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WandaVision confirms that Agents of SHIELD, Runaways, and Cloak & Dagger are not MCU canon

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SPOILER WARNING FOR WANDAVISION EPISODE 8 AND 9!

WandaVision is done! And no, it definitely did not play out like so many of us predicted. Instead of big universe-shaking bad guy reveals, we instead got some of the best character writing ever from Marvel as it dug into this gripping story of grief and loss, that was surprisingly touching for a show about a witch and her undead robot husband. Yes, it did set up events for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (which will see Elizabeth Olsen co-star) as it was revealed that Wanda Maximoff was the prophesied Scarlet Witch, a chaos magic-wielding being of pure creation even more powerful than the Sorcerer Supreme, but this show went about that reveal way more intimately than we could have ever predicted.

Officially, WandaVision also made history as the first Marvel Cinematic Universe TV series produced by Marvel Studios. Those last four words – “produced by Marvel Studios” – make a big difference though because the first Marvel Cinematic TV series overall was actually Agents of SHIELD… except now it’s not.

Created in 2013 by Joss Whedon, Jed Whedon, and Maurissa Tancharoen for the Disney-owned ABC, and produced by Jeph Loeb for the now defunct Marvel Television division, Agents of SHIELD spun directly out of the events of Whedon’s The Avengers blockbuster as it continued the story of a secretly resurrected Phil Coulson. Over the course of its first season we got cameos from Samuel L. Jacskon’s Nick Fury, Colbie Smulder’s Maria Hill, and Jaimie Alexander’s Sif. And when the big Hydra plot twist happened in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, the ramifications were felt right throughout the show. In fact, the direct fallout from that event would be the driving force for AOS’ meteoric rise in storytelling quality over the next few seasons. That would also lead to the Agent Carter series which tied directly into the historic roots of the MCU.

So yes, AOS was firmly entrenched in the movies of the MCU, but as widely publicized tensions escalated between Marvel Studios boss Kevin Feige and Ike Perlmutter, the infamously terrible Chairman of parent company Marvel Entertainment, the Marvel Television productions – which Perlmutter controlled directly – started to increasingly ignore the events of the movies and vice versa. Subsequent Marvel Television productions still linked to each other though.

Both shows heavily featured an item known as the Darkhold in key storylines. I’m not going to get into the in-depth backstory of the Darkhold right now (Darryn will do that later in a separate piece), but just know that it is an immensely powerful ancient tome penned by an Elder God that appears to be filled with blank pages. However, its text magically appears to the reader in whatever language they speak (even in binary code to an android), and can reveal the dark knowledge of the inner workings of the universe, including a whole lot of mystical powers. Unfortunately, it has the side effect of completely corrupting the minds of those who read it.

In AOS, the Darkhold showed up and was tied to the story of Ghost Rider aka Robbie Reyes, the nephew of the Satan-worshipping killer Eli Morrow who stumbles upon the Darkhold and uses its twisted powers to create chaos. The Darkhold would also be used by scientific genius Holden Radcliffe and his AI creation AIDA to create an alternate virtual world in which Hydra ruled. Eventually though, Ghost Rider would sacrifice himself to rid the world of the Darkhold by taking it to a hellish dimension (through a portal that looked identical to the ones cast by Doctor Strange and co, I might add).

Later though, the Darkhold would show up in Hulu’s The Runaways in the possession of sorceress Morgan le Fay who had escaped the Dark Dimension with it. And this would definitely be the same Darkhold from AOS as it boasted the same striking appearance – dark red cover with a stylized version of “Darkhold” embossed on it that can be read from forwards and backwards. Later in The Runaways, the Darkhold would also be used to inadvertently summon Cloak and Dagger, the titular characters from a different show based on the Marvel Comics characters. While The Runaways was a production on Hulu and Cloak and Dagger appeared on ABC’s Freeform service, it was reiterated multiple times that they both were set in the MCU proper and thus official canon.

