AdrianChmielarz

The former creative director of People Can Fly, Adrian Chmielarz, has caused a twitter firestorm to erupt after posting tweets claiming that the PlayStation 4 is 50% more powerful than the Xbox One.

What’s even stranger is that the tweet isn’t in response to a question or a line of thinking in a discussion, he just appears to think it would be a good idea to tell everyone what he’s been told

 

Obviously this started a huge online discussion that made its way to Neogaf where Adrian felt he needed to clarify his comments.

Here I am. So…

1. I am not doing a damage control, but I do want to clarify one thing. But first, yes, devs I know — and as someone has shown it before in this thread, some other devs already talked about it too — claim that there’s 50% speed difference WHEN DEVELOPING in cross-gen/next-gen PS4/XO games. So there we are, I said it and I stand by it. Notice: WHEN DEVELOPING. It’ll become clear in a second.

2. Will this change in the future? WIll devs discover some tricks to narrow the gap? Will stuff like XO cloud computing help? Hell if I know. Uhm, maybe? I know that devs — well, most of them — will do whatever they can do get you the best games possible. You’re going to see a lot of multiplatform games this next gen, just as you’ve seen them in this gen, so it’s in studios’ best interest that there’s no clear advantage in one version over the other.

3. Does it mean studios will cripple PS4 versions to match XO ones? Not really, do not underestimate the devs. Even if this happens, you will not know that and that’s okay. You’ve never seen most games in their most powerful form anyway (when we work on them on our ninja dev PCs in 1080p 120fps with all the antialiasings and stuff turned on for shits and giggles). But most of the time devs have a target and they meet this target. If it’s a multiplatform game, it’s designed with this in mind from the start. So maybe it’s not maxing out one console while going 100% on the other. Maybe it’s 100% on both, but they take extra time for super-extra optimizations on the weaker hardware to make sure things look the same as on the more powerful platform. Etc. etc.

4. So what is that “one thing” I want to clarify, that some people may consider “damage control”, but really is just an explanation. Someone mentioned Titanfall, which looks money and enjoys a great hype. Exactly. A great dev will make a great game no matter what’s the hardware. Current gen CoDs looks great and it’s 60 fps, on both platforms (well, and PC :). To most devs that is just impossible to achieve. And yet…

Think about it this way. X360 is faster than PS3. Not just easier to program on, it’s faster overall (although PS is faster/better in SOME areas). And yet no exclusive on X360 looks like The Last of Us. Halo 4 looks great. Gears blew my mind in 2006. And still, the best looking AAA game of this generation belongs to the supposedly weaker platform.

So if you think that the war is over because PS4 is 50% faster TODAY, then you’re delusional. This is far from over, and will probably never be over, at least not this upcoming gen.

So it’s taken some time to really get meaty but the next generation battle really kicks into life now.

I was thinking over the weekend that we used to always post comparison videos and screenshots between the Xbox 360 and PS3 and it was a lot of fun before the consoles started matching each other and the comparisons became null and void.

But starting from the first week in November expect those comparisons to be back and sitting here right now I have no idea how they are going to look. If the PS4 is 50% more powerful and easy to code for then it could quite easily steal the limelight from day one.

Last Updated: September 9, 2013

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was reviewed on PC

102 Comments

  1. Hillbillly Gamer

    September 9, 2013 at 07:58

    About same as my PC of 4 years and can still upgrade when need.

    (Hide woman en children the trash talk about to begin) :X

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    • Admiral Chief of Rivia

      September 9, 2013 at 08:00

      LOL, but you have a point, which I agree with

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    • Umar Final Fantasy 15 Hopeful

      September 9, 2013 at 08:05

      PC is a powerful platform for gaming, we all know that, the most powerful. Is there anything new you can tell us perhaps? As soon as there is some news about the power of a console, we hear the same arguments about PC. You guys have a powerful platform and Steam, great stuff….

