycott this game because it’s 30fps? Piss off….Seriously….

    • Agreed brother. I’ll be getting this game, along with a bag of nappies…

    • Rags

      Yes. Don’t support bad design or we will just end up getting more of this bs.

    • Rags

      Yes. Don’t support bad design or we will just end up getting more of this bs.

    • SlutMagnet

      Blood? LOL.

      • Cadis Etrama Di Umar

        Yeah, aiming for realism

    • John Don Mclon Shlon Won Cron

      If you can’t do something right, do not do it at all.

      I’m sorry, but while I love survival horror, 30 FPS makes me physically throw up now that I’m used to my 144hz screen. It physically makes me upchuck my lunch.

      So I couldn’t play it, even if I wanted to.

      Also, obviously there wasn’t much effort if they couldn’t do a fucking reasonable PC port.

      What I’m reading is that all they care about is their console consumer base.

      You peasants can keep your crap. Meanwhile we’ll keep the games that *actually* have work put into them.

      • Cadis Etrama Di Umar

        Really? Because its 30 fps they not doing it right?Yeah bud……Thats a problem in itself. And if you love the genre, support the game. He’s trying to revive it, you wana waste that effort because its 30 fps?……Please.

  • Alien Emperor Trevor

    I find the whole 30/60fps bitch fight idiotic, but if that badly mangled English is trying to say the game is capped at 30fps then that’s bullshit for PC – seriously. If it can handle more it should be allowed to. You’re not going to hurt someones feelings if someone who has a better PC than them has a higher frame rate – THAT’S WHAT WE EXPECT TO HAPPEN. No choice is for consoles, not PC – how about you let us decide if we want to play the game capped at 30fps for whatever BS reason you have, 60fps for more high-end rigs, or shock-horror fluctuating between them NOOOOOOOO!

    • Cadis Etrama Di Umar

      PC Specs are far beyond most games these days. PCs are powerful beasts but no matter how powerful a PC is, you can’t push a game beyond its own limitations……Whose to say the game was even designed with 60 fps in mind?

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        What does that even mean?

        • Cadis Etrama Di Umar

          What I’m trying to say is, what game really pushes a high-end rig to its limits?So what exactly are people expecting from TEW??Maybe they never wanted the game to run at 60fps because they want to keep that cinematic feel. You’re insinuating its a parity issue and they don’t want to make console gamers to feel inferior

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            No I didn’t insinuate that & I’m not denigrating consoles. What I said was choice is being taken away from a platform that’s capable of it. If I want to turn my character why shouldn’t it happen as smoothly as my PC is capable of doing it? It’s a technical limitation, not an aesthetic design choice. Some games have an option to cap your game at 30fps, you have a choice whether you want to or not. It’s like that horrible film grain effect in ME – I had the option for it, I tried it, I turned it off because I thought it looked crap.

          • Mossel

            You could turn the film grain off?!! HOW DID I MISS THAT?! Played through the whole game thinking jis this looks kak!

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Seriously? BWHAHAHAHA!

          • Mossel

            Ah man, I feel so stupid now. I ALWAYS fiddle with the graphics settings, but for some reason I missed that. Oh well.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            It was just a check box 😉 I remember when I started the game up the first time I was all… Why does it look so grainy? O_o Thought maybe I’d accidentally set my resolution too low.

          • Mossel

            What about ME2? I never realized it was grainy. At least compared to nr1 I didn’t see anything.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            It had the option as well, maybe it was turned off by default.

          • Spaffy

            HAHAHAHA
            😀

          • I would assume it costs more to code a game to run at 60fps as it requires more art work? Not sure but if that is the case then I can understand why, if they didn’t want to do the extra work, it doesn’t run at 60fps.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            They’re using the id Tech 5 engine. I’m sure it can handle more than 30fps by default. And definitely not more art work – the textures don’t change. The fps changes how you perceive the game, not the game itself.

          • Mmm, I don’t know much more about the tech, but would assume there is more to it than just hitting ‘save as PDF’ 😛

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            says the guy whose PC can’t even play an HD TV series episode at 30fps 😀

          • Rags

            id Tech 5 ironically was built on Carmack’s philosophy of minimum 60FPS at ALL times. To reduce image artifacts and input lag and deliver the best experience possible.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Except now 30fps suddenly makes it look like a film apparently. Why not go all the way & make it silent & monochrome too.

          • Agreed. If they never intended the game to run at 60FPS then why should it just cus it’s on another console/platform?

          • John Don Mclon Shlon Won Cron

            “Cinematic feel”

            Get. Out.

            There is nothing “cinematic” about 30 FPS, nor does it “feel” more cinematic. It feels “stuttery”, it feels jarring. It feels like garbage.

            https://frames-per-second.appspot.com/

          • Cadis Etrama Di Umar

            All I am saying is, we don’t know what they planned. That is all. The cries of parity is annoying.

      • John Don Mclon Shlon Won Cron

        > Whose to say the game was even designed with 60 fps in mind?