However, in the final fews episode of WandaVision, after the fantastic reveal of Kathryn Hahn’s Agatha Harkness (It was Agatha all along!), the ancient witch is shown to be in possession of the Darkhold. And we know it’s Darkhold because she clearly names it as such… except, it looks nothing like the one we’ve seen before. It’s also heavily implied that Agatha has been in possession of the Darkhold for centuries – it’s seemingly the forbidden knowledge she stole and source of the “darkest of magic” she practiced that forced her coven and very own mother to turn on her in the 17th century.

But if this is a different Darkhold, and we know there’s only one of these things, that basically confirms that Marvel Studios is not considering anything that happened in AOS, The Runaways, and Cloak and Dagger as canon. We always suspected as much, especially in the case of AOS which sidestepped the decimating events of Avengers: Infinity War by instead having the characters create an alternate timeline. That had been the overall modus operandi up until this point as the Marvel movies and TV series just danced around each other, but this is the very first time that we’ve seen a blatantly direct contradiction like this.

While erasing the likes of The Runaways and Cloak and Dagger from MCU canon is actually pretty easy, things get very twisted with AOS, given how intricately linked its opening seasons were to the world of the movies. Trying to un-knot this pretzel of continuity is more than likely going to give you a migraine. So for now, I would say just roll with it and don’t think about it too hard. That is unless in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness we have Wanda, who now possesses and is studying the Darkhold, reveal that everything is still linked together… somehow.

Last Updated: March 8, 2021

69 Comments

  1. Caveshen Rajman

    March 8, 2021 at 04:40

    WandaVision’s ending was quite satisfying even if we didn’t get the world-shattering introduction of mutants like we all wanted.

    I think because of how Olsen and Bettany hard-carried the emotional weight of the show, and the themes of trauma, it was tough to then go, “Okay but mutants?”

    So overall, I did enjoy it and I respect that they want to keep such crazy stuff for something more people would consider spectacle, ie. a movie.

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    • Kit Ahern

      March 9, 2021 at 17:34

      I think people were just unable to manage their expectations after having gone so long without new MCU movie content.

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      • Trahloc

        March 14, 2021 at 12:56

        I just hope they don’t kill Dr Doom like they did Thanos. He’s a complex character, hell he deserves his own movie not be a foot note in someone else’s.

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        • Kit Ahern

          March 18, 2021 at 22:14

          Yesss. Give us some well-rounded villains that last for more than a movie or two.

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    • RinceThis

      March 10, 2021 at 04:10

      Except for that part where she is made out to be the victim, and has ‘sacrificed’ so much that no one will ever know…

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      • Larry

        March 12, 2021 at 17:03

        You are right. But the reason for not dealing with the emotional fallout was because COVID wrecked their filming. Its a shame that an IRL thing made The Scarlet Witch seem so cruel, but it is one of the least of things that COVID did.

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        • Trahloc

          March 14, 2021 at 12:53

          She could have turned herself in after restoring the town. Acknowledging that what she did wasn’t intentional, that it might have been a personal sacrifice, but that doesn’t absolve her of answering for her crimes.

          The only in universe excuse is she’s controlled by the Darkhold but there was never any indication she was going to answer to the law and then suddenly changed her mind upon possession. So claiming it’s a result of covid-19 is an excuse. It was bad writing, or worse, the bad ethics of Marvel where inhuman torture is excused because she’s so so very sorry.

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          • Axxell

            March 14, 2021 at 13:02

            Maybe this is how they set up the anti mutant sentiment in the MCU… make the resentment justifiable, especially when it’s mutants who can’t fully control their powers.

          • Larry

            March 21, 2021 at 12:21

            I don’t think its an excuse. It is a reason for the bad writing. They rushed the ending and screwed it up.

          • Sammy

            December 16, 2021 at 17:17

            Um, COVID would be a valid reason, and therefore not an excuse. But in the end, what is the law going to do? Punish her? First, how would they be able to punish someone who can rewrite reality on a whim? Second, what crime did Scarlet Witch even commit? Existing? Because that’s the thing… she didn’t willingly turn the town like that. She was a victim to her own abilities. For example, if you have a person who is perpetually on fire and they burn down a building on accident, do you arrest them for arson? No, you literally can’t. The person didn’t do anything other than exist. And if you try to kill them to stop their fire, that’s murder since they didn’t do anything to justify dying. This is a literal example from (iirc) a Spider-Man comic where Spidey told the police to fuck off for trying to arrest a guy who caused mass destruction because of his power he had no control over. It’s like arresting someone for daring to breathe..