      Reply

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        September 9, 2013 at 08:06

        Someone needs a hug 😉

        Reply

        • Umar Final Fantasy 15 Hopeful

          September 9, 2013 at 08:10

          Sorry, I seem a bit dickish … not my intention. Sorry Master Race

          Reply

          • Admiral Chief of Rivia

            September 9, 2013 at 08:11

            Being obvious, and apologetic???

            WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU OVER THE WEEKEND???

          • Umar Final Fantasy 15 Hopeful

            September 9, 2013 at 08:14

            I took a hard look at myself in the mirror and I saw a zit….the zit made me realize….many things…about the universe

          • Admiral Chief of Rivia

            September 9, 2013 at 08:16

            That its filled with yellow crap?

          • Umar Final Fantasy 15 Hopeful

            September 9, 2013 at 08:19

            Yes…the universe..is one big ball of yellow crap.Monday is just a subset of this yellow stuff. Once the yellow stuff is gone, there is just one big gaping hole….that repulses all the pretty girls

          • Admiral Chief of Rivia

            September 9, 2013 at 08:24

            O_O

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            September 9, 2013 at 08:29

            Okay I sense some unhappiness. Us manly men may not be into hugs & feelings & stuff, but have a bro-tastic fist bump instead.

          • Umar Final Fantasy 15 Hopeful

            September 9, 2013 at 08:29

            LOL no unhappiness, just bad case of mondays 🙁

          • TiMsTeR1033

            September 9, 2013 at 08:57

            if it was monday the 16th would be a different day all together!

          • ElNicko

            September 9, 2013 at 09:26

            but thats still so far away……a week is too long to wait.

          • RinceThisandFINALLYlvUP!

            September 9, 2013 at 08:34

            0-O What happened to you?!

          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            September 9, 2013 at 08:14

            Eh no worries, it’s Monday morning, apologies are only requested from 10am onwards. 😀

          • Sageville

            September 9, 2013 at 10:06

            i.e. after coffee

      • Hammersteyn

        September 9, 2013 at 08:30

        I keep forgetting how much more awesome the PC is from time to time. Fortunately every time LG posts and article about consoles there has to be someone to remind us that consoles aren’t worth a shit.

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        • FoxHoundR - NO LONGER TROLLING

          September 9, 2013 at 09:22

          Pc gamers are just jealous they say they have more power but their games are bad console ports.

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          • Rags

            September 9, 2013 at 09:48

            Bad console games*.

          • Johan du Preez

            May 21, 2014 at 14:46

            *Cough* Star Citizen … lol enjoy your 720p gaming 🙂 Atleast PC’s can run the console ports at 1080p even if its badly optimized …

            The consoles cant even run a game optimized for it at 1080p ….

      • Kromas

        September 9, 2013 at 11:26

        This statement is really a moot point right now. You have a next gen console? No you don’t I am sorry to say. What you have there is a neatly packaged pc that uses a tv for a screen. It has been pointed out several times so far from E3 to PAX Prime and the consensus is that the console is in its last generation of being called a console.

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    • Hammersteyn

      September 9, 2013 at 08:14

      So I played Diablo 3 on my PS3 this weekend. Absolute bliss! Truly deserved the 9.5 Gavin gave it. Now to see how awesome GTAV turns out this month.
      http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aAYw9Ag_460sa.gif

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      • SaintsRowLee

        September 9, 2013 at 08:22

        Alas, us poor console lepers does not have that extra “shine” in our games…

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        • Mark Treloar

          September 9, 2013 at 10:27

          or the superior control system

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          • SaintsRowLee

            September 9, 2013 at 11:27

            The only thing “Superior” about the PC right now is the Sims 3 and all its expansions. For everything else, there’s Xbox. Thank you very much…

          • Mark Treloar

            September 9, 2013 at 14:30

            Except the creators of Titanfall canceled cross platform play because they didn’t want to give PC and unfair advantage due to the control system.

          • SaintsRowLee

            September 9, 2013 at 14:56

            Okay. You got better controls. go team pc. Woo-Hoo! Oh wait… I don’t care…

          • Johan du Preez

            May 21, 2014 at 15:03

            Its ok we still accept you even if you are using a inferior system …

      • FoxHoundR - NO LONGER TROLLING

        September 9, 2013 at 09:21

        xbox version is the best

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      • Sageville

        September 9, 2013 at 09:51

        Yeah I’m sure the Master Race will be fist pumping about how brilliant GTA V will be on the PC…..