        The hell are you talking about?

        There is no design around frame rates.

        60 FPS is better, objectively, in every single way. Period. You are a fucking moron if you think otherwise. you are OBJECTIVELY moron if you think otherwise. It’s like saying 144p is better than 4k sometimes.

        Go fuck yourself, you ruin the industry that I love with your nonsense.

    • Skyblue

      Day one patch… by modders

    • Nikola

      Maybe the game is designed to be played at 30fps not 60fps which makes sense for a game of this genre, maybe it does not run well when or feel good at 60fps I don’t know with all that being said I guess they could have given you a choice at what you want to run at on would not have hurt anyone.

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        THAT is what pisses me off – the choice being taken away.

        • Nikola

          Yeah with you on that one let me decide if I want to play it on 30fps or 60fps it will really not hurt anyone will it??

      • John Don Mclon Shlon Won Cron

        There is no such thing as a game being designed to be played at a certain frame rate.

        Higher frame rate is OBJECTIVELY, and ALWAYS better. There is absolutely nothing lower frame rate does to warrant choosing it.

  • Hammersteyn

    Mod patch

  • Skyblue

    Sebastian looks like Nathan Drake’s boet.

  • Kensei Seraph – Staff

    There will be a mod to fix this so I’m not bothered.

  • Ottokie

    Got my first 144hz gaming screen this week, and after feeling what double or even quadruple (in consoles aspects) the FPS makes to games is mind boggling.

    • Alien Emperor Trevor

      I’m glad I’m not your wallet lol

      • Ottokie

        Yea it was either that or the PS4…Screen won 😛 now to go sell the rest of my soul to the bank

    • Mossel

      You will never be able to play on 60fps again! It really is that smooth.

      • Ottokie

        I was also skeptical about anything above 60 FPS but now im a true blue believer…and loving it!

  • UltimateNinjaPandaDudeGuy

    It matters for someone who spent 8k on a screen that runs over 60Hz and has SLI running.

  • Hammersteyn

    One thing I’ve learned is that people will rage on the internet over anything and everything. PC gamers who love horror games will buy this…. eventually….. on sale probably. Those who don’t like horror games wont. Those that rage over 30fps should stick to angry birds or facebook games because if they haven’t realized by now that a mod will fix it eventually they never will.

    • Spaffy

      Yet again, the question is why?
      Why limit it?
      Because it’s a console port, poorly optimized for pc.

      • Hammersteyn

        Maybe the studio who Bethesda outsourced it to doesn’t have the required skills to make it run smoothly at 60fps. There are so many different PC rigs out there that it can be hard to compensate for everyone whereas consoles are consoles.

        • Alien Emperor Trevor

          But every PC doesn’t have to run at 60fps. We know that every one can’t & we don’t expect it too. That’s why we get min specs, recommended specs, etc – so we know what we can expect based on our hardware. Consoles don’t have to worry about it – just stick in the disc & play.

          • Hammersteyn

            You know what, I got it. It’s another crappy console port.

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            No. That’s not what I’m saying at all.

          • Hammersteyn

            That’s what I’m saying

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            Dark Souls is a crap console port ;P I like the game, but damn it’s bad. Press red button to perform action…. BUT MY KB DOESN’T HAVE A RED BUTTON 🙁

            This looks cool, I’m just annoyed that choice is taken away. It’s simple enough to have a check box “cap fps at 30”. Done. That’s not console port problem, that’s a dev problem.

        • Spaffy

          So true. My question though is why lock it at all? If my pc can only handle 30fps so be it.
          But if my pc can do 50, 60+ why MUST I run at 30fps?

          • Hammersteyn

            You don’t have to, no one does. There will be a mod to fix this. There always is and this is one of the pros of gaming on PC

        • John Don Mclon Shlon Won Cron

          Optimizing for PC rigs is ridiculously easy.

          DirectX, AMD and Nvidia fronting up the other side (Mantle), and standardized industry policies, combined with weird console architecture, make it just as easy to develop for PC as it is to develop for consoles.

      • Ryanza

        A company was paid to make the game run on a PC. Take the console as it is and make it work on PC. That’s about it. They didn’t pay for 60fps.

  • Ryanza

    Outsourced the PC version. Outsourced the fucking PC version. WOW. But it sounds about right.

    There used to be a time when developers could make money off PC gaming. Funny enough that before Steam developers could make money off PC gaming and after Steam, nope not anymore. And then people praise DRM.

    Consoles is where the gamers are and where the money is at. Why is The Witcher 3 being released on PC and consoles at the same time because consoles is where CD Projekt is going to make the most money and the faster than PC.

    So PC’s don’t deserve support from developers and that’s been true for many years now. Once you take DRM away and get more people buying PC games, only then can you expect love from developers. But I don’t expect that to happen anytime soon.

  • Lulz…

  • Rags

    30FPS. Don’t care what game it is. Won’t buy. This is not fucking DOS era.