          • Trahloc

            December 18, 2021 at 18:01

            what crime did Scarlet Witch even commit — Seriously? False imprisonment and torture at minimum. As for not willingly doing it. It became wilful once she had the power to free them and refused to do so. The fact she did so at a later date when her version of Vision basically forced her to do it does not make it better. She is not a god worshipped by the world where she can make her whims decrees. She continues to do everything she did to the town to Agatha, she is not judge jury and executioner.

            person who is perpetually on fire and they burn down a building on accident, do you arrest them for arson? — If they intentionally walk into a wooden building after knowing the damage they cause? absolutely 100% responsible for the action. You don’t get free reign to knowingly harm others. You don’t become absolved from assault just because you tell someone you’re going to punch the “air” where their face is and they refuse to move and so aren’t responsible for breaking their nose.

            Look up the difference between manslaughter and first degree. Just because something isn’t intentional doesn’t mean you get to skip Due Process. Spidey was in the wrong in your example, the guy should have still gone through the court system and Spidey should have been a witness defending him.

          • Sammy

            January 9, 2022 at 02:05

            First, she technically didn’t commit false imprisonment and torture. She didn’t have control over the situation until the very end, and even then it was a matter of trying to understand what the right thing was to do. Same with Agatha… because while Wanda may not be judge, jury, and executioner–you also have to agree that there was literally nothing the courts can do to dole out justice in the situation since she can rewrite reality freely to escape. Mens rea is a critical point for determining criminal liability.
            Also, as for the point on a burning man, no you don’t arrest them. You literally have no right to burn someone for simply existing. It’s not his fault he’s on fire. If he chose to be on fire, then certainly, but if it’s something he literally cannot control, that is targeted legislation intended to attack someone for an immutable characteristic. It literally would be no different at that point than arresting a person for not being white. Considering Marvel comics have constantly been allegories for minority issues and struggles (and in many cases outright depictions of them), it seems hilariously ironic that in this case you’re defending the position of the bigots of those comics.
            Actually, you need to look up the difference between manslaughter and murder. (First degree manslaughter is a thing, homie, so that distinction on your part was really fucking stupid. I fixed it for you.) First degree manslaughter literally requires intent to cause harm. All manslaughter and murder charges still require some degree of intent to harm others, either by a willful act or by willful negligence. The job of a prosecutor is literally to figure out first and foremost if the cases are sufficient for charges to be brought against a person. If the evidence is not strong enough, which in this case it almost certainly would not be since the issue was a result of her not being in control of her powers, then due process would let her go scot-free because she didn’t actually break any laws. As for Agatha being still trapped in her own mind, one would have to prove that is the case which… until we get confirmation of Jean Grey or Charles Xavier in the MCU, there’s no way to prove Scarlet Witch did anything there. You can’t just charge someone for a crime because you believe they are guilty. There still needs to be proper evidence.

          • Trahloc

            January 9, 2022 at 04:21

            She absolutely did those crimes, she may not have intended it consciously but she still did them. Difference between murder in the 1st and 2nd degree manslaughter. Society had a reasonable expectation she’d not lose control of her powers which is why it’s 2nd and not 3rd manslaughter (and yeah I know the difference between murder and manslaughter does not require an intent to kill someone, just the intent to hurt them or result of gross negligence to simple error). If she couldn’t control herself and chose to stay in society it’s no different than a drunk driver, aka 2nd degree, she knew the possibility of harm existed due to her actions and she did it anyways but she didn’t have a specific target so that’s why it’s 2nd and not 1st degree manslaughter.

            As for Agatha, I’m willing to accept that she was the only possible executioner, but she had no right to judge and jury. Agatha deserved due process. The fact no one might know to bring charges against Scarlet Witch doesn’t make her actions valid. Cop didn’t see it I didn’t do it isn’t an actual ethical stance.