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        • Hammersteyn

          September 9, 2013 at 10:04

          It will be 10 times better on the PC, when released in two years time or so.

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          • Sageville

            September 9, 2013 at 10:07

            So rub it in until then?

      • Darren Peach

        September 9, 2013 at 11:17

        Agreed. After the Disaster that was the PC launch ( Always Online crap, I still played through it twice with the high ping and rubber banding ) Playing it on my PS3 over the last few days was bliss. Now I can finally indulge in those long crawls for Item drops ( 100 percent geek).

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        • Hammersteyn

          September 9, 2013 at 11:24

          Went to bed at 2:00. Cant get enough!

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    • FoxHoundR - NO LONGER TROLLING

      September 9, 2013 at 09:20

      but pc games usck

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      • Mark Treloar

        September 9, 2013 at 10:25

        Considering all games start on the PC before they even make it to the console. All you just said is “all games suck”

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        • Weanerdog

          September 9, 2013 at 10:42

          No he said all games usck, but as I don’t speak hound I have no idea what that means.

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    • Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

      September 9, 2013 at 09:59

      lol PC gamers are like a certain segment of folks in the gym. You know the guys who stand in front of the mirrors with the weights and every once in a while you’ll hear one of them say “Ya bru and check out my pecs and my gluts”.

      In their mind, they’re the bees knees, in reality… no one gives a damn.

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      • Weanerdog

        September 9, 2013 at 10:43

        Who is this other Gym you speak of? And why are you checking out his gluts?

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        • Jim Lenoir (Banana Jim)

          September 9, 2013 at 10:50

          Twerking!!

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          • Weanerdog

            September 9, 2013 at 10:59

            0_o Well whatever floats your banana I suppose

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        September 9, 2013 at 11:14

        We have to klap it in the gym to be able to carry those heavy tower cases around boet!

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      • Johan du Preez

        May 21, 2014 at 15:06

        Are you sure that wasnt his banana that you were checking out … ?

        Reply

  2. Brenz

    September 9, 2013 at 08:05

    50% more awesome

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  3. Alien Emperor Trevor

    September 9, 2013 at 08:09

    Okay fine, I’ll do it: It’s not the size that counts, it’s how you use it.

    Reply

    • Jonah Cash

      September 9, 2013 at 08:31

      Is that what she said first time she saw it? (Ok fine I will do it….) Hahahaha….
      Monday’s am right???

      Reply

      • Alien Emperor Trevor

        September 9, 2013 at 08:34

        Well yes, but I suppose it didn’t help that the first time she saw it was on Google Earth. wait… what are we talking about? :/

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        • TiMsTeR1033

          September 9, 2013 at 08:56

          nice save!

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        • Brady miaau

          September 9, 2013 at 09:04

          School in Australia.

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          • Alien Emperor Trevor

            September 9, 2013 at 09:16

            NSFW because it’s Australian? 😉

            Edit: That pic made me lol.

    • Brady miaau

      September 9, 2013 at 09:05

      Too true, when looking at the next gen hardware,

      Reply

  4. No Longer SIR Twakkus

    September 9, 2013 at 08:14

    Silly silly twitter’sians… think before you tweet.

    Reply

  5. Martin du preez

    September 9, 2013 at 08:17

    But we’re forgetting about the Xbones hidden CLOUD POWAH!

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    • Uberutang

      September 9, 2013 at 08:19

      We joke, but if MS rolls out Azure to SA it will change gaming overhere on the console front, forever. The ability to spawn a dedicated local server is going to be massive for mp games.

      Forza5 confirmed that they have 24 player lobbies, with dedicated servers. If that servers are within 150ms ping… GOLD. If not… eish…

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      • Martin du preez

        September 9, 2013 at 08:21

        Like they’re rolling out the Xbone in S.A?
        Like they rolled out local XBL?