  • Hesperus Phosphorus

    Wow, PC games are a bunch of whiny fags. The developers set the game to 30 fps!!! HOW dare they not gief us choice to fap to 60 fps?!
    Grow up. It’s not the devs’ responsibility to give you a plethora of choices. Mods.

  • Mabenito

    Whilst we at it, Ubisoft decided to cap everything on console to the lowest denominator. “Parity”. Their reason, to avoid resolution and framerate debates..

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=907457

  • And in one article Gavin wins most comments 😛

  • Sir Rants A Lot Llew

    it’s odd. 30FPS on console is fine. 30 FPS on a PC however gives me sever nausia and irritates my eyes

  • Brady miaau

    relax, there will always be a fan made patch to 60 fps, cause master race can do such things, right?

  • Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

    Typical Bethesda – and people wonder why they’re on my blacklist. Just don’t give them your money. If you buy form Bethesda this sort of practice will just continue. Vote with your Wallets, kids.

  • Jackie

    Do gamers ever Check the back of game case and ask, Hmmm now does this game run at 30 or 60 fps? Or Am i missing something?

  • Antonne Walker

    consoles are the big money now, they have this stigma about pc gamers ( the pirates). we need to go back into the 90s with pc, with our own exclusive games that consoles can’t handle.

  • Brian Murphy

    I just refer to my comment in the Assassin’s Creed Unity PS4 thread. I don’t think anything more needs to be stated.

  • ll

    You are a fucking idiot and the reason why these devs can run with shitty ports.

  • John Don Mclon Shlon Won Cron

    Yes, yes it does matter. I like my game play to be smooth, not be a stuttering blurred mess.

    Consoles standards are about 7 years too old for their time. Here on PC we actually have reasonable standards.

  • Johan du Preez

    Put a artificial fps cap to a game and a pirating we go yar!!! To think i was going to buy this. Not to mention all the texture popin that the id tech 5 engine does.

  • Brian Murphy

    “Assassin’s Creed Dev Says Industry Is Dropping 60fps

    While some fans lament over Assassin’s Creed Unity‘s 900p/30fps lock, Unity‘s World Level Design Director is taking the time to explain why 60fps is not only unnecessary, but also harmful to some video games. Nicolas Guérin believes the standard takes away from the cinematic experience, and sees the practice fading from the industry overall.

    “At Ubisoft for a long time we wanted to push 60 fps. I don’t think it was a good idea because you don’t gain that much from 60 fps and it doesn’t look like the real thing,” Guérin told TechRadar. ”It’s a bit like The Hobbit movie, it looked really weird.”

    “And in other games it’s the same – like the Rachet and Clank series [where it was dropped]. So I think collectively in the video game industry we’re dropping that standard because it’s hard to achieve, it’s twice as hard as 30fps, and its not really that great in terms of rendering quality of the picture and the image.”

    Assassin’s Creed Unity is likely to perform on an outstanding level either way, but it would certainly be something to see the industry as a whole overturn beliefs that 60fps is the long-awaited, bright future of development. We’ll wait and see whether 60fps becomes an unwarranted feature rather than standard quality expectation.”

    AND NO ONE SHOULD……CARE??!?? Welcome to Next…er, last…er…3 gens ago!

  • Buccomatic

    the only gamers in the world who like 30 fps and think that “frames don’t matter” are stevie wonder and captain retard.

    “30 fps = next gen” what a bunch of bullshit.

  • Diego Bórquez

    “Maybe it’s because I’m coming from more of a console background and we are more used to 30 fps in games…”

    Yes, you are. 30 fps has been YOUR standard for a long time, getting used to the smoothness of a controller and the good-enough feedback it gives you.

    Now I ask you: try to pull off a 360 in any shooter with a mouse at 30 fps. Does it look smooth? Do you see clearly? No! With a mouse you move faster than with a controller. So 60 fps IS required on PC.

    Stop trying to defend the bullshit arguments of Ubisoft and Ready at Dawn about the “Cinematic experience”
    FINE! 30 fps on your console. But locking the game on PC, that has far more horsepower and NEEDS the 60 fps experience, just makes this game an easy cashgrab, specially considering how poorly optimized it is!

    If YOU come from the console scene trying to give arguments about PC gaming, YOU should just stay out of the way and let the REAL PC gamers handle this.

    Gavin Mannion, with all due repect, shut up.

  • sneak

    nobody is avoiding this on principle, 30fps doesn’t “look awesome”. That’s why people strive to get higher fps and it’s why people spend money on quality gaming systems.

  • MASTER FUCKIN RACE

    If my rig can handle 60+ FPS then I want to play at 60+ FPS. I do not invest the money I do in my rig to play at fucking console limitations. It’s a matter of principle, but I am sure you grasp that..

  • db87

    This is MADNESS!!!

  • Kevin Moore

    Haven’t played the games but most horror games aren’t so much about puzzles and tactics as they are about emersion. There are puzzle games and tactics games but I think most horror enthusiasts count emersion as a big part of it. FPS is a big part of emersion.

  • TLee

    nope

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