  2. Original Heretic

    March 8, 2021 at 05:15

    This series is, IMO, sublime from start to finish.
    I just wish the Bohner had a better and more satisfying explanation.

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    • Hyperstorm

      March 8, 2021 at 06:33

      The whole series was one long, elaborate setup for a Bohner joke.

      What more explanation could there be?

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  3. Stefan Huddleston

    March 9, 2021 at 13:14

    What funny is that eveyone seems to be using the Darkhold’s appearance as evidence. I don’t care on way or the other about canon in this case. Thay said, when the book can make its text appear in the reader’s native language, why is no one considering that maybe more powerful magic users like Wanda and Agatha got to see the “true ” version of the tome while the folks on these show who only thought they were poweful got the “kiddie” version. The darn this is magical and seems to have a will of its own, after all. The “evidence” seems lacking in this case and there are far better arguments to discount these shows canon status.

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    • Kit Ahern

      March 9, 2021 at 17:30

      Yeah, I don’t get how people readily accept that its contents change to suit the reader, but not the cover.

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      • Axxell

        March 14, 2021 at 07:27

        Probably because the cover had never changed until Marvel Studios made their own version. Why would it change its cover design all of a sudden without explanation?

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        • zrbecker

          March 16, 2021 at 16:15

          Why would it need an explanation? The characters that are handling it are not the same ones that handled it in AOS, so there isn’t a reason for them to bring it up. Just because it hasn’t been explained and will likely never be explained doesn’t mean that it couldn’t be explained in the context of the universe.

          The Incredible Hulk is still considered canon, and no one has explained when Bruce Banner got his major cosmetic surgery, or how The Hulk didn’t emerge during his surgery, and smash the plastic surgeon.

          Unless Marvel comes out and says explicitly that AOS isn’t canon, it still is.

          AOS and the rest of the MCU has dealt explicitly with the multiverse at this point, I am not entirely convinced that anything that happens after the start of season 5 (and especially season 7) of AOS is happening within the same timeline as the movies, but it’s still reasonable that they are still connected within the same multiverse.

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          • Axxell

            March 18, 2021 at 03:34

            Seems like using the Hulk recasting is the go to argument to justify the MCU getting a completely different Darkhold to the Marvel TV shows, and I’m here to tell you it’s a pitiful argument. Really… You had to rely on a recast that was done for contract dispute to wave away a prop looking completely different in two separate productions?!? Are you telling me the Marvel TV Darkhold had creative differences with the producers and left? Did the Darkhold have a contract dispute with the showrunners, and they had to cast another book as the Darkhold?? Really??!!

            I mean, Vision doesn’t just show up as white in the next movie unexpectedly… if an artifact is gonna look completely different, they’re going to explain it to the audience. Clearly, they didn’t do that, because the previous one is irrelevant; had they truly wanted to confirm some sort of connectivity to the Marvel TV world as you insist they do, they’d have either kept it the same, or explained the change. They did neither, because they don’t care about AoS or Runaways.

          • Sammy

            June 2, 2021 at 12:09

            To be perfectly fair, I mean, that’s actually not that insane. Someone had to create the specific design of the Darkhold used in AoS & Co., so if they maintained their copyright over the specific design and left, it’s entirely possible that the usage rights went with them. It depends on the specific way the contracts were written. It’s also possible that they may have used software that wasn’t properly licensed to make the ambigram on the cover and due to a dispute lost the ability to use the prop for that reason.

          • Axxell

            October 29, 2021 at 23:36

            That’s such a hamfisted excuse… Seriously. It’d be lame even if the producers of WandaVision hadn’t admitted that they never once looked at the AoS Darkhold.