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        • Uberutang

          September 9, 2013 at 08:23

          LOL yeah, we will have to see….

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      • Darren Peach

        September 9, 2013 at 11:33

        150ms ping is slow by international standards.

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        • Uberutang

          September 9, 2013 at 11:39

          True, but playable.

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          • Darren Peach

            September 9, 2013 at 13:43

            Depends on what you are playing…

          • Uberutang

            September 9, 2013 at 13:48

            Well, shooters mostly and RPG’s, RTS games. They all work just fine with 150ms or less ping. Even BF on consoles worked ok at that. Not ideal, but you can still play and have fun. Racing games might be a different story.

            Playing some COD on servers (PC) and not sure if local or not, but even that runs just fine. Arma3 and AA PG works fine up to about 300ms even!

          • Darren Peach

            September 9, 2013 at 13:50

            Yeah, But it sucks that we have to compromise all the friggen time. No real fast bandwidth unless you have tom.

          • Uberutang

            September 9, 2013 at 13:54

            Very true. Seeing 9ms ping is always awesome, but SA being such a tiny market … what can we do? We are lucky to get PC game servers, nevermind console stuff.

  6. Umar Final Fantasy 15 Hopeful

    September 9, 2013 at 08:27

    As a side note Sony is apparently announcing something big today … The Last Guardian ???

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  7. RinceThisandFINALLYlvUP!

    September 9, 2013 at 08:33

    “Think about it this way. X360 is faster than PS3.” Eh?

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    • Uberutang

      September 9, 2013 at 08:45

      Yes and no.

      Faster GPU, slower overall CPU, more accessible memory.

      Most of this wont matter anyway, crossplatform scales everything down to the lowest spec system/ 🙁

      Reply

      • TiMsTeR1033

        September 9, 2013 at 08:53

        which is bullshit! okay its not fair for xbox one owners to be all “why cant it look as good as ps4 does!?!” but at the same time why should ps4 owners get a less impressive experience because xbox one cant keep up? I say fine make the games the same but with some exclusives blow the other right out the water!! show em what your muscle can do!!!

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        • Uberutang

          September 9, 2013 at 08:56

          LOL that is what the exclusives are for 😛

          As I PC gamer I feel the pain of cross platform ports more that any console player ever will!

          Sitting on hardware that is many x more ‘powerful’ than the next gen consoles, yet very few games really use that raw horsepower ‘correctly’.

          I think people in SA are lucky though. They can get the PS4 day1, wait a year and see what MS does with the xbox locally.

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          • TiMsTeR1033

            September 9, 2013 at 09:01

            which is why I left the master race so so long ago, Its just easier being a console gamer. No seetings to play with just pop in and play! (well install first too now but still)

  8. Beaker Brain

    September 9, 2013 at 08:47

    The war is over.

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    • Brady miaau

      September 9, 2013 at 09:08

      What war? What battles?

      Reply

      • Beaker Brain

        September 9, 2013 at 09:13

        Beta vs VHS.

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        • Brady miaau

          September 9, 2013 at 09:51

          Awesome!

          I had a betamax…..

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          • Beaker Brain

            September 9, 2013 at 09:57

            lol I was just googling the Beta to see how much it looks like the ONE when I stumbled onto my first videogame device.

            Who remembers this?

          • Weanerdog

            September 9, 2013 at 10:47

            I had the blue one.

            Edit: just realised it was not my first game device, now I feel old 🙁

          • Beaker Brain

            September 9, 2013 at 10:50

            Oldschool. I remember getting 6 of the best because I was found playing it under the desk during prep.

            Good old nostalgia from the 80s.

          • Sageville

            September 9, 2013 at 11:01

            I had the blue one too!!

            it was some spaceship flying down a tunnel game, but then I left it in the sun and all the graphics where then perma-visible.

          • Weanerdog

            September 9, 2013 at 11:19

            Yip, a rip off of the run on the death star. The red one I think was Tron tanks and there was a white racing one, if my aged memory serves.