          • Sammy

            December 16, 2021 at 17:10

            When did the producers admit they’ve never looked at the AoS Darkhold? The quote I know has them say they never looked at it when designing the one for Wandavision. The same quote still implies it to be the same Darkhold anyways so it’s not like it matters.
            I gave my original answer to you in order to correct you when you claimed it’s unreasonable to say that it may have been a Hulk-recast reason. There’s reasonable ways it could have happened, and I gave you them. You being salty over being wrong is your problem, not mine. So keep the venom to yourself, k?
            I forgot how utterly childish you’re being over a television show prop freaking out in your previous response. Chill. It really isn’t that deep. It’s not a “ham-fisted excuse”. It’s an example of how you could be wrong. And in the end, you were wrong anyways because it’s not the MCU not caring about Runaways or AoS. It was one person in charge of a singular project not having watched AoS. And in the end, that still doesn’t make AoS non-canon. What makes AoS non-canon is the fact it’s been stated as such, but Agent Carter is canon so that’s a plus.

          • Axxell

            January 9, 2022 at 19:15

            When did the producers admit they’ve never looked at the AoS Darkhold? The quote I know has them say they never looked at it when designing the one for Wandavision.

            So you’re saying they saw it before… but still never cared to use it as reference for the design in WandaVision? That’s even more proof of my point. Your “reasonable” excuses make no sense because you compared completely different situations (ie, an actor against a prop), so you’ve FAR from proved me being wrong.

            If AoS was canon as you claim, Feige would certainly have been aware of the Darkhold’s appearance in AoS and either preserved the prop or ensured that it was rebuilt the same way as in AoS. No prop in the MCU has looked as different from one production to another, so there’s really no excuse for one to say that a Marvel Studios produce would just create a completely different artifact because he didn’t watch the original… AoS was just inconsequential to the MCU because it’s not acknowledged as being in the same universe.

        • Kit Ahern

          March 18, 2021 at 22:07

          Why wouldn’t it? It’s a magical book ffs.

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          • Axxell

            October 29, 2021 at 23:40

            Mjolnir is also magical in the MCU, and it always looked essentially the same…

          • Sammy

            December 16, 2021 at 16:54

            Mjolnir is “magical” in that it was made and enchanted in a certain way to do a specific thing: throw lightning and return to sender when thrown. The Darkhold is literally reality-warping. They are not the same. That’s like thinking that nuggies is comparable to a rotisserie made by Gordon Ramsay himself all because they’re both chicken. I mean, yeah, they’re magical (both Mjolnir and the Darkhold as well as nuggies and food made by Ramsay), but the magic is completely different in nature.

          • Axxell

            January 9, 2022 at 19:34

            I’m not the one who said that being magical should allow it to look different… not a single appearance in Marvel TV did their version actually look different. “Magic” is just a poor, lazy excuse to make a connection that doesn’t exist.

    • Tav-El

      March 10, 2021 at 18:43

      Very click-baity. This article doesn’t have to be right in the end. They’ve already made their money from us. That being said, none of the pre-WandaVision shows are canon. This was made quite clear when AoS acknowledged that Thanos was coming, and then never brought it up again. Half the cast should have been let go between seasons. The other series don’t so much as mention the snapture, so while the Darkhold argument is extremely weak, it’s also unnecessary after all this other proof.

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  4. RinceThis

    March 10, 2021 at 03:23

    Confirms? I’d hardly say that is confirmation bruv. It’s theory. Wait till the studio ‘confirms’ it.

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    • Axxell

      March 14, 2021 at 12:29

      I feel like at this point Feige is trying to subtly whack people in the head with the idea that the MCU is separate from the Marvel TV shows; I mean, you really have to go out of your way to make the Darkhold look completely different.

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  5. John Jones

    March 10, 2021 at 17:59

    So a magic book that looks different to every reader looks different and people are surprised?

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    • Axxell

      March 14, 2021 at 12:31

      It’s looked the same in every Marvel TV production… suddenly it looks completely different when it’s a Marvel Studios series…

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  6. Trent Troop

    March 10, 2021 at 18:40

    Why do you assume there’s only one copy of the Darkhold? The Bible, the Dictionary, the Necronomicon, the Malleus Maleficarum… having the word “the’ in front of a book title doesn’t mean its the only copy in existence.

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    • Axxell

      March 14, 2021 at 12:25

      In the world of Marvel, the Darkhold is an artifact with specific properties; it’s not just a “book” that you print multiple copies of. Unless you’re crossing realities, there’s only one Darkhold, and if you’re gonna say these are from two different realities, then you’re helping the argument that Marvel TV is not canon to the MCU.

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  7. thepuffytaco

    March 10, 2021 at 20:20

    “Iron Man 2 confirms that Iron Man 1 is not cannon as James Rhodes is different”.

    Same energy.

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    • Axxell

      March 14, 2021 at 07:41

      Assuming that recasting a role is the same as changing the look of a prop?

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      • Kit Ahern

        March 18, 2021 at 22:14

        How about changing a character’s appearance like Thanos or Wanda’s hair?

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        • Axxell

          October 29, 2021 at 23:46

          Again, a recasting is not a creative decision. The differences in appearance of Thanos and Wanda through the MCU have never been as massive as the difference between MCU Darkhold and Marvel TV Darkhold.

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  8. Insomnia is fun

    March 11, 2021 at 05:59

    Agents of SHIELD was shit any way. Who cares?

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    • Jesualdo Umbas

      March 11, 2021 at 08:44

      Not really…
      Not a perfect spin-off, not so amazing, but also not as crap as you describe…
      And, lots lots of people and fans really care…

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      • Insomnia is fun

        March 11, 2021 at 09:31

        This series was riding on the success of the movies, never saw the appeal of drooling over something inferior

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    • Axxell

      March 14, 2021 at 12:55

      I submit that Agents of SHIELD was only great when it did it’s own stories and didn’t try to force a connection to the MCU.

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    • Axxell

      March 14, 2021 at 12:55

      I submit that Agents of SHIELD was only great when it did it’s own stories and didn’t try to force a connection to the MCU.

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      • Insomnia is fun

        March 14, 2021 at 13:20

        I can concede to that

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  9. Manny Rodriguez

    March 11, 2021 at 11:36

    There is absolutely no evidence or confirmation within the show that Agents of SHIELD and Runaways isn’t canon. We don’t know enough about the Darkhold to make that call yet. You need more than appearance changes to get me on board with that. It’s a magic book, how do we know that the book itself isn’t alive in some way or controlled by forces we haven’t met yet? How do we know the book can’t change its own appearance? So many explanations and not enough evidence. We got James D’arcy as Jarvis in Avengers Endgame, wasn’t that proof that at least one of those shows are canon? And Peggy Carter shows up in flashbacks during AOS, so how do we explain that? I’m sorry but there isn’t enough to go on to say for sure that these shows aren’t canon. And Kevin Feige has never once said these shows aren’t canon. In fact he never outright answers the question or directly responds to it. He dances around the topic constantly, which is kinda frustrating I’ll admit. But there has been no official word by Marvel to say these shows don’t connect. We need more tangible proof than an appearance change of a magical book.

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    • Axxell

      March 14, 2021 at 12:48

      There may be contractual and business reasons why he can’t outright say the Marvel TV shows are NOT canon… but he did outright say that the Disney+ shows would be the first to interconnect with the MCU… why would Feige “dance around the question” of Marvel TV’s canonicity if he had accepted it?

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      • Manny Rodriguez

        May 22, 2021 at 17:43

        He never accepted anything, Disney + are shows directly connected to MCU, we don’t know if the former Marvel Television is still canon or not. I don’t think this is hard to grasp.

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        • Axxell

          January 9, 2022 at 19:39

          He never accepted anything, Disney + are shows directly connected to MCU

          I agree.

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    • Axxell

      March 14, 2021 at 12:48

      There may be contractual and business reasons why he can’t outright say the Marvel TV shows are NOT canon… but he did outright say that the Disney+ shows would be the first to interconnect with the MCU… why would Feige “dance around the question” of Marvel TV’s canonicity if he had accepted it?