  9. FoxOneZA - X-Therminator

    September 9, 2013 at 08:53

    Devs shouldn’t get involved in console wars. The Xbox 360 is massively underpowered compared to the PS3 but look at how that turned out to be? Most of the so-called net-gen games are just running DX11 optimisations.

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  10. Brady miaau

    September 9, 2013 at 09:08

    I find no real substance to the initial statements made by the honoured Gentleman, Adrian.

    Who are the sources? Sony owned Development houses?

    He is correct (my opinion) when he says this is far from over and that game studios almost need the consoles to be of similar performance.

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  11. FoxHoundR - NO LONGER TROLLING

    September 9, 2013 at 09:16

    xbox one is more powerful.

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    • Sageville

      September 9, 2013 at 10:04

      So, you read the Article header, rejected that reality and substituted it with your own.

      Your head must be full of magics.

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  12. RogerWilcoZA

    September 9, 2013 at 09:29

    I don’t know about the speed difference, but I do know the PS4 is 20% cheaper

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    • Sageville

      September 9, 2013 at 10:05

      See, now that’s a stat that you can’t argue with right there.

      Reply

    • Weanerdog

      September 9, 2013 at 10:51

      That’s assuming that you are not forced by game developers to buy the move peripheral.

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      • RogerWilcoZA

        September 9, 2013 at 10:56

        As opposed to being forced to buy the kinect with the console, regardless of whether the game uses it or not? If a killer app comes out for it then I’ll buy it for sure, but at least I have that choice

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        • Weanerdog

          September 9, 2013 at 11:08

          I am not disputing that now PS4 is cheaper but it could be that the price is a moot point if game developers force the Move onto you, it is of course purely speculation but if one game developer can get to incorporate good core move/kinect mechanics into their game then they are all going to do it even if just for a “phase” period.

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          • RogerWilcoZA

            September 9, 2013 at 11:37

            Dude that will never happen. 99% of games are primarily designed for a gamepad, and if a game is Move only or Kinect only, then I just wont buy it.

            I have yet to even see a game on the current consoles where I was like “Damn I just have to buy a Kinect or Move now!”. Seriously, look at this list of exclusively motion control required games and tell me which one is a killer app:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_Move_games
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kinect_games

            Unless you’re into dancing games (not judging), look at those review scores for the Kinect exclusives! worthless

          • Weanerdog

            September 9, 2013 at 14:16

            I am just pointing out that we do not know what the next gen is going to offer and Microsoft’s PR bull stated that the reason for including the Kinect is so that devs could use it at will as it would be there on every X0. I am refer to for example dodging while using the gamepad for the normal movement but dodging left and right as you sit moves your torso in game. Now get that to work and throw it in to COD or battlefield. Suddenly if you want to play the biggest seller of the year you need a PSMove. I am not referring to casual Kinect games as you get them now.

          • RogerWilcoZA

            September 9, 2013 at 18:20

            I hear what you’re saying, I just dont think a developer on those triple AAA titles would be so dumb as to make it mandatory to use a kinect or move for their game, unless the entire market has one. Being able to lean left and right in a FPS is cool but not vital to the gameplay.

            That said, I predict the Oculus Rift will be a huge game changer when it comes out. It will probably pair with the Kinect or Sony Move for body tracking and when that happens, pfffffft. take my cash gladly

            Check this out:

  13. silverscorpio

    September 9, 2013 at 09:33

    I think graphically they are the same but the PS4 will be faster. At the end of the day it does not matter because devs will always program for the slowest of the 2 so therefore it will not matter much. In essence they are the same and performance will be the same.

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    • FoxHoundR - Xbox One has won

      September 9, 2013 at 09:39

      xbox one is more powerful than ps4

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      • Weanerdog

        September 9, 2013 at 10:55

        Dear foxhound you have unfortunately once again failed basic comprehension, what you read was that you need more power to throw a X0 as it has a greater mass.