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  10. john doe

    March 12, 2021 at 16:08

    After reading the directors response that they really didnt intend to set up any real last events and that besides only a handful of easter eggs, theres no tie in to anything. Its a huge let down, and makes nearly two decades worth of MCU feel like wasted energy. Theres no reason to even think anything ties into dr strange anymore, as the fake outs in order to bully comic fans by showing them how much time they waste reading marvel comics just kind of burned us out while the normies who never cared think this craps ending is some sort of epic poetry. Its not, its garbage that waste huge world building potential while setting fire to all the other MCU properties. Falcons and ws is probably going to be equal parts garbage and fake outs while they rush to meet a deadline.

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  11. Chastity Garza

    March 13, 2021 at 04:53

    Maybe it’s part of a group of darkholds of maybe 4 that could cause major catastrophic events to happen and are keys to something bigger.. So many new marvel shows ahead. These people have proven to us that their is an infinite amount of information that is yet to be told. We probably have no idea whats ahead. I believe they are partly factual from stuff that has been kept from us and the reveal is on.

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    • Axxell

      March 14, 2021 at 12:53

      There’s literally 0 evidence of this theory.

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  12. Mahjudd

    March 14, 2021 at 13:20

    Who cares. Dweebs

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  13. Matthew Young

    March 14, 2021 at 22:40

    You can’t let Wanda Vision’s continuity erase something else, because quite frankly…they did a shit job of it. How did Marcy know exactly what happened in the final battle of End Game? Why is an FBI agent who was all too eager to see Ant Man punished for violating the Sacovia accords willing to put his career on the line for a woman whose profile reads “former member ofNazi organization Hydra, temporary Avenger present during Consulate explosion, fugitive from justice after escaping custody,CURRENTLY ENSLAVING 3,000 PEOPLE LIVING IN TORMENT WITH NO FREE WILL OR AGENCY. Sure. Yea. Let’s disobey direct orders and help HER.

    The Darkhold wasn’t proof that previous series aren’t cannon. It’s just further evidence that this site was very poorly written.

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    • Axxell

      March 18, 2021 at 03:54

      You can’t erase something that never existed in your universe… AoS and Marvel TV will exist in their own little corner separate from the MCU; as far as the latter is concerned, AoS never happened in their reality.

      In the case of your other questions, A) Marcy is established as having access to high level government files, I’m sure what happened in Endgame is well documented. considering it happened in the open, and B) yes, Woo was chasing Ant Man for violating the terms of his house arrest… a lot has happened since then; it’s entirely possible he became more sympathetic to the Avengers after what they did to save the universe, enough to give Wanda the benefit of the doubt. Yes, what she did to Westview residents was dubious —jury’s still out considering she was scarcely conscious of what was happening; gonna have to get used to the fact that these heroes aren’t perfect. Life isn’t all black-and-white.

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    • Axxell

      March 18, 2021 at 03:54

      You can’t erase something that never existed in your universe… AoS and Marvel TV will exist in their own little corner separate from the MCU; as far as the latter is concerned, AoS never happened in their reality.

      In the case of your other questions, A) Marcy is established as having access to high level government files, I’m sure what happened in Endgame is well documented. considering it happened in the open, and B) yes, Woo was chasing Ant Man for violating the terms of his house arrest… a lot has happened since then; it’s entirely possible he became more sympathetic to the Avengers after what they did to save the universe, enough to give Wanda the benefit of the doubt. Yes, what she did to Westview residents was dubious —jury’s still out considering she was scarcely conscious of what was happening; gonna have to get used to the fact that these heroes aren’t perfect. Life isn’t all black-and-white.

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  14. corwin zelazney

    May 2, 2021 at 02:48

    Lol! You’re basing your theory on the Darkhold looking different?!

    Yeah, literally everything else is telling us they’re all canon – but this magic book, that actually changes the appearance of it’s language and drawings and art, depending on who’s looking at it – looks different and so none of those other things matter.

    Good lord. Don’t quit your day job.

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    • Axxell

      January 9, 2022 at 19:44

      First off, none of the Marvel Studios productions have ever been “telling us they’re [the Marvel TV shows] all canon”.

      And barring an actual explanation for why it suddenly looks different (since it never actually changed appearance in Marvel TV), it’s just further proof that AoS has no direct ties to the Earth-199999 universe.

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