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  14. Stanley Watson

    September 9, 2013 at 09:44

    Kinda sad at the realisation that devs won’t make crossplatform games decisively superior on either platform. It makes marketing sense. But…

    If the exclusives on the PS4 completely blow the X1 exclusives out of the water (RE graphics, speed, etc.) because of this supposed 50% more power, that might change a critical mass of consumers’ opinion in such a big way that devs are forced to not water down the PS4 multiplatform games as much…

    I am probably talking schit.

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  15. PS4

    September 9, 2013 at 10:54

    http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/game/3452022/xbox-one-vs-xbox-comparison-review/
    no one has mentioned that the ps4 GPU is where this 50% is coming from.

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    • Nicolas Lonneye Hicks

      September 12, 2013 at 01:54

      The GPU is the most important part. It take a ridiculously gimped CPU to bottle neck a GPU nowadays. Moreover, nearly all games are heavily GPU dependent now. Creating a games that has heavy CPU usage is a recipe for mediocre graphics on mid range hardware, PC or otherwise. Also the PS4 and xbox both have APU’s. AMD APU’s are greatly effected by ram speeds. You can compare diff speeds on youtube.

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  16. Axon1988

    September 9, 2013 at 11:55

    So what if we do this:
    1. Take a Chassis & pc hardware that’s the same as these consoles.
    (Keeping in mind that we cannot mold a PC’s hardware to it’s enclosure – so it might be bigger)
    2. Run some solid benches.
    3. Compare the final results.

    Some things that we should maybe keep in mind is power consumption? Don’t install a 1KW psu, but rather the smallest one you can for the hardware you are using.

    I’d love to see those results. Can anyone enlighten me?

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  17. Kenny G

    September 9, 2013 at 12:14

    Might be because the PS4 is not thinking as much as the Xbox one. All that TV integration could be the reason.

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  18. justerthought

    September 9, 2013 at 12:14

    Who the hell is this guy. He initially made a valid comment about what he had heard. That’s fair enough. But then he gets cold feet and rolls back with the biggest load of bull crap I’ve ever heard. He’s talking utter rubbish.

    (1) The reason why The Last Of Us was the best looking game this gen was because the PS3 is the most powerful console on paper. Sony’s decision to create its own 1st party studios enabled a way for them to guarantee full utilisation of the PS3 power, instead of relying on third parties who felt it was not financially viable to fully optimise CELL. Uncharted is another good example. Of course the PS3 has RAM issues that create severe data bottlenecks, but Naught Dogs games are not open world so they can get around that by splitting the game into small sections.

    (2) PS4 is definitely more powerful on paper and because the architecture is easy to programme and well designed, unlike PS3, that power will be easily reflected in the games, even from 3rd parties if they choose to do so. Open world games will run perfectly on PS4 due to the fast GDDR5 RAM.

    (3) Yes devs will learn to optimise the XB1 as time goes on, but the same is true of the PS4, so the disparity will remain. XB1 will struggle with open world games due to it having zero GDDR5 RAM for the GPU to access. It will struggle to load the DDR3 RAM fast enough with streaming content.

    (4) Yes 3rd party multiplat devs will try to make both ports equal to avoid customer complaints, so PS4 ports will be gimped to match XB1. But as mentioned above, Sony have wisely got their 1st party studios to push the PS4 to its full potential. This will create a huge disparity in quality, much larger than the current gen, and may create a consumer backlash against 3rd party devs in order to force them to stop gimping the PS4 multiplat ports.

    (5) And finally he insults our intelligence by moving the goal posts, claiming that when he stated PS4 was 50% faster, he meant it was 50% faster to develop for. That will be true as well due to devs having to code for the eSRAM and cloud processing, but no way did he mean that. Otherwise he would have had stated so. We all know that if you just mention speed alone it is assumed you’re talking about performance unless the topic is focussed in a particular direction. It’s the sort of lame excuse you expect from an immature schoolboy.

    Conclusion: If you do not have the dignity to stand by your original comment and resort to a lie, you end up digging yourself into a bigger hole.

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    • Stanley Watson

      September 9, 2013 at 12:42

      Exactly my thoughts with point 4; you are just more eloquent

      Reply

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